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11 for me and ICLN :P
it was supposed to be my safe longterm play that had decent potential to go up and at most should just dip a bit in the short term :P
I'm really kicking myself too because I had a limit order price no higher than $28 for CWEN, and now it's hovering below $26 😩

Tis what happens when you chase the hype train. Should've just stuck with my gut and waited.
 

MrBob

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GME down 10%, that's good to see.

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I love these posts 😈

Why is PLTR bleeding?

Glad I got out of ICLN and PLUG before it was too late, but I'm bag holding BB and PLTR lol

Time to concentrate more on boomer stocks then
Valuation. It is still like a 35 billion dollar valuation. Upcoming earnings will definitely tell us if it is worth this valuation or not. The fact the stock has been bludgeoned since earnings may help. Or it might not haha. Earnings always a roll of the dice.

I'm still waiting for about 14-16, might split the difference and start getting in again at 15 it it gets there. If not, don't really care hah. There are a plenty non tech non growth stocks that look great at the moment.

Interest rates keep going up, or the big players in the market think they will, hyper growth high valuation companies will still get hit. The thing is though it seems like the big players are now trying to front run this move up, whether it happens or not. So if everyone starts freaking out about two percent interest rates, when we get to 2% and hyper growth are still getting hit I would think we are getting closer to a bottom in these stocks.

If we somehow moon to like 3%, or higher, then all bets are off.
 
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TheWorthyEdge

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I love these posts 😈


Valuation. It is still like a 35 billion dollar valuation. Upcoming earnings will definitely tell us if it is worth this valuation or not. The fact the stock has been bludgeoned since earnings may help. Or it might not haha. Earnings always a roll of the dice.

Interest rates keep going up, or the big players in the market think they will, hyper growth high valuation companies will still get hit. The thing is though it seems like the big players are now trying to front run this move up, whether it happens or not. So if everyone starts freaking out about two percent interest rates, when we get to 2% and hyper growth are still getting hit I would think we are getting closer to a bottom in these stocks.

So you're thinking that when the 2% interest rate does come into play it'll already be priced in?
 

zulux21

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I'm really kicking myself too because I had a limit order price no higher than $28 for CWEN, and now it's hovering below $26 😩

Tis what happens when you chase the hype train. Should've just stuck with my gut and waited.
I should've just put it all in oil and T like I thought about because of the high dividends :P Instead I put half of my money (for that time not all my money) into safe ICLN and two gambles BB and NOK instead of T and Oil that I was looking at

T is up $2-3 from 29.5 to around 32.5 since when I bought ICLN and oil in general is up like 30-40%.

Wish I had bought more SHLX (I bought it the next month). It's paid out two .46 a share dividends to me since I paid 11.16 a share for it a few months ago and it's around $15 right now :P

It's what's saving me from ICLN because I put equal amounts in ICLN and SHLX and have made roughly what I lost from ICLN on SHLX lol
 

MrBob

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So you're thinking that when the 2% interest rate does come into play it'll already be priced in?
Yeah, because it seems like the sell offs are happening now in anticipation. At least that's my take, could be wrong and not really factoring a much bigger move above 2%.

I'm basically watching the QQQ and ARK K closely, because they are both teetering on the edge at the moment.

Overall though if we are getting an economic recovery, still believe the value tilt and/or reopening stocks will do better. If the reopening fails though, these stocks will get crushed.
 
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TheWorthyEdge

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Yeah, because it seems like the sell offs are happening now in anticipation. At least that's my take, could be wrong and not really factoring a bigger move above 2%.

If that's the case though I feel like they would've waited until the Fed hints that it's coming soon. Not sure...I think they would want to ride the wave as long as possible before Fed introduces the 2% rates. Just my take. I think it's just a cyclical thing for now. With the fuel line crisis I can only imagine people took their profits from tech gains due to reopening to energy stocks for a quick buck but I really don't know. Just a guess. Also the whole "sell in May" mantra.
 

Neo C.

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I'm glad that I waited instead of FOMO'ed into tech. Decided to wait for the earning reports before considering pltr, or maybe I should increase my ttcf position.
 

MrBob

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If that's the case though I feel like they would've waited until the Fed hints that it's coming soon. Not sure...I think they would want to ride the wave as long as possible before Fed introduces the 2% rates. Just my take. I think it's just a cyclical thing for now. With the fuel line crisis I can only imagine people took their profits from tech gains due to reopening to energy stocks for a quick buck but I really don't know. Just a guess. Also the whole "sell in May" mantra.
This is definitely possible too. Hard to know the exact reason for certain

I believe the bigger players are looking at higher interest rates and then projecting the fed will have to move. Markets are typically forward looking mechanisms that don't usually wait for the actual announcement to move on it. Unless it's a black swan no one saw coming. Once the announcement is made, not all of it might be priced in, but usually a lot of it is. Worst case scenario would definitely be the big players double dipping the drop on the ramifications of interest rates charging higher.

It might just be profit taking too, to sell these and go into reopening and value stocks instead. The QQQ doubled from the March 2020 bottom. Many individual growth stocks, even more. In an actual economic reopening, reopening and value stocks should still work better. Many value stocks, and reopening stocks, are just getting closer to their Feb 2020 crash high now. Where growth went way above these levels already.

When there is a huge thrust off a major bottom like last year, year two after huge move the previous year usually has some give back. Then moving higher the next year. Almost seems like this is playing out once more.

Ultimately though I'm just watching sectors to see how they are performing to base any stock purchase that are either in these sectors or trade similar to these sectors. So many individual sectors look over extended, and can stay over extended, but when they turn it usually isn't pretty. Perhaps ARK K rolling over first was the warning sign for the rest of the market. The charts always tell the true story, whether we are going higher or lower. For example, if ARK K starts turning it around for a sustained uptrend, this is signaling to me the hyper growth trade could be back on. Or when the XLI eventually rolls over, a lot of companies inside this ETF will roll over with it.

Edit:. We will have to see what tomorrow brings but looking at Wynn earnings, seems like the market is giving it slack on a double miss off of low expectations. Versus growth companies like Apple and Amazon who have the best earnings ever and the stock still goes down. Imagine if they had missed. 👀

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Wynn Resorts Rises on Narrowed Loss, Mobile-Gaming SPAC Plan

Casino operator Wynn Resorts narrowed its first-quarter net loss and plans to merge its mobile-gaming division with a blank-check company.

Likely due to the improved conditions incoming over the six months. When things go from very bad to less bad, it can help move a stock hah.
 
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MrBob

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Since I've seen a couple comments on Palantir selling off, I took a quick look at the chart and will try to explain why it keeps selling of on a technical level. The TLDR is it keeps breaking support level areas on the various charts on different time frames. The easiest way to show this is to do a top down look. Starting with the monthly chart, then weekly, then daily chart, and finally two hour chart. The support levels are color coded. So the monthly support levels are the yellow lines. The weekly support level is the green line. The daily support levels are the white lines. These support levels should be taken as general areas of support. Not necessarily to the exact penny.

First off, let us start with the monthly chart:

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From the monthly chart, you can see see how Palantir was initially under 11.25 the first couple months. Then it shot up to around 35 in the third month. Topped out in the fifth month and started falling from there. Focus on the fifth month candle, which has the blue arrow near the 22.50 price yellow line. That 22.50 price is basically the low price of that fifth month candle. The month right after the fifth month had the huge red candle, and notice how the selling stopped near the low of that fifth month candle. That is because the low was a support area. The next couple months after it fought to stay above 22.50. It spiked below a couple times, but closed over that 22.50 level. However, this month it finally broke below 22.50 and all the previous month lows (with the seventh month candle lowest low around 20 dollars). Now beneath all these previous month lows, there is no support left but open space. Until we reach about about 11.25, which is way lower.

To get a better look with more candles, time to zoom in one level and go to the weekly chart next:

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From the weekly chart, you can see even more how the stock fought the 22.50 level, trying to stay above it. Below 22.50 support on the monthly chart, we see another support level on the weekly chart. Which is the green line at 18.57. The closing price today was 18.47, however since this is a weekly chart, the weekly close is the most important aspect. So whether Palantir closes above or below 18.57 by Friday will be important. Once again, look at the open space between about 18.57 and 11.25. There still isn't much support here.

Now to zoom in one level closer to the daily chart to get a more detailed view with more candles:

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Again, you can see how the stock fought hard to stay above that 22.50 level, and once it was lost it basically went into freefall. Having zoomed into this daily chart, I can find a couple more potential support levels. At 17.85, 16.18, 14.50, and 12.10. These were basically areas that the stock consolidated sideways for awhile and then broke out from. My golden buy is the 14.50 target. I don't know if we get there, but if we do this is an area I'll probably hop in. While also recognizing there could still be some downside risk all the way down to 12 dollars. Wouldn't be my expectation, but it is always possible once support levels are broken. I could also make a decent argument for a bottom around 16 too.

Overall, I don't normally like to add all these potential support levels so close to each other on the daily chart. It is basically overkill. However, when a chart has this much open space on it, this makes it much harder to find support levels. So in a way it actually a good exercise to look at because there could be many potential support areas in close proximity.

Finally, I will zoom in on a two hour chart on the left hand side ( by the two left hand side arrows) to reconfirm these support areas are important:

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As you can see, these levels seem to be pretty important since you see the chart consolidate under these levels, break out above them, and then back test in the vicinity.

Now this isn't the only metric to use to find buying opportunities (You really want to have three reasons to take any trade). Some break out level areas are more important than others, due to various factors. But it is good first step to look for these break out area levels because you are trying to hone in on where the stock can bottom out.
 
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Great post MrBob, thanks.

If PLTR moves up, that $21 range looks like potential resistance. We can see it back tested to there in early Dec, then dropped to nearly $20 in early March and closed over $21, then it bounced higher from there in late March twice, then finally in early May bounced higher from there again and then the next time it gave up, plunging lower. Looking higher than $21, that low $23 range also looks like resistance with that red trendline of lower highs, which also lines up with the 50ma currently.

5mmTTFp1
 

Saucycarpdog

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Probably gonna end up taking my money out of Amazon and investing in something else.

Watch them do a stock split the day after I take my money out.
 

Scotch

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Dear lord, bad start of the day in Europe. Even my bank and oil stocks are now plunging.

I'm seriously considering getting out of this market while I still have some profits left. Sell in May and go away.
 

Shadout

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Dear lord, bad start of the day in Europe. Even my bank and oil stocks are now plunging.

I'm seriously considering getting out of this market while I still have some profits left. Sell in May and go away.
Same. Starting to hurt. This is definitely in the running to be my worst day of the year if US futures hold.
 

Xando

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Dear lord, bad start of the day in Europe. Even my bank and oil stocks are now plunging.

I'm seriously considering getting out of this market while I still have some profits left. Sell in May and go away.
Looks like the hedgefunds fleeing tech have taken the whole market with them
 

zulux21

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premarket looks rough today.
$15 double down price point for ICLN is looking more and more realistic >.>
 

Xando

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Going by the stock action since late january maybe Elon should focus a bit more on Tesla than whatever meme currency is flavor of the month
 

Xeno-V

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Is it reasonable to assume that Square at ~200 and Paypal at ~230 sound quite tempting?
I am thinking that it could be a good time to diversify a bit what I already have in this sector (Visa/Mastercard).
 

Gpsych

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Ouch. Almost all of my profits for the year wiped out in 2 days (assuming futures hold today). Still a little ahead but man, it's rough.
 

kazinova

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Sitting on a decent pile of cash to buy back in at the low. Keeping dropping baybee! (Except for my sold puts, I guess I'll roll those bad boys)
 

Tom Penny

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Why is the market crashing? I have tried to buy Baba many times..I hope I finally can.
 
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Eggiem

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I'm stunned by the red. Apple at 101€. Even worse Tesla at 477€. And look at PLUG. Down 12% today. ICLN -5%.

What happened?
 

EQLibriM

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at least the markets shows healthy signs again, without the eternal upwards swing of multiple percentages each month
 

lt519

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If tech can't hold today it might have another 5-10% to go which is really bad for these hyper growth stocks. QQQ below it's 100 DMA in pre-market but if it can rally for a close above I'd be pretty bullish. If it falls and stays below next support is ~303.

300 seems more likely of the two for me, but I'll still buy a bit here and then more at 300.
 

Smash-It Stan

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I'm stunned by the red. Apple at 101€. Even worse Tesla at 477€. And look at PLUG. Down 12% today. ICLN -5%.

What happened?
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TheWorthyEdge

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Oct 25, 2017
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I welcome this red to be honest. I want to buy all the AAPL I can get. Off their best Q2 earnings ever and down by so much? Let me buy please.
 

chuckddd

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Feel like I timed my sell off better than I've ever timed the market. Now I'm scared I didn't sell enough.
 
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