Zelda in B tier. Why? Unless this is tiering how much money they bring in then that makes sense.
Edit: I just noticed that you have severely underestimated Animal Crossing. As well as Zelda does bring in significantly more money than Fire Emblem.
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Edit: I just noticed that you have severely underestimated Animal Crossing. As well as Zelda does bring in significantly more money than Fire Emblem.
In terms of Zelda reps that would be better received than Rex (in no particular order):
Groose
Tetra
Impa (like you said)
Revali
Mipha
Urbosa
Daruk
Pig Ganon
Marin
Saria
Skull Kid/Majora
King of Red Lions
But Pig Ganon's already a boss & Skull Kid is an Assist Trophy.
I'm not judging people for playing 8 hours a day, I'm just saying it's likely to be a super small group.
If they wanted those characters to work they would find a way, but fine, if we're taking them out of the equation there's still a good 10 Zelda reps to choose from. At least.
But that's the thing, I'm not sure if they'd want those characters for that reason. Either way, I'm not too hopeful for any Zelda representation beyond recurring characters like Impa or Tingle (Pig Ganon would have been great if he wasn't a boss).
On-topic, I'm curious to see how the game will sell in the long-term. Obviously it'll have legs, but how long will those legs be is the question. I suppose the Fighters Pass will help on that front.
It will be behind PUBG / RDR2 / BOIIII / FIFA19 / Minecraft / GTAV for sure. #7 to #10 could go to either MHW, Spider Man, FC5, ACO, GoW or SSBU tho.
This is clearly anecdotal but I've worked at the same job since Switch released and until today when I got back to work for the first time in two weeks (parental leave) and to my knowledge I knew only 3 people who owned a switch there including me.
I get back, watched my outlook and saw someone had sent out e-mail regarding a smash tournament a few fridays in to January at a conference room at the office. I knew the guy vaguely so went and talked to him.. he said 25 people was already signed up after 1 day (we're roughly people on the site) and about 20 of them told them they bought a Switch in the timeframe since Smash launched including himself... crazy.
I get back, watched my outlook and saw someone had sent out e-mail regarding a smash tournament a few fridays in to January at a conference room at the office. I knew the guy vaguely so went and talked to him.. he said 25 people was already signed up after 1 day (we're roughly people on the site) and about 20 of them told them they bought a Switch in the timeframe since Smash launched including himself... crazy.
People generally think that way about any series they don't play. I gotta say, I find it particularly irritating in regards to Smash, because it's one of a very few series I loved, then hated, then loved again. There's no bigger change than that.
GTAV again? I guess I shouldn't be surprised. How much more did it sell this year?
I just remembered, this was released relatively early in the Switch's life. Smash is gonna be a sales juggernaut that eclipses BotW & Odyssey if it keeps this pace up.
There's been a lot of mockery of that Nintendo franchise tier list from earlier in this topic, but how would it actually be ranked? I'm curious. My half-guessed list is:
S Tier - Pokémon, Mario Kart, 2D Mario (?)
A Tier - 3D Mario, Smash Bros, Zelda (?)
B Tier - Animal Crossing (?), Splatoon, Donkey Kong (?), Fire Emblem
C Tier - Kirby, Yoshi, Metroid
D Tier - Xenoblade, Wario, Star Fox, Kid Icarus (?), Pikmin
E Tier - F-Zero, Earthbound, & other dormant franchises
Please tell me how wrong I am, Era.
S Tier - Pokémon, Mario Kart, 2D Mario (?)
A Tier - 3D Mario, Smash Bros, Zelda (?)
B Tier - Animal Crossing (?), Splatoon, Donkey Kong (?), Fire Emblem
C Tier - Kirby, Yoshi, Metroid
D Tier - Xenoblade, Wario, Star Fox, Kid Icarus (?), Pikmin
E Tier - F-Zero, Earthbound, & other dormant franchises
Please tell me how wrong I am, Era.
Have you taken even a cursory glance at Nintendo game sales? If so, you would know that Animal Crossing is not C tier lol.
This list is wrong. AC is A tier if not S tier, Zelda should be A tier, as should Splatoon, which you didn't even mention.
Also Smash didn't save Bayonetta, that game bombed well enough on its own. It has been a cult hit well before it was in Smash, and derives its interest from there, not from Smash (although Smash definitely doesn't hinder its appeal, of course).
Also, really? "Niche and lame" is an awful way to go about talking about games in general, and is absolutely unwarranted when discussing sales. You're just trying to stir shit Is the feeling I get.
It's definitely not. That's what I mean by you projecting. People spending larger amounts of time playing a game after launch isn't new. I'd gamble that at least 1/3 of people that own Smash have already put 20-30 hours in. I have friends on my Twitter timeline that have done 50-60 already.
~10m without CY Q4, on par with 2015, 2016 and 2017 where it reached ~15m in the end thanks to Q4
Source? The last numbers we got were 22.8 million at the end of September 2018.
It's going to have some lenghty legs for sure, especially with the DLC hype.
No source. Im assuming they hit or get close to 20m FY target which meants over 37m Switches sold by Mar 31/2029
Using 22million to cacluate atrach rate seems odd. They need to be over 30m after December to hit their FY target
Technically, you're in the majority.
You're probably one of the only ones on Era though.
that's pretty funnyFor many people Smash is just a casual game.
I mean just based on the sell through data we have in November from the US and Japan it's probably over 25M. Add in shipments to those regions plus the rest of the world and yeah it's probably well over 30M by this point in mid December.
Yup...people forget that Smash was also the main reason the GameCube sold like it did out of the gate. It's like a slightly more serious Mario Kart.
Are you talking about shipped or sold-through? Shipped maybe but sell-through is definitely not over 30 million.
AC and Splatoon are A tier tbh. I'd also put Kirby alongside DK and FE.
Considering 1/2 of christmas week is over, I think the 30 million are already reached. Week 51 is just nuts.
How are you going to write a list with Groose and Marin and Saria and King of Red Lions but not Midna.
I know this is all anecdotes, but like half the gaming types I know are buying/bought a Switch JUST for Smash (myself included lol). People really REALLY shouldn't underestimate the selling power of Smash Bros.
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Explain to me how Smash Ultimate is so different from Melee, Brawl or Wii U/3DS. Explain to me how the core gameplay has tried to reinvent—or even change—itself like, say, Zelda, Mario, Metroid, or even Pikmin. How? Because of a glorified (and lazy) Event Match mode called World of Light? Because we're collecting spirit cards now instead of trophies? Give me a break; Smash has not markedly changed since the GCN days...even the UI is the same.
You can split hairs with control changes and whatever else, but the core mechanics that make Smash Smash are exactly the same and people love it, so of course they are. Again, not a criticism, but let's be real.
The concept is the same, the gameplay mechanics are different.
Smash hasn't had a BotW moment if that's what you're talking about.
You're right, and I apologize for coming off as judgemental. As this very thread is teaching me, Smash is BIG.
"Everything is the same except for the things that are different. Those don't count." Also lol @ "the UI is the same". Troll confirmed.
No need to apologize, you didn't insult anyone really. Because the last Smash was on WiiU, and Brawl was so long ago, people forgot LOL. This is Nintendo's lead multiplayer game, as well as the one of the most popular first party multiplayer game next to Halo. It has tremendous hype firepower.
I mean, he has the point, the whole basic control set hasn't changed at all (and that is the core gameplay). Smash changed from one version to the other like CoD changes over 3 years.
Because Twilight Princess is my least favorite entry so it gets shoved to the back of my mind when I make lists like that.
But yeah Midna would be great too.