True solution is to have proper anti-cheat, server side.
End result is the same though.
End result is the same though.
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With how rampant cheating is on PC especially for multiplayer shooter, should PC crossplay even be a thing?
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How is dashboarding to avoid losses the same as someone using an aimbot?
The end result and user experience is wildly different.
Make it opt-in. Also make gyro & flick stick an option for PlayStation & Switch so they can better keep up with PC players.
That was for Apex Legends.
To be honest, I think this website really exaggerates the prevalence of cheating on the PC. I ran into more hackers playing CoD4, MW2, and Halo 2 on the xbox/xbox 360 than I have on PC games.
They were abusing penalties of it to play against much lower skilled players, so they can easily instantly wipe them all out.
Because pc players don't have a choice about playing against other pc players but console players do? Seems pretty obvious.
It's smurfing, which really isn't the end of the world IMO. Someone better than me joining my game and being better isn't really that huge of a problem... Now some dude seeing every player through walls with instant headshot lock-ons, speedhacks, no clipping etc etc... that's a completely different story.
To answer your question:
No, I don't think crossplay should be removed for a good reason: How will people complain about """cheaters""" when they cant take a loss ?
No, I don't think crossplay should be removed for a good reason: How will people complain about """cheaters""" when they cant take a loss ?
I have only ever encountered cheating in console games tbh. That I'm aware of, of course.
Those PC players should still be up in arms and complaining about the lack of proper measures then - and while I'm sure that happens - we never seem to hear about it on the same scale considering that they should be encountering these cheats pretty much every time they play, no? Are you saying PC players are just so used to it that they no longer care and just shrug and get on with it?
Durante used to keep a log of how many cheaters he'd encounter in Dark Souls which was apparently rampant with them. It wasn't people just saw videos and assumed that was how it always was.. He had well over 100 pvp matches without any last time he posted about it.
Notice how people mostly bring them up in context of streamers.
As if streamers don't have giant ass griefer/troll targets on their backs because they're streamers.
Yeah I was going to say this. Cheaters target streamers so that that they get a public reaction. You can't use that as a metric of anything. The number of cheaters the average person encounters is going to be far less.
Apex has good measures to minimize streamsniping, and other devs should look at what they're doing.
Disabling pc cross play always feels like punishing the players because of the rich game companies inability or unwillingness to invest in better anti cheat.
Honestly i am always shocked how much of this community is willing to give rich companies an easy out and put the blame and consequences squarely on part of the player community on this subject.
Honestly i am always shocked how much of this community is willing to give rich companies an easy out and put the blame and consequences squarely on part of the player community on this subject.
I don't understand people saying that they'll be punished if crossplay is disabled. Like in what way will you be punished?
Warzone is a pain in the ass to play right now when every other match there's a dude with an aimbot shitting on the whole server.
I'm just glad that BF6 will give us the option to enable console only crossplay.
Warzone is a pain in the ass to play right now when every other match there's a dude with an aimbot shitting on the whole server.
I'm just glad that BF6 will give us the option to enable console only crossplay.
Lots of my friends complain about it but what are they going to do?
I think crossplay should be a thing, but anything that gives KB+M a huge advantage (like FPS and RTS games), there should at least be an Opt-in. Either that or have crossplay on inputs only (who's to say you can't let a PC player play with console players even if they use a controller, or vice versa with console and KB+M)
lol what are you talking about. I'm talking about play the same game that doesn't support cross play ( or with cross play opt out) on those two platform. You aren't going to tell me those people can fly in BF1/Fall Guys/PUBG because their use mouse/keyboard?
Even with games that has better anti cheat, like siege, cheating is way more rampant on PC. (And I have over 600 hours of siege played on PC so I can tell a good player apart from a cheater).
It's not about locking them out, but it's a fact that PC is open to much more cheating in games, and if you have the option to not put yourself in that position then why wouldn't you?
It's also not like there's no one to play with on PC anyway.
Via opt-in at the very least, but yes I still think the option to be able to play across with PC should exist.
I do personally hate encountering cheaters in online games but I'd still rather have the option to try and play with my brother and friends on PC, as a console player.
My hope is that ultimately, investment in anti-cheat can ramp up enough for this to not be a problem someday but I do know that that's a huge undertaking for any company... Would need a company that works around the clock to investigate and "solve" the issue and be able to push to a multitude of engines. Or, publishers/developers would need to have dedicated staff to do it on a per-game basis.
I do personally hate encountering cheaters in online games but I'd still rather have the option to try and play with my brother and friends on PC, as a console player.
My hope is that ultimately, investment in anti-cheat can ramp up enough for this to not be a problem someday but I do know that that's a huge undertaking for any company... Would need a company that works around the clock to investigate and "solve" the issue and be able to push to a multitude of engines. Or, publishers/developers would need to have dedicated staff to do it on a per-game basis.
Cheating isn't near as big an issue as console people think it is, it's just that now that Crossplay is a thing it's the first time console audiences are really exposed to it and with that comes the hackophobia where every death is blamed on cheating.
Yes, Warzone has a cheating problem, and that is because the game has fuck all for anti cheat.
Yes, Warzone has a cheating problem, and that is because the game has fuck all for anti cheat.
And what if my friends are playing on console and I want to play with them on PC?
What year is this? I thought we moved beyond treating PC players like second class citizens. No, OP, abandoning cross play which companies worked years to establish is not the solution that you think it is.
Should be opt-in, well it should be input based for shooters really. Nothing to do with cheating though, there's plenty of extremely popular and free MP games which don't have rampant cheating problems.
This makes the assumption that cheating isn't a thing on console without crossplay, which I don't believe is the case. Ive seen the same cheat/hack that works on PC across multiple games (pretty much any game), work on PS4, Xbox one, ps5, Xbox series x etc etc. With what appears to be zero modification..pretty much hacks that are universal and work across multiple titles and platforms..what game devs need to invest in is some type of machine learning hack detection across all platforms because that's where the future of hacking his heading imo.
Opt in for sure. Some devs aren't lazy and can actually do something about this cheating. For those devs that refuse to do anything then thought shit PC players.
That's why an opt in choice should exist.
Which would, depending on the game, immediately kill the community on PC.
There shouldn't be an opt anything; just work to improve anti-cheats and start recording reported players for any cheating behavior once they get flagged by enough people and then move them into a cheaters lobby and then ban them once their footage has been looked over by mods.
I play on PC and can count on one hand the amount of times that someone was clearly cheating. I'm sorry but I do not believe for a second that it is that rampant. I think its more likely that 9 out of 10 times that someone was cheating, he wasn't and you're just blaming anything but yourself.
This is exactly the same as when people say that they can't climb ranks because of their teammates. That is not a thing, if you're good enough you're good enough, the enemy players aren't gonna be better than your teammates. So just different kinds of people. Some will blame team mates and others will blame cheating. And I'm the same, it probably has to do with human psychology. I just go more for the team mates excuse. And yes you may think its not an excuse. I'm not saying you're making it up. When I blame teammates I also feel like that's genuinely what happened. But if after 500h you're still stuck in bronze but you think you should be in gold.. nah, you shouldn't, and its not just your team mates.
This is exactly the same as when people say that they can't climb ranks because of their teammates. That is not a thing, if you're good enough you're good enough, the enemy players aren't gonna be better than your teammates. So just different kinds of people. Some will blame team mates and others will blame cheating. And I'm the same, it probably has to do with human psychology. I just go more for the team mates excuse. And yes you may think its not an excuse. I'm not saying you're making it up. When I blame teammates I also feel like that's genuinely what happened. But if after 500h you're still stuck in bronze but you think you should be in gold.. nah, you shouldn't, and its not just your team mates.
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