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The Coalition's Xbox Series X|S's Unreal Engine 5 Demo Is Just the Tip of the Iceberg
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So excited to see how tech evolves this gen. We're already getting some amazing looking games that leverage hardware features better than I expected at 60fps and this is only the first year of the gen. I'm so happy with the hardware that we've gotten and am pumped for the future.
It's incredible how they've gone from first showing ue4 to Gears 5 especially Hive Busters. The best UE4 game I've seen. That expansion seriously looked like a launch nextgen game
now they can actually do the original lighting, but they skipped over that for a ray tracing based solution
Hivebusters looked like a next gen game. Cant wait to see what this team does in 3-5 years time with UE5
It took a while before we got games that were really a gen apart, but the slow creep towards those visuals made it less impactful when we did eventually get them. Not so this gen!
I was also underwhelmed with the PS4/XB1 jump but honestly I'm pretty underwhelmed with this jump as well. PS3/360 was the last big jump, ever since then, it feels like we're just on a slow steady climb in eyecandy, VR gave me that huge jump "holy sh*t" feeling but that's fore entirely different reasons.
Are you sure this isn't just nostalgia? The 360/PS3 jump was met with disappointment too -- Xbox 1.5, wallguy etc
Personally, I think this gen has already proven to be a big leap out of the game, cross-gen limitations aside
The wizardry The Coalition performed with Gears 5 on a base Xbox One was super impressive. I can't wait to see what their Series X game looks like.
Why is this an issue? We all know we're in the realm of diminishing returns now, so it's not surprising to see it playing out this way. The longer we go the less noticeable it'll be. That's nothing to be underwhelmed over. Besides it's stuff like SSD's and cloud-assisted rendering plus more sophisticated AI and physics that should be championed. The console wars are winding down and regardless of what is said both Sony and MS know it.
The jump in quality was still rather mild in comparison to evolution of UE3. Compare OG Gears on X360 to Gears Judgment, and the latter not only looks a generation ahead, but runs better to boot.
The Coalition are pretty efficient, and they've had a big chunk of time since Gears 5 to write the storyline and prototype a sequel. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Gears 6 lands in 2023, which would be a four year gap since Gears 5.
A jump to Killzone Shadowfall and Infamous Second Son was gigantic.
The benefit of having an established Unreal developer like the Coalition and how closely they work with both MS and Epic means that they can be at the forefront of improving the engines and software capabilities on both sides as they go. These are all new things dropping at the same time, so there will be a period of learning and growing. Good to see the coalition putting these things through their paces, and clearly giving feedback on both sides to improve the experience for everyone. Love to see it. And I expect to see those learnings trickle down to other XGS studios and to the wider dev community, as well.
Despite Sony's investment in Epic, MS is the platform that utilizes Unreal the most deeply across its organization.
Despite Sony's investment in Epic, MS is the platform that utilizes Unreal the most deeply across its organization.
So far, we only know it's UE4, according to some Linkedin profiles. It might have upgraded to UE5, we'll know sometime.
I wouldn't be. An open world game in the scope of The Elder Scrolls wouldn't look like that at all. The Coalition are technical wizards with linear games, yes, but they've never made big open world RPGs, which presents completely different challenges.
yup. they really are. and this quote got me hyped for their next project
I played both of those games upon release and they did not feel like a massive leap over The Last of Us on PS3 to me. The Order was the first time I felt a noticeable leap but with the 360/PS3 gen I was being continuously floored by titles left and right. Even lesser known launch titles like Condemned were mind blowing to me and all throughout the early part of that gen we were getting games like Gears, Heavenly Sword, Bioshock, etc. that were all jaw droppers.
Sony's investment wasn't just for video games, but integration into other artistic pipelines, like movies and concerts
I never said it was an issue. It was just an observation. I'm actually more engaged with gaming now than I've been in a long time. I'm basically just saying the same you said in other words.
I don't think it's nostalgia. I've been gaming since the Atari 2600 and have fairly clear memories of games that wowed me visually. I remember going crazy when I played Shenmue and looking at the trees and marveling that the tree had individual leaves or when I first played Bioshock and had the famous moment where you think you're still watching a cutscene and realize that your character is in the water and you can control them and that fire raging in the background and the reflections on the water are real time. I had no moments on that scale with the PS4 and on this gen it's even less.
I don't understand how anyone can really think this is a big jump especially since the PS4 Pro and One X bridged the gap and lessened the impact that these visuals could have had otherwise. It's not like I'm disappointed. I expected this and I know I will play many great looking games in the coming years but I just have not seen a noticeable visual jump yet and I think those jumps are going to be much more subtle going forward.
Was a bit surprised to see texture pop-in at 0:40 in the first video, at the bottom of the fountain where the spout is. Really jumped out at me on my first watch.
Otherwise, it looked stunning. Raytracing is absolutely incredible.
Otherwise, it looked stunning. Raytracing is absolutely incredible.
I have high hopes for this gen. Last gen really didn't move the needle forward in terms of pushing new design concepts through tech leaps.
I feel that not a lot of devs push in that direction anymore, instead spending all the horse power resources on rendering fidelity, build on top of 'tried and true' ideas, instead if figuring out interesting new concepts that possible new features.
As an example. Valve used to do this big time with the Half-life series. A lot of devs did in that period. The most recent pushes in design though tech leap is maybe Shadow of Mordor series (more available ram permitted it's Nemesis concept) and Zelda BOTW (With Nintendo's first tri-core CPU above 1Ghz: Finally having realtime shadows and physics for dynamic player-driven puzzles, possibly to more entities in a single drawcall, etc)
For this gen, don't know what to expect but I hope they figure out ways of utilizing this leap with designs not possible on older gen. Ratchet and Clank was kinda let down for me. Because even with it's NVME steaming leap used for quick asset swaps, it's still the same PS2 formula underneath without a fundamental rethink really (like BOTW for example)
I feel that not a lot of devs push in that direction anymore, instead spending all the horse power resources on rendering fidelity, build on top of 'tried and true' ideas, instead if figuring out interesting new concepts that possible new features.
As an example. Valve used to do this big time with the Half-life series. A lot of devs did in that period. The most recent pushes in design though tech leap is maybe Shadow of Mordor series (more available ram permitted it's Nemesis concept) and Zelda BOTW (With Nintendo's first tri-core CPU above 1Ghz: Finally having realtime shadows and physics for dynamic player-driven puzzles, possibly to more entities in a single drawcall, etc)
For this gen, don't know what to expect but I hope they figure out ways of utilizing this leap with designs not possible on older gen. Ratchet and Clank was kinda let down for me. Because even with it's NVME steaming leap used for quick asset swaps, it's still the same PS2 formula underneath without a fundamental rethink really (like BOTW for example)
I agree, And not to be cynical in anyway. Visual fidelity increasing every gen is kinda a given nowadays. But what i'm really hoping for this gen, is solving legacy game-logic problems that are still rooted in the 7th gen (PS360). Like, limit number of entities on screen (due to deterministic single-threaded logic), or a more physically based world interaction instead of everything being context sensitive animation based.
When the fidelity of the visuals is getting better and better, the more you'll notice the archaic ways those worlds respond to our actions. I hope we see a leap on that front, even though i'm highly aware it's a way more difficult way of progress, compared to increasing visual fidelity.
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Sorry about that it read a bit different to me. My apologies!
