I mean, yeah. It'd be nice to see old boy get some mainstream love again. Snyder Cut seemed to get largely positive reception. We'll see how Superman and Lois goes.
I don't pay enough attention then.
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COMICS!!! |OT| March 2021 | This seems like a colossal waste of time, money, and space.
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Looks pretty good. Nothing like the last Suicide Squad. Hell, it doesnt even look like a comic book movie until you see the dumb costumes and Harley Quinn lol.
They were saying the BTS video they put out awhile back that its like a 70s war movie. Which looks like exactly what they are going for with this trailer.
The biggest problem with Superman IMO is not with the character, but with the writers. No one has really done anything ground breaking with the character thats going to stand out enough that even non-comic book readers will hear about it. Like the last big thing to happen with him was his death and return lol.
Morrison did some amazing work on All Star Superman, but nothing really happened in there thats going to change the way normal people look at the character.
This also translates to the movies and shows, where hes not handled much better lol
Morrison did some amazing work on All Star Superman, but nothing really happened in there thats going to change the way normal people look at the character.
This also translates to the movies and shows, where hes not handled much better lol
I just remembered that I read 49 volumes (+ one over-sized single issue and a web comic) of horror comics last October, and that was in addition to other comics, too. What happened to that comic-devouring machine? I wish I could bring him back.
It really doesn't help that the last time Superman was depicted as he's supposed in his own dedicated series, that was Superman: TAS and it ended in 2000, and everything since then has been ensemble stories.
Superman is always going to be a bit of a fuddy duddy, he's too enraptured in that Americana status quo for him to ever escape that, but I say lean into what makes Superman good instead of making him a grim and tortured avenger. We have a guy like that, and he sucks.
I think when adapting him to a big screen is:
Everything about him is basically the blueprint for a lot of superheroes to this day. From his origin, design, powers, even his design and some of his villains. He's one of the blueprints for superheroes.
So to make a superhero film with him, you either
a) do something art house, or b) skip the shit everyone knows and do the obscure deep dives. Snyder kind of did a little of both (though still a blockbuster action film, and it's reception was and is very mixed). He did a more morally gray take and used Zod, a character that many only familiar with Superman in the mainstream these days wouldn't know unless they'd seen Superman 2, and that's an older film. Popular, but old, and therefore waning with majority audiences.
To keep to what makes him him, but still do something people haven't seen from him is a rough one.
Everything about him is basically the blueprint for a lot of superheroes to this day. From his origin, design, powers, even his design and some of his villains. He's one of the blueprints for superheroes.
So to make a superhero film with him, you either
a) do something art house, or b) skip the shit everyone knows and do the obscure deep dives. Snyder kind of did a little of both (though still a blockbuster action film, and it's reception was and is very mixed). He did a more morally gray take and used Zod, a character that many only familiar with Superman in the mainstream these days wouldn't know unless they'd seen Superman 2, and that's an older film. Popular, but old, and therefore waning with majority audiences.
To keep to what makes him him, but still do something people haven't seen from him is a rough one.
I mean we've had the animated films, but even then the last Superman one was what? Death of Superman? Reign of the Supermen? The former being one of his darkest stories and the latter isn't even about Clark.
Superman the animated series was the best solo Superman representation outside the comics.
People argued it made him too underpowered but that never bothered me.
Also kinda funny considering all people complain about these days is how overpowered he supposedly is.
I wish the movies would actually use some of his rogues gallery outside of Lex and Zod.
Metallo or Parasite would look awesome on the big screen.
Hell Mxyzptlk could be a blast too if they just had a bit of fun with it.
Imagine that, a fun upbeat Superman film, not full of depression, misery and despair.
People seem to have forgotten that Superman is supposed to be a fun, easy going, hopeful character.
A nice guy.
He's not Batman. Which is why teaming him up with Batman works so well.
That show is the only Superman content I ever enjoyed. I don't care for any of the movies or any of the comics. Like not even All Star Superman, which everyone was raving about did anything for me.
Your avatar gets me every time. That page was hysterical.
Same. There were a few missteps here and there, but I don't think any of them were too major outside of the rape.
Better than Deku.
The end of Superman TAS is one of the best endings to a superhero show I've ever seen.
I was talking about the animated series, but this is also true.
He does in Justice League, "Twilight, Part 2", but then Batman pulls him out as the Brainiac base is exploding before Superman full on murders him. That same boom tube drags Orion through and basically strands him on Earth and makes him a part of the Justice League, an arc and conversation that's never had.
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You don't beat Darkseid by giving up on your ideals, and that's how the DCAU treated Superman and Darkseid's antagonism.
Superman kept trying to kill him, succeeded, and then Darkseid came back and Superman tried again and failed.
If Joe Shmo didn't hear about Pak, Morrison, Tomassi and Gene Yang's Superman stories it doesn't mean they're worse comics than The Death of Superman. Probably the opposite.
Building comics on outsider baiting hooks is how ya get White Knight.
I keep hearing whisperings of Batman TAS coming back.
Which is cool, but I'd honestly prefer JLU came back instead.
Which is cool, but I'd honestly prefer JLU came back instead.
See Injustice, and the entire reason it's popular.
Superman is inherently boring, he has to be a fascist murderer for him to make sense because a man from the sky who does only good and never lets us down is something we can't ever dream of.
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Dude I've no idea recently. I can't get any new jumps. Release dates are all over the place. I just checked and amazon have it in stock and it wasn't yesterday.
Bit of nuance to be added here. Man of Steel did very well and Superman was popular as a character in the comics well into the 90's. But a few problems happened. First, they didn't allow Superman to just get married so they killed him off and subjected him to all these different, goofy stories.
Second, you're correct that mass media played a big role. Superman didn't look cool in his cartoon. I didn't like Superman growing up 'cause I expected him to be a bad-ass and he was getting beat by Livewire and shit. he was a joke. He didn't get another cartoon show while Batman was drowning in them, and he didn't have a film series.
Then the comics got to a point where the editorial decided "Superman will always sell, so put our best creators anywhere but Superman". You can point to Superman 2000 and see the problem there--several of your best creators begged to write Superman and you said "No". They misused this character for a solid 30 years outside of the occasional good comic run, so when people dislike the character it's not surprising.
Threads saying Superman doesn't work are full of it. Captain America works and he's liked by not just patriots.
They are still doing that shit now.
They gave Superman a son, then quickly aged him up so Superman wouldn't have to raise him.
Spider-Man also went through all that crap as we know.
Although Spider-man is eternally popular and Superman gets automatically crapped on by everyone.
Spider-Man had the JMS run people loved so much we're wasting time retconning a 15 year old story for. And he had multiple cartoons and film franchises in that time. Spider-Man is much more along the lines of Batman than he ever was Superman.
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Oh yeah Spider-Man is way better treated by Marvel than Superman is by DC.
Yeah also infinitetly better than hot pants and a t-shirt.
Can't deny that was iconic.
edit: The BOP costumes were the best.
when Spider-Man became a mess they went so far as to hire John Byrne to revitalize it. ofc that was terrible so they had to try again.
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