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How would you feel if Nintendo Switch Plus “exclusives” still came to OG models, as Cloud Versions?
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I don't see how, it allows games that wouldn't otherwise be feasible for the base Switch to be ported over. I'd rather have RE7 on the Switch Pro than not have RE7 on any Switch period.
I don't have much faith in Nintendo when it comes to online stuff... Also game streaming seems a long way off in Australia. Our internet is too crappy (thanks to LibNat shitheads) and the cost of server hosting is expensive.
I can't believe so many of you are a-ok with cloud games; it's like an extra layer of bullshit on the bullshit that is digital software.
At some point in time those cloud servers aren't gonna be up anymore, meaning the $60 you dropped on Super Mario New Wacky Nonsense 4D doesn't work anymore.
At least a digitally purchased game is still playable once the store goes offline, you don't even get that luxury with cloud games.
At some point in time those cloud servers aren't gonna be up anymore, meaning the $60 you dropped on Super Mario New Wacky Nonsense 4D doesn't work anymore.
At least a digitally purchased game is still playable once the store goes offline, you don't even get that luxury with cloud games.
Considering the Switch is only four years old, I imagine people would have a right to feel pretty annoyed or angry about Nintendo leaving them behind on certain games - or allowing other companies to. The portability of the Switch is one of the primary selling points of the device, so a cloud version seems like a pretty poor compromise.
I'm extremely doubtful Nintendo would go this route in the first place. I must admit I might pay money to see a Nintendo-designed and run cloud gaming service in action though, lol.
I'm extremely doubtful Nintendo would go this route in the first place. I must admit I might pay money to see a Nintendo-designed and run cloud gaming service in action though, lol.
This sounds like it came from someone who didn't own a New 3DS. The New Nintendo 3DS had a whole slew of improvements across the board.
How would a 80+gb game come out on a cart? SE won't even use 32gb ones in the US.
Except it'll be chicken and egg all over again. If there's not enough user-base, then it won't matter that DLSS is a thing.
No one wants Cloud 3D Mario or Zelda, they are thinking Resident Evil 8, 9, Yakuza 7, 8 etc in case they can be ported to the "Switch Plus", but not to the Switch.
I think this makes sense as long as you only have to buy one copy regardless of what system you have. Just that you can't play it natively on the original Switch.
Under the current implementation of cloud games on the Switch, you pay to have access to the game for a predetermined number of days. Nobody is under the impression that these will be available forever.
Well actually I'm talking about OG Switch owners getting the shaft, I actually quite like the N3DS
I don't like the idea about buying cloud games on a portable, since you may not have a good connection to the internet all the time. But if that's the only console the person have... and there's no way to make the game run on the original hardware, then I'm in.
Me too. I love the bigger screens and all the additional buttons. Shame Nintendo didn't add 2nd stick support for Kid Icarus.
Me too. I love the bigger screens and all the additional buttons. Shame Nintendo didn't add 2nd stick support for Kid Icarus.
Mid gen refreshes are obnoxious enough without exclusives (see Ghost of Tsushima's frame rate drops on the base PS4). I really hope there aren't Switch games that aren't on the older model.
My only concern really is not being able to find this "new" Switch console for months or a year due to high demand and immediate selling out plus scalpers.. The current nextgen console situation and video cards.. It is bad as everyone knows.
In regards to the topic at hand, it would be a bad idea to have the games be exclusive to the new model. I just don't see it happening. In the same way that the DS has multiple models that had the same games. We shall see though.
In regards to the topic at hand, it would be a bad idea to have the games be exclusive to the new model. I just don't see it happening. In the same way that the DS has multiple models that had the same games. We shall see though.
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If this thing wasn't so beefy, I'd think that a true successor would be necessary by fall, 2023. But if this upgrade gets some exclusive games (while cloud versions of them are technically still available on base models), then I don't think a brand new system is mandatory for a while longer. So much remains to be seen.
Though clouds are also good for game saves, right?
See that would be cool. Cloud version coming with your physical cartridge/download!
What you described would be quite a significant and awesome upgrade. Even if this NS+ is basically a modern PS4 Pro, that would be stellar.
There are some that wouldn't mind either, if Nintendo took an iPhone-esque approach, but with new models coming out once every two years. Maybe not the most likely, but not bad either, depending how each one differs.
True, that would help.
Poor Thor 2!
I could see Splatoon 3 looking a lot better on NS+, but not be an exclusive to it. First party Nintendo games, I think, should run on all systems, from cartridge or eShop.
Good thought!
I was trying to come up with a having your cake abs eating it too concept, but is it likely? Hard to tell.
Nice!
Not many, but this upgraded mode does appear to be quite a bit more powerful than what New 3DS was to the original.
If that happens though, NS' life of guaranteed titles coming out for it, probably won't be as long lasting. No company will abandon it ASAP because of the install base, but I don't think Nintendo needs Nintendo Switch 2 just yet.
I like that thought and has a very similar idea. Excellent.
It would be wild if this thing was indeed Nintendo Switch 2 at launch this fall. Entirely possible.
Could be solid for folks whose only console, home or otherwise, is a Nintendo Switch.
With NS+, bring Mortal Kombat 11 to looking like the Xbox One and PS4 versions and I'd be very happy with that.
Leave what in the dust?
Perhaps native versions come with cloud access. Play now on your base models, but have the cartridge/eShop download for when you upgrade.
Those ran well in my opinion.
I see Splatoon 3 running on everything.
Maybe Nintendo teams up for such a feature.
Right on.
That's how I see it too.
What do you hope the new system to primarily be?
Interesting take, but I wonder if you were an NS-only player, would you feel differently.
Fair enough.
Even bad for gamers if at least there's still a cloud version available over nothing at all?
That could very well be the case.
Good points.
I meant NS family-exclusive, like if you were a solo NS owner, not yet ready to buy a new system of any kind.
This does feel like a "new waters" platform.
Something like that, but you'd still have to buy the game, one by one...or perhaps, when you buy the cartridge/eShop download, you get the cloud version for your base model, before you upgrade.
Yeah, why wouldn't Ubisoft want their latest Assassin's Creed on as many platforms as possible? You get it!
Thanks for your input and I'm glad you got it.
Some like that portable in house factor. But if you have a PC, then yeah, that will win when it comes to graphics.
Probably not "them".
It's all good!
Exactly!
All good!
Would you buy the new model?
Could be the case.
True. I see Nintendo scaling anything they make, for all three. Third parties might not be able to scale everything.
Hey thank you! This is something I started back in the day when I was working for Gamers.com and 1Up.com after that. Whenever I make a thread, I always respond to every single person. It's my thing. 😁 I appreciate your comment!
Even 4.5 years into a platform's life?
But with more potential
I think...certainly hope, that Nintendo Switch 2 will be 100% backwards compatible with all NS games!
Potential is a moot point, I'm pointing out that the N3DS had an exclusive the OG 3DS couldn't play, and I'm not so sure a Cloud version is a great solution for that. Better than nothing, I guess?
Why are people dragging up decades old examples? The DSi, N3DS or GBC are completely irrelevant when it comes to the switch. The market and the delivery mechanisms for content have changed significantly since even the N3DS.
The only relevant examples are the Pro versions of last Gen consoles and more importantly iPhones. If you want to see how intergenerational compatibility works then that is where to look. There will be a gradual fadeout of older hardware rather than a sudden cutoff point. I actually expect Nintendo themselves to drive adoption of the new system by releasing exclusives sooner rather than later.
Honestly offering a cloud version as an interim option for people on older hardware would be a good compromise. Since you already own the game, you could play it natively as soon as you upgrade, but in the mean time you can play the next best thing. I would expect Nintendo to tie this to NSO, as streaming is a non negligible cost.
Again speculation. Pure speculation.
The only relevant examples are the Pro versions of last Gen consoles and more importantly iPhones. If you want to see how intergenerational compatibility works then that is where to look. There will be a gradual fadeout of older hardware rather than a sudden cutoff point. I actually expect Nintendo themselves to drive adoption of the new system by releasing exclusives sooner rather than later.
Honestly offering a cloud version as an interim option for people on older hardware would be a good compromise. Since you already own the game, you could play it natively as soon as you upgrade, but in the mean time you can play the next best thing. I would expect Nintendo to tie this to NSO, as streaming is a non negligible cost.
Again speculation. Pure speculation.
I was honestly kind of blown away how well the trial versions of Hitman 3 and Control run even on my dusty 50mbit connection (which I actually upgraded to 250mbit since then). Very playable and while the image quality isn't perfect it's far better than most natively running Switch ports look.
If the pricing wasn't ridiculous (I'm not going to spend 70€ for a cloud version that will be discontinued sooner rather than later) I'd actually considering buying them.
If the pricing wasn't ridiculous (I'm not going to spend 70€ for a cloud version that will be discontinued sooner rather than later) I'd actually considering buying them.
I expect this will be on case by case basis for those third party publishers, for example if an online multiplayer game runs natively on Switch Pro but can't on the OG (like say Destiny 2), a cloud version would actually make sense since you need an internet connection anyway.
For single player games, that seems less likely overall imo.
For single player games, that seems less likely overall imo.
doesn't seem likely given that the advances are likely to be in resolution and possibly frame rate rather than anything more profound, so cloud streaming itself would undermine the boost. hard to imagine that any games designed with the next switch in mind would run better enough in the cloud that you wouldn't rather just have a native version.
oh boy...a 90gb cartridge. sounds fun. Does it either cost $100 or will the cart only contains half the game and the player got to download the other half?
Before anyone retort me using 'muh compression'.....there's only so much you can compress...we are not living in HBO's silicon valley' world.....there's no real life pied piper......there's no magical 'middle-out' compression.
If it gets to that point then rather just call it the switch 2 instead of obfuscating the fact. Many region can't play cloud games due to latency so it would actively hurt them.
I suppose it makes sense for third party titles that need to be ported over but even if I could play it in my market I'd rather not get it. One of my biggest deciding factors for buying multi Plat games on switch is portability so cloud gaming just kills that.
I'd be interested to know how many first world switch owners have no access to a gaming pc or competitor consoles. That's the only market I see for these cloud ports.
Now exclusives would be a different story but I don't see many if any of those happening as it will just annoy existing customers for games that should already be optomized for the base hardware.
Would be nice seeing games with unlocked frame rates reach 60fps tho
I suppose it makes sense for third party titles that need to be ported over but even if I could play it in my market I'd rather not get it. One of my biggest deciding factors for buying multi Plat games on switch is portability so cloud gaming just kills that.
I'd be interested to know how many first world switch owners have no access to a gaming pc or competitor consoles. That's the only market I see for these cloud ports.
Now exclusives would be a different story but I don't see many if any of those happening as it will just annoy existing customers for games that should already be optomized for the base hardware.
Would be nice seeing games with unlocked frame rates reach 60fps tho
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Ideally a downgraded native version and cloud.
But it's up to the publisher, you can't force them.
But it's up to the publisher, you can't force them.
I mean, it's Nintendo.
If it's Switch 2 and The Next Switch, it'll have exclusives like any other new console. Likely there'll be a period of limited cross-gen.
If it's Switch Plus, Super Switch, Switch Pro, etc...; It might have like 3 titles with significant upgrades and then they'll completely forget about it and you'll get your better resolution/framerate and like it.
Hey, Ninty can always grow and change, but no matter what, Nintendo is always going to Nintendo.
I don't think they're going to bother with Cloud versions. The tech could work, but a lot of people are biased against it, and the infrastructure in a lot of places is problematic.
If it's Switch 2 and The Next Switch, it'll have exclusives like any other new console. Likely there'll be a period of limited cross-gen.
If it's Switch Plus, Super Switch, Switch Pro, etc...; It might have like 3 titles with significant upgrades and then they'll completely forget about it and you'll get your better resolution/framerate and like it.
Hey, Ninty can always grow and change, but no matter what, Nintendo is always going to Nintendo.
I don't think they're going to bother with Cloud versions. The tech could work, but a lot of people are biased against it, and the infrastructure in a lot of places is problematic.
Like I asked before...
I wouldn't expect Nintendo themselves to do any exclusives anytime soon (if ever). But third-party developers are already rumored to be bringing exclusives to the Switch Pro that wouldn't otherwise be possible on the OG Switch.
True but I said PS4+ not pro. I don't think Pro level is possible in a handheld in 2023. Maybe? But I don't see Nintendo being the one to release a 4TF handheld.
honestly I'm not convinced Nintendo will even hit 2Ghz on the cpu. But like I said before and I think you agree, even a switch 2 as powerful; more or less, as the PS4, would be great
Based on the rumors, it doesn't seem like it'll be a minor bump. And even then, I would rather have the third-party games in question be on the Switch Pro than not on any Switch at all. We already know that Capcom tried & failed to port RE7 to the OG Switch (so other RE Engine games like RE2make, RE3make, & DMC5 that weren't made with the Switch in mind from the start likely won't fare any better), while the likes of GG Strive & Tekken 7 can't even hit 900p on the base PS4.
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What? No, it doesn't seem like it. I don't think Nintendo is ditching the regular Switch and Switch lite 3 years from now to focus entirely on the Pro version, they're definitely going to release and market a proper successor, unless they want another Wii U situation.
I think making game sexclusive to an updated version of the same console is bullshit, but I would those with the OG version rather have a cloud version than nothing at all.
wouldn't be Nintendo making exclusives for the revision (at least not in the next 3 years at least) but ports of third party games unable to come to the OG Switch.
There won't be Switch Plus exclusives.
Switch OG and Lite comprise too big a market.
I venture to guess that Wii U is still very much present in Nintendo's memory. Cutoffs like that will only happen with a very CLEAR new console.
Switch OG and Lite comprise too big a market.
I venture to guess that Wii U is still very much present in Nintendo's memory. Cutoffs like that will only happen with a very CLEAR new console.
Nintendo most certainly won't, but third parties definitely will. And they'll be nothing more than quick port jobs, games that cannot run on base model.
We have two games previously leaked could be Switch Pro exclusive: Red Dead Redemption 2 and Borderlands 3.
If we are strictly speaking of the high-end 3rd party titles, then I think that's a reasonable solution. Nintendo published titles should appear natively on all Switch hardware.
I think many people in this thread are gonna be surprised. Assuming the Bloomberg DLSS story is correct, which it most likely will be, this new Switch will be a massive tech upgrade and completely incomparable to the New 3DS or DSi examples (makes no sense that everyone keeps bringing this up, a cutting-edge graphics tech vendor never made anything for those systems).
For first party Nintendo games, Nintendo will most likely not make exclusive games for this iteration as the type of games Nintendo makes do not require that level of power, given Nintendo's games go for more unique art-styles rather than the typically generic realistic graphics. They will however, create enhanced versions of games for the new Switch, but the graphical differences between OG Switch and this new Switch will be dramatic and incredibly noticeable, making the urge for most users to upgrade.
For third party games, however?....
OG Switch owners: be prepared to see an influx of cloud versions for new modern 3rd party games that simply cannot run on the original Switch as it is too weak of a system. Go look in the eShop today, there are a few examples out there already. There's no reason for anyone with an OG Switch to complain, as your system technically will be getting those games just delivered in a different format, the OG system is from 2017, mobile graphics hardware has dramatically improved since the original hardware and you can't realistically expect that model to last forever (again this is more geared towards 3rd party support)
For first party Nintendo games, Nintendo will most likely not make exclusive games for this iteration as the type of games Nintendo makes do not require that level of power, given Nintendo's games go for more unique art-styles rather than the typically generic realistic graphics. They will however, create enhanced versions of games for the new Switch, but the graphical differences between OG Switch and this new Switch will be dramatic and incredibly noticeable, making the urge for most users to upgrade.
For third party games, however?....
OG Switch owners: be prepared to see an influx of cloud versions for new modern 3rd party games that simply cannot run on the original Switch as it is too weak of a system. Go look in the eShop today, there are a few examples out there already. There's no reason for anyone with an OG Switch to complain, as your system technically will be getting those games just delivered in a different format, the OG system is from 2017, mobile graphics hardware has dramatically improved since the original hardware and you can't realistically expect that model to last forever (again this is more geared towards 3rd party support)
There absolutely will be third party games that can't run on the base Switch that will receive Pro ports.
If the 10th port of Resident Evil 4 can sell near a million copies on the Switch, Capcom isn't going to leave that money on the table for ports of 2, 3, 7, etc.
There will be software that appears on the Plus that doesn'ta appear on the OG. That is 100% going to happen.
Most publishers would want to make an OG version if it is feasible thougu for obvious reasons.
I don't expect any Switch Plus/Pro exclusives. It does not make any sense from a business perspective to limit a new game to such a small userbase. Especially since the new hardware will be just a boosted version of the original one, I don't see why some games would be limited to just the Switch Plus.
You're deluded if you think there will be Switch Plus exclusives from Nintendo. Why would they exclude 80+ million people from buying a new game? It ain't how Nintendo works folks.