Got about 1 1/2 hours in last night and it's so good so far. I just kept yelling 'why would you take this out', some of the stuff removed is insane. Can't wait to finish it tonight.
I'm fine with it being for a JL2 that might have been 5 years later, after a man of steel sequel and the other stuff. It doesn't seem like the plan was to do the Darkseid stuff right after.I think I'm glad that we're not getting a Justice League 2. Knowing the direction Zack Snyder wants to take it, I feel like people won't like it. More evil Superman, the dark state of things in the Knightmare timeline.
After finally getting the Superman people have been wanting to see in this, only to regress back into Evil Superman again, people won't fly with that. I know I won't. Evil Superman is overdone, unoriginal and boring.
It would be cool if it was the Nightmare timeline and the current timeline shown in parallel. That way we would see the 2 "Justice Leagues" each dealing with their own problems and also have normal Supes and evil Supes. Anyway, none of this shit is likely to happen.I think I'm glad that we're not getting a Justice League 2. Knowing the direction Zack Snyder wants to take it, I feel like people won't like it. More evil Superman, the dark state of things in the Knightmare timeline.
After finally getting the Superman people have been wanting to see in this, only to regress back into Evil Superman again, people won't fly with that. I know I won't. Evil Superman is overdone, unoriginal and boring.
That Flash movie is about to be so damn awkward if it's following the Whedon cut. The casual audience would be so confused after what happened in the Snyder cut.
How does AM contradict? It takes place after JLThe solo films already contradict both cuts. Aquaman already has the trident. Wonder Woman had done nothing for years and couldn't fly.
Flash will be fine.
Which trident, he didn't have King Atlan trident yet.The solo films already contradict both cuts. Aquaman already has the trident. Wonder Woman had done nothing for years and couldn't fly.
Flash will be fine.
Did he always have it in Aquaman? It seems like Vulco kept it and would train with him as he aged. So when he presents it to Arthur in JL along with some armor, it would still make sense. Vulco was saying to him, it's finally time to accept this as your birthright and man up.When they were doing Justice League, the trident was his mother's. He trained with it and always had it (Edit: in Aquaman, for clarity). It was intended in JL to be the Trident of Neptune, the same one from the comics that gives Arthur control over water. This one:
Look familiar?
But then they started on Aquaman, and realized they wanted to play around with an Excalibur-style myth, even though they had already done that. So, new trident (actually a trident this time!), new armor. Essentially, the film repeats the story beats in both JL cuts.
Geoff Johns: That was really the only— James had said right away. Like right away. It was from the time we sat down to start breaking the story and writing the treatment. He didn't want it. He just knew he didn't want to do the bubbles.
Geoff Johns: Remember we had a scene where, like a joke, "Where's the restroom?" And he went into this place and he got out. He comes out and goes, "How do you use it?" Which is was funny. I don't know, it never really made it into the, I don't even know if, I think it was in an early draft and it fell out pretty early. But we did have conversations about, with James about, you know, how do they talk underwater. And James was very adamant upfront that he just wanted to make a very, very simple-- He wanted to have scenes underwater where they could talk to each other and there wouldn't be a huge mechanical issue behind that. Because it felt more, you know, he wanted to-- But more like the Hunt for Red October method of, they speak in Russian and then suddenly they're speaking English. And you just can enjoy the story. The story for what it is. But James had, early on knew right away, he was going to do that.
Will Beall: He did. I remember that-- Didn't they end up having it? Didn't--?
Geoff Johns: In Justice League, they make a bubble. And he didn't want to do it.
Will Beall: He was like, "Nuts to that." Which I think was smart.
Geoff Johns: I do too. I think that was really smart. He just said, "I don't want to-- I want to have to clean scenes with just characters talking under water and that's just the way it is." And there's that one line when he's like, "I can talk underwater?" And you're like, "Yeah, it's your superpower."
EDIT - Just skimmed through the Aquaman movie and yep, it's how I said above. Vulco kept it for him while he grew up. You could say that Arthur gave it back to Vulco at the end of JL which would explain why he didn't have it at the beginning of Aquaman and why Vulco gave it to him during the first fight with Orm.
I'm going to say in my head canon that when we see them just 'talk' underwater in Aquaman, they're actually using those dolphin clicks or other methods, but as a viewer we just see it as English. Kinda like how in Star Trek (or Starlord in Guardians of the Galaxy) everyone has a universal translator. The air bubbles are maybe just an easier way to speak English when there's a lot of information needed to be presented? Whatever, it's all good.Here's another one for you.
How do Atlanteans talk in Justice League? Dolphin stuff or the bubbles. Wan disliked that, so he ignored it.
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The solos took cues from JL, but they just said "fuck it" and did their own things, to hell with continuity. And the retcons are just ham-fisted. Which I don't have a problem with, but they are contradictions because those production teams wanted to do their own things. Flash will be the same.
I'm going to say in my head canon that when we see them just 'talk' underwater in Aquaman, they're actually using those dolphin clicks or other methods, but as a viewer we just see it as English. Kinda like how in Star Trek (or Starlord in Guardians of the Galaxy) everyone has a universal translator. The air bubbles are maybe just an easier way to speak English when there's a lot of information needed to be presented? Whatever, it's all good.
Oh, I also remembered the other big continuity error between JL and Aquaman. Mera says her parents are dead in JL, but obviously her dad is alive and well in the Aquaman movie. There's also the whole, "I don't even know your name" that Arthur says to her, which I don't think was needed at all in that movie. He should've known who Mera was since he was a teenager being trained by Vulco.
That Flash movie is about to be so damn awkward if it's following the Whedon cut. The casual audience would be so confused after what happened in the Snyder cut.
And admittedly I've never been deep into Aquaman lore. The bubble thing is weird for two reasons. First, can Vulko control water like that? Can all of them? And second, I get it as a conceit for Arthur who may not speak the language. But even between Mera and the soldiers they do it. I think it's one of those things they overthought you give a science-y explanation.
.I'll be frank—Superman is the main character in the final film. He was always the main character in the final film in the two movies that [would have] followed this movie. And that was the bookended aspect, that it was always going to get back to being all on Superman to lead after the death of Batman. He has to become the de facto Justice League head, to hold the team together emotionally.
The man invented a Kryptonian language because he thought it'd be weird that Kryptonians would speak English on Krypton.
Has there been any news/rumors about the villain for the Flash movie? I stopped following it when it looked like it was never gonna happen.
Kryptonese has been around since 1986, it's just not really worth breaking pace to deal with it in film. It's the same reason Wan struck down the bubbles.
It'll be Reverse Flash. It'll always be Reverse Flash. Especially if they're doing any version of Flashpoint.
Seems to be a thing with him. Did that with the Avengers aswell. Maybe its his attempt at humanizing these characters, but instead it made them seems like this group of misfits when they should be a band of heroes which the Snydercut gave us.I have plenty of thoughts, but my initial ones were
1. Why did Joss or studio executive add in the whole dynamic of the League bickering with each other constantly? Like none of that seems to be in this version. Sure give each other some sass, but not like fighting.
That last battle conclusion where Apokolips had to watch JL pummel Steppenwolf and sent his head back to Darkseids feet. I legit started hollering. Lol. What.a.scene.
Yea that was fucking sick. The 2 factions having a stare down.
Yea that was fucking sick. The 2 factions having a stare down.
I have plenty of thoughts, but my initial ones were
1. Why did Joss or studio executive add in the whole dynamic of the League bickering with each other constantly? Like none of that seems to be in this version. Sure give each other some sass, but not like fighting.
Lol, everybody wants Emilia to replace her.I have no idea why Mera spoke with a british accent but that means Emilia Clarke can use her natural accent if she replaces Heard.
Explains why when I watched it yesterday nothing looked different lol.Just like the documentary we were supposed to be getting, they never put it up.
I hate that Heard is a abusive pos because Emilia can't act for shit
I dont get why Joss decided it was necessary to spend time creating a loud annoying sound for the parademons. Snyder shows Batman doesn't need that at all.I have plenty of thoughts, but my initial ones were
1. Why did Joss or studio executive add in the whole dynamic of the League bickering with each other constantly? Like none of that seems to be in this version. Sure give each other some sass, but not like fighting.
2. I'm surprised that the thing they butchered was the final fight. Like sure I get why they eliminate the final 2 elements, but even some of the stuff with Batman and the eam working together was cut.
People keep bringing her accent up. But her accent is in the TC and her scenes in here were filmed before her character was set in Aquaman (except for the epilogue).I have no idea why Mera spoke with a british accent but that means Emilia Clarke can use her natural accent if she replaces Heard.
Was she not good in Game of Thrones?I hate that Heard is a abusive pos because Emilia can't act for shit
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