Our line had a policy where if anyone tried to let someone cut, we were all going to throw hands
(Don't cut in front of Tacoma people lol)
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(Don't cut in front of Tacoma people lol)
So after joining nearly every day since the beginning of June, I finally got picked in the Newegg shuffle yesterday and got a 3080. Honestly more relieved to be done searching than anything lol
Me neither. This is infuriating, all I want is a stupid 3060 or a 3060ti.
Congrats! How much was it out of curiosity? Did you have to do a combo deal? I keep wanting to select the 3080 in these things but even when not a combo the cards are still like 1200 dollars and it frustrates the hell out of me lol
They both equally suck but I think the friends/family arriving later to join the line happens more often and frequently.
There was the video of Bitwit where he covered Micro Center's 3090 launch and the people who waited in line developed quite the system to keep those who were legitimately in line to not lose their spot. Some people even tried to cut the line at the end and edit the hand-written list but prior to that happening, someone was clever enough to replicate the list online so they can refer back to it if the hand-written list was compromised, which it was. Of course, you'd have to get everyone who is on that list to agree and maintain their place in line and back each other up.
This is the Microcenter I shop at and they have changed how they do things since that. I talked with one of the reps because for about six months they had 20 to 50 people lined up EVERY delivery day, first on the side of the store, but then they moved them to the public sidewalk. What is crazy unless it was a special launch, the store really doesn't get an accurate day to day delivery manifest. So the people waiting overnight don't even know if they store is going to have something the next morning. There would be a group of 5 to 10 people that it pretty much was their job to lineup each night Sunday to Thursday on the CHANCE that the store gets any graphics cards, so they could buy it and then just flip it on whatever marketplace for 2 or 3 times over MSRP.
It was $1150, which yeah isn't great but I'll be selling my current GPU (2060S) for more than what it would go for during normal times so I figure it balances out in the end Iol
NVIDIA rumored to launch RTX 3090 SUPER, RTX 3070 Ti 16GB and RTX 2060 12GB in January - VideoCardz.com
NVIDIA preparing new graphics cards for the January launch According to a Tweet by hongxing2020, NVIDIA will indeed launch RTX 3090 SUPER early next year. NVIDIA CEO Jensen Huang announcing RTX 3090, Source: NVIDIA The tweet claims it is true NVIDIA is launching RTX 3090 SUPER, an updated...
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3070 with 16GB would make a lot of sense.
Hopefully this is true and hopefully 3080 Super will get 20 GBs as well.
No idea why this refresh would be of any use to anyone otherwise.
NVIDIA rumored to launch RTX 3090 SUPER, RTX 3070 Ti 16GB and RTX 2060 12GB in January - VideoCardz.com
NVIDIA preparing new graphics cards for the January launch According to a Tweet by hongxing2020, NVIDIA will indeed launch RTX 3090 SUPER early next year. NVIDIA CEO Jensen Huang announcing RTX 3090, Source: NVIDIA The tweet claims it is true NVIDIA is launching RTX 3090 SUPER, an updated...
3070 with 16GB would make a lot of sense.
Hopefully this is true and hopefully 3080 Super will get 20 GBs as well.
No idea why this refresh would be of any use to anyone otherwise.
Yeah, 16+ GB would make a lot of sense for the 30XX series. I got an ASUS ROG Strix 3070 Ti OC 8 GB because it was the card I could get (I wanted a 3080). But I'll live since I only play at 1920 x 1200 where it kicks ass a-plenty. The 3070 Ti is pretty damn good, but current prices completely fuck with the price/performance ratio.
Still not sure it was a necessary purchase but at least I shouldn't have to do anything with my computer now for at least a few years
Going to be annoying if Nvidia announce a 3080 super that outperforms the Ti but it's not like they'll be any easier to get hold of anyway
The picture you took was at the perfect angle where it looks like a print out lmao I thought it was a joke at first.
Still not sure it was a necessary purchase but at least I shouldn't have to do anything with my computer now for at least a few years
Going to be annoying if Nvidia announce a 3080 super that outperforms the Ti but it's not like they'll be any easier to get hold of anyway
I personally don't believe it. Print out. Only way I'll believe it is if he ships it to me for verification.
I might ship back a 3060ti back to him, but thats neither here nor there.
Just enjoy your new graphics card and don't think about all that noise. We are past the times of being able to freely choose a graphics card based solely on it's price/performance/newness.
... Why?
It makes no sense to me, its not strong enough to take advantage of that.
It's almost art with the way a printed picture of a GPU box reflects the reality of the current market.
Had to RMA the 3070 in my wife's new PC last week...the wait is hard for the replacement, will be a nice upgrade from the old 970 she had lol.
It is strong enough to be faster than new consoles, especially with RT, which in turn adds a lot to VRAM requirements.
This means that it is bound to run into VRAM limitations much sooner than the rest of current gen GPU lineup.
And it has already started albeit in some isolated cases.
Not sure why it wouldn't?
VRam is mostly about texture resolution anyway... and I think RTX is memory hungry as well.
With DirectStorage and RTX IO coming down the pipe, having a large memory buffer might help these cards really take off later in the gen.
At first, I was worried and I even debated myself about getting an RTX 30 GPU, but when I started to monitor actual VRAM usage in games and watching in game VRAM requirements (other than the broken RE ones), I realized my worry was not warranted, my perception was skewed by inaccurate reports from tools in the past and the dynamic allocation behavior of some games, which means they allocate as much as they can without doing anything with that memory. The latest AAA game from Ubisoft for example, needs less than 6GB at ultra settings 1440p, even with RT on. still RTX 3070 won't be able to keep it at 60fps all the time at that resolution, and the memory buffer is nowhere near close to being full.
GPU power is the real limitation with both RTX 3070 and RTX 3080. without using DLSS, there are many games facing performance limitations (can't reach stable 60fps) at 4K right now, and they are not hitting memory limitation. some of those games are: Metro Exodus Extreme setting with RT, CP2077 with ultra RT (let alone Psycho), Read Dead Redemption 2 ultra everything, Kingdom Come Deliverance (highest settings), and many others actually.
Performance is already limited by the GPU in many games at 4k. at 1440p I would say you have a headroom as well even with 8GB. As for consoles, you know its a shared memory, and I'm confident XSX is nowhere close to fill 10GB of VRAM in any game for now, yet its still not able to run games at native 4K.
Because it can raise the cost of the product for almost 0 benefits.
I think Watch Dogs Legion does at 4k, and I also believe Ghost Recon Breakpoint IIRC.
WDL only starts hitting the VRAM hard with RT on and without DLSS, at which point the performance can't keep up anyway. But yeah, while it was definitely under 10, I'm second guessing myself if it was over 8
Yup, most folks who do GPU based 3D rendering use consumer cards and not the super expensive Quadro cards. Crypto bros and gamers aren't the only people buying GPUs. 16 GB would be very useful on 3070 Ti class cards. I'm personally using my 3070 Ti for OctaneRender and it's great for the type of product visualization I do, I don't need tons of VRAM but other tasks are more demanding. Some people have two or more 3090s for OctaneRender.
I've already replied to that. 3070 is faster than new consoles both of which have ~12 GBs of "VRAM" available to them.
This means that there will be games which will run into 8 GB VRAM on them, eventually, even at playable framerates.
There are some such games already.
Deathloop is a recent example.
Jumping into this thread due to me thinking about maybe building a system soon (if I can find anything). Recent comments make it seem like the 3070/80s aren't real powerhouses? Is there a reason to wait for next gen cards?
Seriously, how does one even buy a GPU? My computer is done for, I've got an unexpected bonus and I'm ready to build a new one.
Just people pointlessly obsessed with MORE POWER. The current slate of Nvidia cards are awesome and the 3080 is an absolute powerhouse. By the time games routinely start demanding 16gb of VRAM for high-level performance, the 30XX cards will be outdated anyway.
XSX has 10GB of fast memory that would be used as VRAM, not 12GB (and they are using AMD which uses more memory compared to Nvidia that has better compression). in any case, RTX 3070 is already doing more job than consoles by playing games at native resolution with better IQ, higher RT settings and stronger visual effects, it can only do so much. I agree that 8GB is not ideal for 4k long term, but with 3070 I wouldn't worry about that, because I would be already limited by the GPU level of performance and lowering settings anyway, reducing VRAM requirements in the process, so why would I worry about VRAM limitation when I'm already limited by the performance at 4K? for example why would I worry that WDL use more than 8GB at 4K while not even 3080 can do 4k/60fps/RT at least without DLSS? I would be hitting performance limit due to the GPU level of power already, in multiple AAA games. hitting performance limit at 4K is gonna be the case with RTX 3070 at 4K most of the time, not VRAM limit.
Both are plenty powerful, but 4K is still extremely taxing and above that we are now dealing with RT as well.
i suppose I was thinking more of the 3070 as that is the card i am eyeing
Oh man. Embarrassing. With New World released, I decided to un-retire my old baby: 7600gt with an i5 3570k, 8gb of ram. Beast.
depending on your resolution, a 3060 Ti might be the best option if you can cop one. hell, sometimes I think it's too much for my 1080p monitor
I'd probably go with a 3060 or 3060 ti, and I'd also recommend upgrading your RAM to 16 gb as well. 8 gb will work fine for MOST games- I'm not sure about new world in particular - but some games pretty much demand 16 gigs as a minimum.
I'd also recommend overclocking your processor to alleviate a CPU bottleneck, but only if you're comfortable doing so.
This distinction is very shaky since not all data residing in a PC GPU VRAM has to be in a "fast" pool either.
It is better to view both PS5 and XS pools as UMA despite them being non-uniform in access bandwidths.
The question of how much VRAM you'd need is down to how much RAM is being consumed by console OS and game's logic in multiplatform titles, and this is likely to be at 4 or less GBs for most projects.
Then you'd have to consider that PC versions will likely get more advanced RT implementations which will add to VRAM consumption on top of that.
Thus 8GBs will likely be enough only for pure console level settings - and even in such cases there may be games which will want more VRAM.
Doesn't mean that games won't run on 8GB GPUs of course but performance may be sub par.
Consoles don't really do 4K and it is highly likely that lowering settings to get a game to playable fps won't affect VRAM consumption much.
Note that both AMD and Nv are avoiding releasing desktop GPUs with less than 8GBs of VRAM.
They know that it is the bare minimum right now, and as any bare minimum it will likely become an issue pretty fast.
Because for every WDL there will be a REVIII or Deathloop or I dunno COD all of which aim at high fps while consuming a lot of VRAM.
Shading / tracing performance isn't really linked to VRAM consumption. And with consoles being comparatively slow in both while having 16GBs of RAM it is very likely that many multiplatform games will use that baseline going forward - less advanced shading, higher RAM consumption.
We're also in the middle of crossgen period (which will end eventually) and this helps with RAM consumption since most games are aiming at previous gen limits for now.
I doubt this would be the case, it would be too slow on XSX and the fast swap of data would make this approach not ideal at all, but even if that happened, it doesn't mean smaller but much faster memory will necessarily face performance penalty. CoD already can allocate even 20GB of memory, yet it doesn't face performance penalty with 8GB.
We will agree to disagree this time :P
because honestly, I still think that performance is already an issue if you are using RTX 3070 @4K and want to play max settings, and its still the much bigger issue in many games right now, let alone in the future, and because of that I still don't see the point of other potential issues. the 16GB version of 3070 won't solve those performance issues at all. selling and upgrading later when one is not satisfied with the performance level is much better option in my opinion. you would end up with a faster card for maybe the same extra cash that a 16GB or 20GB RTX 3080 would ask for over base price.
If you plan to game at 4K and you want to keep the card as long as possible, RTX 3070 will not be enough, with either 8GB or 16GB of memory, so you either get a stronger card, or plan an upgrade with next gen GPUs, because if we are in cross gen phase and its already not powerful enough for 4k/60fps in many games then this is the thing to really worry about, and its gonna be the case at 4K more often than not. its gonna last longer as a great 1440p option.
I'm not aware of performance penalty for RE8 with RTX 3070 at 4K, watched some videos like this and its running incredibly well.
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yes. there's no legal binding to sell products at MSRP. they totally can sell PS5s at higher prices if they wanted (and many do)
The Super has always been behind the Ti in branding so no chance of that happening. The x80 Ti GPUs in all generations are nvidia's fastest gaming graphic cards. The ones above that are Titan and the ones below ar Super.
Still not sure it was a necessary purchase but at least I shouldn't have to do anything with my computer now for at least a few years
Going to be annoying if Nvidia announce a 3080 super that outperforms the Ti but it's not like they'll be any easier to get hold of anyway
So how do people even track stock/get notifications now? Been ignoring video cards since I thought I was set for a couple years but time makes fools on us all and I now need one. Got a Microcenter close by but not close enough to get there at 9 every morning for whatever signup thing they do.
How come they don't do it with consoles? Answer is likely "Sony Nintendo MS don't let them", which brings the question why would nVidia do? Or is nVidia selling the gpus to them at a higher price as well?
Nvidia aren't selling the stores the gpus. MSI/Asus/Gigabyte/etc are. and they already hiked the price before the stores do.
GPUs are sold by hardware vender who buy off the chip from Nvidia/AMD and assemble it on a PCB. So it's a whole market of them and GPU prices even in the past were different from MSRP. In fact the high end GPUs from EVGA, Asus, and MSI etc were several hundreds of dollars more expensive than Nvidia or AMD MSRP prices. This has always been the case. It's why only Nvidia still selling at msrp for their founder edition cards today but only through specific venders. Consoles are made directly by their makers and they have more influence over pricing. But like others who noted, retailers can price them as much as they want. It could lead to some consequences from the console maker side like not providing stock if they are not happy with the pricing, but in most cases the main drive against adjusting the pricing is that other retails will sell it for MSRP and that deters them. You also have grey market stuff where I wouldn't be surprised if stock is sold in ebay under an alias to sell at higher prices. Hell I remember MSI got in a trouble recently for doing something similar with their GPUs. So it's totally possible.
thanks for reply. As I built this back in 2013, I was thinking of going for a complete rebuild but get the the gpu seems to be a nightmare.
My goal is a machine that can run most games and future games at high. Interesting thoguh that maybe just getting a 3060 for now and popping it into my current system may give me life for another 2 years or so.
you can always look into a pre-built. that's the easiest way to get a gpu (and everything else) at a reasonable price and availability
I'm quite confident it's within Nvidia's purview to put a price cap on AIB's. If I'm not mistaken they already have to certify and sign off on all their designs. Seems it would be trivial for Nvidia to set an MSRP ceiling, lest the simply withhold and refuse to sell chips to the offending parties. They simply choose not to. It's likely Nvidia have also raised their chip prices to AIB's by XX%, and the AIB's have passed that on to consumers and added another XX% for their trouble.
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