The 11th (or 12th if you count Vivi) will be when Luffy asks him to join
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One Piece |OTX| Presented By Onigashima
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Eh, agree to disagree, though I was talking about the cliffhanger panel
I don't feel like this is a real trend tbh
Maybe Oda just wanted Zeus to be more out of sight, out of mind, but I thought him residing in the climatact already accomplished that
Yep, love it
He is as the kids say, down colossal
Yea it's just a support role where she's babysitting, but kudos to her escaping from Kaido
Objectively, I will admit that the idea of Marco vs King is weird. It's the same reason I didn't want it over Sanji vs King, because with the latter you're going in genuinely wondering how Sanji will pull it off. Whereas with Marco vs King, the fandom mostly assumes he's stronger than King going into the fight. Now granted, Marco already seems to be starting to get exhausting, he did have to deal with two commanders at once, but yea
That said, again, narratively speaking, Zoro already pulled out all his best shit against Kaido. Asura made a return. He was revealed to have Conqueror's Haki. He scarred Kaido! Everything other than that is gonna feel like a step down happening in the same arc, even beating someone like King. Even more so if it plays out on a way where Zoro finishes off a weakened King. So the idea of this leaving Zoro out of the conversation is a ridiculous assertion to make, because Zoro himself already subverted expectations by fighting a Yonko alongside Luffy, and did way better than most thought he would. The only reason you and maybe others are feeling this way is because it'll be months since Zoro was doing his thing on the rooftop, so over time it'll start to feel more and more like Zoro is *somehow* getting shortchanged. But you reread those chapters, and it's clear that Zoro was MVP as fuck during that section, to the point where he can honestly just chill now if Oda wanted him to
As for his injuries, we'll see what Chopper does, but Zoro literally just tanked what is probably the strongest attack in the series. And you can bring up Luffy as a counterargument, but the obvious difference is that Zoro was explicitly pointed out to have broken a lot of his bones, and is heavily bandaged. So regardless of how durable One Piece characters tend to be, this is our visual signifier that Zoro got fucked up. Luffy in comparison just got knocked out again, but we've already seen him bounce back from that before. Also... he doesn't have regular bones like Zoro does anyhow lmao
So yea, I dunno, we'll see how it goes with Chopper. But I can't deny that part plus Sanji and Zoro doing the whole Zou callback means nothing is truly impossible. It'd be hella greedy of Oda, but I guess we're used to that at this point lol
Having Kanjuro achieve his dream and getting a fitting death makes me wanna take another look on how things might shake out for Kaido...
This makes alot of sense because you need those in the crew to share the story to future generations. You need someone there to help share the Laughing Tale after it's all said and done.
I mostly just find it extremely weird that King has gotten so little screentime and development compared to Queen. Like someone said earlier that people wanting Zoro vs. King are asking for a fight with no buildup which is true, but that's also because basically anyone vs. King would be a fight with no buildup right now, except for Perospero I guess lol. King's done very little except give orders and fight Marco, while Queen has like personally made himself the enemy of most of the people on Onigashima right now. Really makes me wonder what King's ultimate role is going to be or if he's even going to have much of a role at all.
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- Disappointed Chopper didn't get to keep fighting with Queen to the end and is now back to "doctoring" in the case of Zoro, after having so many great moments after defeating the virus/his initial attack on Queen. On the other hand Sanji's entrance was nice here taking down Perospero as well. Plus with how Queen was talking about Sanji and Judge earlier in the arc, this meeting/fight had to happen sooner or later.
-In regards to Kaido and Kinemon, in general it's really hard to care about the Scabbards anymore after so many fake outs from Oda this arc, from Kanjuro's original death to coming back to life and not really doing anything beyond trolling the Scabbards with Oden, to Orochi coming back only to be "killed" again just as quickly without doing anything significant ("yet" I suppose if he comes back again). To be honest once this arc is over this will be my main "negative" about the entire thing and how it was written/IMO thinking the Scabbards/Kanjuro's stories would have been better with no fake outs.
-Monosuke announcing Luffy is still alive along with everyone's reactions was good. I would have liked if Oda had let Kaido's original announcement last another chapter or two/kept drama like Chopper being upset going a little longer though, along with how Luffy was getting rescued.
-My second highlight beyond Sanji attacking Queen was Yamato finally reaching Kaido/Yamato getting a one on one with Kaido. Besides wanting to see more of Yamato in action, Oda can show off more of Kaido's power here before Luffy returns without the "one sideness" Luffy vs Kaido felt most of the time in regards to Luffy showing his growth.
-Overall: Minus the overall feelings on the Scabbards, the chapter was fine. I'm looking forward to seeing Yamato vs Kaido.
- Disappointed Chopper didn't get to keep fighting with Queen to the end and is now back to "doctoring" in the case of Zoro, after having so many great moments after defeating the virus/his initial attack on Queen. On the other hand Sanji's entrance was nice here taking down Perospero as well. Plus with how Queen was talking about Sanji and Judge earlier in the arc, this meeting/fight had to happen sooner or later.
-In regards to Kaido and Kinemon, in general it's really hard to care about the Scabbards anymore after so many fake outs from Oda this arc, from Kanjuro's original death to coming back to life and not really doing anything beyond trolling the Scabbards with Oden, to Orochi coming back only to be "killed" again just as quickly without doing anything significant ("yet" I suppose if he comes back again). To be honest once this arc is over this will be my main "negative" about the entire thing and how it was written/IMO thinking the Scabbards/Kanjuro's stories would have been better with no fake outs.
-Monosuke announcing Luffy is still alive along with everyone's reactions was good. I would have liked if Oda had let Kaido's original announcement last another chapter or two/kept drama like Chopper being upset going a little longer though, along with how Luffy was getting rescued.
-My second highlight beyond Sanji attacking Queen was Yamato finally reaching Kaido/Yamato getting a one on one with Kaido. Besides wanting to see more of Yamato in action, Oda can show off more of Kaido's power here before Luffy returns without the "one sideness" Luffy vs Kaido felt most of the time in regards to Luffy showing his growth.
-Overall: Minus the overall feelings on the Scabbards, the chapter was fine. I'm looking forward to seeing Yamato vs Kaido.
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Can't even be 100% sure of this until the arc is over because of the previous fake outs.
I mean, I recognize Zoro had him his hype as hell moment... But a couple of things bother me about that being it. The first of which is that while he scarred Kaido and fought alongside Luffy, we've not really gotten an indication of much impact that's actually had on Kaido from a damage perspective beyond it being a scar. If Zoro's attack had more clearly put Kaido in a disadvantaged state, I'd be more inclined to agree but Kaido just seems to have taken it like everything else. Zoro did some great stuff, but if his BIG contribution is against Kaido, it still feels a little unresolved as a plot point to me (which if a weakened Zoro comes back in to assist a potential Luffy/Luffy and Yamato against Kaido, I'm also more OK with this).
The other thing like I said is that it feels like you have the Monster Trio setup for their biggest post timeskip wins except for Zoro, who again, seems to be saddled with the support role only. Like defeating an opponent is a much bigger feat in the One Piece world relative to damaging an opponent and you potentially have Sanji beating Queen in a 1 vs 1 while Luffy is going to be the one to 1 vs 1 Kaido and finally break the old adage of "Always bet on Kaido in a 1 vs 1". There feels like an absence there for Zoro despite all of his rooftop achievements if we're supposed to be re-emphasizing the Monster Trio as the core of the crew's fighting prowess. Especially with everything Zoro and Sanji keep getting this arc with their usual banter.
And much like death in One Piece, injury in One Piece tends to not mean a whole hell of a lot honestly and that also is kind of suspect to me. Like, we are coming off of an arc where Luffy had a massive hole punched in his abdomen from one of Katakuri's strongest attacks and it barely made a difference in the fight from the perspective of Luffy not even being out for more than a few seconds/minutes at most (I know Katakuri stabbed himself later to even things up, but the point is Luffy took one of the most graphic injuries since Akainu blew a hole in his chest and it really didn't put him out of commission). And how did Luffy come back from that? He slept for a little while, Chopper patched him up, and drink some milk to fix his bones after having just survived through it to beat Katakuri.
And I guess, from a narrative perspective, there's a few things that also feel unresolved. Zoro using Conqueror's Haki is one thing, but him recognizing it as a power he can use still feels like it needs to happen in a big way this arc even if it's not mastery of the power. Sort of how Luffy gained upgrades to Haki in his arc and began showing progress on them within the same arc. Plus, again, I cannot get over just how suspect King being largely sidelined is. I can't think of any other time we've seen a second in command get this sidelined, let alone someone like King who should arguably be a massive character in this raid. He's literally what, the third strongest after Kaido and Big Mom for the antagonists? Having him and Marco fight largely off screen just feels super odd even by Wano's tendency to off screen major events. Especially when Marco feels like he's kind of passing the torch to the next generation to begin with...
Like I get that it's greedy, I get that Zoro already had some huge moments that are among his best in the series, and I get that Marco has to do something. I won't really dispute any of that, but there's just enough narrative threads and curiosity for me to think it's the end game for Zoro here. Maybe Marco needs to weaken King some alongside Kawamatsu and Izo for it to work on a semi healed Zoro, but I think King is a big chess piece who has largely gone unused for this whole raid.
But also who knows, this is also the same Oda who decided that Robin's best use in Dressrosa was protecting Rebecca from an unrelated Diamante attack and catching Hakuba once, so I dunno, sometimes Oda just doesn't use characters that much so maybe King just goes the way of a Doflaming executive who we ultimately don't learn much about or care much about and I'm seeing a setup that isn't real.
I find it crazy that people thought Kanjuro was really dead before when we have seen paint clones of himself die or now or that Orochi is dead when he is beheaded when his mythology is literally you have to remove all his heads. It's not trolling and if people think so they must never of read bleach weekly.
This shit was a god damn troll, the first two arcs of bleach being good was also a troll to trap people into thinking bleach would be good and I am still mad about it.
I have always been that person. This chapter actually reminded me all the way back on punk hazzard being hype that a father and son duo were joining the crew! lol!
I miss the Bleach memes sometimes.I find it crazy that people thought Kanjuro was really dead before when we have seen paint clones of himself die or now or that Orochi is dead when he is beheaded when his mythology is literally you have to remove all his heads. It's not trolling and if people think so they must never of read bleach weekly.
This shit was a god damn troll, the first two arcs of bleach being good was also a troll to trap people into thinking bleach would be good and I am still mad about it.
She can be the stowaway since I guess they need someone to eat grass on the Sunny to keep it trimmed.
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Between how "on-screen" all of it's been, combined with weird stuff like introducing their graves at the start of the arc and that one page about the fire festival, I'm starting to lean towards the scabbards, or at least some, actually going down for good.
Gimme that Kaido/Yams flashback. I want it so bad. I want it to be about both of them with some Rocks on the side but not as the main point of it.
Sanji fans must be freaking out now after this chapter. Sanji vs Queen has finally been memed into existence. lol
But seriously, the way he kicked Queen so hard that his head spun and deflected all the arrows while also hitting Perospero is one of the coolest fighting choreography scenes in all of Wano.
Sanji saving Chopper and reassuring him of Luffy's return reminded of when he saved Usopp from Jabra and said this:
Kinemon just barely poking Kaido with his broken blade in one last moment to delay him was powerful. We've been with Kin and Momo for hundreds of chapters and it's crazy to see how far we've come. The brief flashback between Momo and him was touching.
Now, as great as a fitting end this would be for him, I just don't think Kin is dead here...at least, not yet. He still has to see Otsuru again. And unless Oda goes all-in on the ghost stuff Greg has been theorizing on, he'll get back up soon. EVEN THOUGH A STAB THROUGH THE TORSO SHOULD KILL lol
The voice that Momo heard was....LUFFY!
The Voice of All Things is definitely telepathy-based, that's confirmed. Luffy must have known that his thoughts would reach Momo. Man, this moment was so damn cool!
It's still not 100% clear if VOAT is a different branch of Observation Haki or not.
Zeus Lives!!....in Nami's Clima-Tact?? I didn't see this coming. I thought Zeus would rematerialize in Hera but it seems some of that soul got fused into the Clima-Tact now. Does this mean Zeus can enhance all of Nami's weather techniques and not just cloud-based ones? We'll have to wait and see.
Yamato and Kaido finally cross paths. This is gonna be juicy. I've been anticipating their flashback(s) since last year.
King is such a nothing character right now so I'm invoking the power of complaining to give him some character next chapter.
So do we figure that Law's crew can hear Luffy because someone on the crew has VOAT or can other people just hear Luffy if they're close?
I love moments like these for Sanji. Helping and fighting for his crew really brings out the best of his character.Sanji saving Chopper and reassuring him of Luffy's return reminded of when he saved Usopp from Jabra and said this:
Really enjoyed this chapter. Yamato vs Kaido hype is great, hopefully we get a DF reveal soon. I'm mostly curious about how Luffy was talking to others underwater, whether it was the voice of all things like others here have said or not.
I wonder if they didn't hear him at all and only know about the situation because Bepo told them through a transponder snail or something
Yeah, I don't think I'd be pushing King vs Zoro nearly as hard if it wasn't for the fact that King is barely ahead Who's Who in terms of character moments whose appeared on panel for all of like 10 pages total maybe. It's going to be wild if he never gets anything and just gets largely off screened by Marco while Jack has been setup as at threat for 200+ chapters and Queen has been chewing the scenery through most of Wano.
Just learned that Rotissere is the style of cooking where the main ingredients spin around. Goda.
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What would Queen taste like?Just learned that Rotissere is the style of cooking where the main ingredients spin around. Goda.
Queen also started to steal Sanji's gimmick of talking about how an opponent would taste. Sanji's 100% going to tell us exactly how to cook a Brachiosaurus by the end of this fight lolJust learned that Rotissere is the style of cooking where the main ingredients spin around. Goda.
All birds are dinosaurs, but not all dinosaurs are birds.
Who knows what Brachiosaurus tasted like
I now realize I haven't eaten a bird other than chicken or a rare turkey in my life.
He kicked him once and pushed his head forward with enough force to cause it to spin.
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What's the prediction on where Izo and Kawamatsu will be? They were right beside Sanji originally.
Maybe with some scabbards freed up it would actually make sense for some of the big mom pirates to enter?
Maybe with some scabbards freed up it would actually make sense for some of the big mom pirates to enter?
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