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Warner Bros. cooked its HBO Max subscriber numbers by as many as 10 million and misled shareholders in other ways that violate the Securities Act to complete its merger with Discovery, according to a class-action lawsuit that claims it could potentially represent "hundreds of thousands" of plaintiffs.

The lawsuit was filed last Friday in New York on behalf of the Collinsville Police Pension Board, an Illinois-based shareholder of Warner Bros. Discovery stock, which it accepted in trade for its pre-merger Class C common Discovery shares. At the time of the merger, Discovery shares were valued at $24.78; as of Tuesday, WBD shares were trading just above $11. The lawsuit names Warner Bros. Discovery, CEO David Zaslav, and CFO Gunnar Wiedenfels as defendants. WBD did not immediately respond to a request for comment. The lawsuit says that, among several other "adverse information" being kept hidden, the merging companies overstated the subscriber base for HBO Max:

"WarnerMedia was improvidently concentrating its investments in streaming and ignoring its other business lines … [and] overstated the number of subscribers to HBO Max by as many as 10 million subscribers, by including as subscribers AT&T customers who had received bundled access to HBO Max, but had not signed onto the service."

More than 700 million shares of WBD were issued to Discovery common and preferred shareholders pursuant to the merger, the lawsuit states, meaning "hundreds of thousands" of people could potentially join the federal securities class-action filed in a New York federal district court.

The lawsuit says "the Registration Statement and Prospectus and certain of the Defendants' other public statements, contained untrue statements of material fact or omitted to state material facts required to be stated therein or necessary to make the statements therein not misleading."

It also said "AT&T was overinvesting in WarnerMedia entertainment content for streaming, without sufficient concern for return on investments … WarnerMedia had a business model to grow the number of subscribers to its streaming service without regard to cost or profitability."

The plaintiff, a pension fund to benefit current and former police officers in Collinsville, Illinois, suggests that anyone who purchased WBD on the open market post-merger is qualified to join the lawsuit. It's seeking a jury trial for monetary damages, alleging three separate Securities and Exchange Commission violations.
 

Surakian

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Oct 27, 2017
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The bad news for WB never ends…but this time it was self-inflicted by them before Zaslav.
edit; got it
 

PlanetSmasher

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Oct 25, 2017
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So wait. Was WB doing this BEFORE the merger or is WBD doing it now after the merger?
 

Lord Fanny

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So wait. Was WB doing this BEFORE the merger or is WBD doing it now after the merger?

It's literally the first thing in the OP lol

Warner Bros. cooked its HBO Max subscriber numbers by as many as 10 million and misled shareholders in other ways that violate the Securities Act to complete its merger with Discovery, according to a class-action lawsuit that claims it could potentially represent "hundreds of thousands" of plaintiffs
 

mugurumakensei

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This seems likely to fail. It was known that ATT had a bundle deal with hbo max and those were included in the numbers. It's the same with comcast and peacock. This seems more like this pension fund doesn't like that it lost half its valuez
 

BWoog

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Oct 27, 2017
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Zaslav slashed and burn so much good will for $3 billion, causing them to lose so much more in the process.
 

Yerffej

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Oct 25, 2017
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Are they...trying to crash and burn it all? I swear its bad news after bad news event, week after week.

Disney: Shit, I just gotta sit here and watch the competition eat itself. Life is good.
 

Auros01

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Nov 17, 2017
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So, the lawsuit is just seeking monetary damages? What would the best case here be based on other similar cases? Is this just going to end up being a slap on the wrist for WBD?
 

mrmoose

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So those numbers are going to come way down once AT&T stops giving free subscriptions, right (since they are no longer owned by the same company)?
 

kmfdmpig

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Oct 25, 2017
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This seems likely to fail. It was known that ATT had a bundle deal with hbo max and those were included in the numbers. It's the same with comcast and peacock. This seems more like this pension fund doesn't like that it lost half its valuez
Bundles are so common as well. I get Disney+ because of Verizon. I'm sure D+ is still counting me as a subscriber, howerver.
 
Oct 30, 2017
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I mean, I have a hard time of them not knowing subscribers also included ATT bundled services.

And this...

"AT&T was overinvesting in WarnerMedia entertainment content for streaming, without sufficient concern for return on investments … WarnerMedia had a business model to grow the number of subscribers to its streaming service without regard to cost or profitability."

...is like every other company investing into a big streaming platform.
 

medinaria

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This seems likely to fail. It was known that ATT had a bundle deal with hbo max and those were included in the numbers. It's the same with comcast and peacock. This seems more like this pension fund doesn't like that it lost half its valuez

this is literally exactly what it is, they're trying to find a way to wiggle out of the losses they took on the stock by alleging they were "misled". bundling is very common, counting those people as subscriptions is normal, basically everything alleged here seems totally anodyne
 

Lord Fanny

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the text is not clear, it talks about WarnerMedia which was the entity that was a thing before WBD, for all we know this could be WBD inheriting the mess that AT&T created.

The text is clear. They are just using the current name of the company in the headline. Any kind of lawsuit would still be brought against WarnerBros Discovery because that's what the company is now.
 

mugurumakensei

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Bundles are so common as well. I get Disney+ because of Verizon. I'm sure D+ is still counting me as a subscriber, howerver.
And from an ATT quarterly report
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Global HBO Max and HBO subscribers consist of domestic and international HBO Max and HBO subscribers, and exclude free trials, basic and Cinemax subscribers.

[SUP]7 [/SUP]Domestic HBO Max and HBO subscribers consist of U.S. accounts with access to HBO Max (including wholesale subscribers and subscribers receiving access through bundled services with affiliates that may not have signed in) and HBO accounts, and exclude free trials and Cinemax subscribers.
about.att.com

AT&T Reports First-Quarter Results

AT&T’s first-quarter earnings conference call will be webcast at 8:30 a.m. ET. Visit AT&T's investor relations website to view earnings-related materials.

I don't see how this doesn't get immediately tossed out during discovery phase alone.

Edit: Bolded the part that shows this was known information from quarterly results.
 

Kill3r7

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So, the lawsuit is just seeking monetary damages? What would the best case here be based on other similar cases? Is this just going to end up being a slap on the wrist for WBD?

Shareholder suits tend to either get thrown out early in process or settle. That's the bulk of all filings. Only about 5-7 percent actually go to trial.
 

Helix

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The text is clear. They are just using the current name of the company in the headline. Any kind of lawsuit would still be brought against WarnerBros Discovery because that's what the company is now.

sure, but Planet asked a valid question, the article itself mentions WarnerMedia and WBD. It just seemed confusing at first.
 

mrmoose

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Also, they're saying that this includes people who got HBO Max for free... and never even bothered to login. That may not be illegal based on how they did the earnings but if the numbers are that high, that's not good for them because you aren't converting those to paid subscribers ever. They can't even be bothered to watch for free.
 

Lord Fanny

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So... Just to be clear. This is AT&T's fault? Not Zsalav's?

It would depend on who knew what and who did what in the merger. Zsalav is named as one of the defendants

sure, but Planet asked a valid question, the article itself mentions WarnerMedia and WBD. It just seemed confusing at first.

Well, any confusion would have been clear by reading the first paragraph, which is why I pointed it out. That clearly states this was done to "complete the merger." Can't be done to complete a merger if the merger is already done lol.
 

Aiqops

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So them possibly losing a ton of more money means even more projects getting deleted cause of tax cuts etc?
 

mugurumakensei

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Also, they're saying that this includes people who got HBO Max for free... and never even bothered to login. That may not be illegal based on how they did the earnings but if the numbers are that high, that's not good for them because you aren't converting those to paid subscribers ever. They can't even be bothered to watch for free.

And from an ATT quarterly report

about.att.com

AT&T Reports First-Quarter Results

AT&T’s first-quarter earnings conference call will be webcast at 8:30 a.m. ET. Visit AT&T's investor relations website to view earnings-related materials.

I don't see how this doesn't get immediately tossed out during discovery phase alone.

Edit: Bolded the part that shows this was known information from quarterly results.

[SUP]6 [/SUP]Global HBO Max and HBO subscribers consist of domestic and international HBO Max and HBO subscribers, and exclude free trials, basic and Cinemax subscribers.

[SUP]7 [/SUP]Domestic HBO Max and HBO subscribers consist of U.S. accounts with access to HBO Max (including wholesale subscribers and subscribers receiving access through bundled services with affiliates that may not have signed in) and HBO accounts, and exclude free trials and Cinemax subscribers.

Yes this is known information. The shareholders cannot claim they were unaware.
 

Chaos Legion

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Zaslav almost walked away from the deal because AT&T was playing fast and loose, it was reported.
 

mugurumakensei

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It would depend on who knew what and who did what in the merger. Zsalav is named as one of the defendants
Well if he didn't read ATT's quarterly reports, I guess they could have a lawsuit against the board for not doing due diligence. However, this information wasn't hidden at the time of shareholder voting.
 

mugurumakensei

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Did lawyers fuck up?Aren't they supposed to find these discrepancies?
What discrepancies? All of the things called out in the lawsuit are in ATT's financial disclosures.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Global HBO Max and HBO subscribers consist of domestic and international HBO Max and HBO subscribers, and exclude free trials, basic and Cinemax subscribers.

[SUP]7 [/SUP]Domestic HBO Max and HBO subscribers consist of U.S. accounts with access to HBO Max (including wholesale subscribers and subscribers receiving access through bundled services with affiliates that may not have signed in) and HBO accounts, and exclude free trials and Cinemax subscribers.

Unless you meant the shareholders lawyers and failure to request more data?