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I feel like I'm unable to find a clean unbiased source on the internet on the topic of health concerns of 5G implementation.

Linus made a clickbaity video about it, but I would like to read more.

 

3bdelilah

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I... didn't know people claimed otherwise...
 

WillyFive

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Its radio.

Only bad thing would be interference with other stuff, but 5G wouldnt be more harmful than Wi-Fi or radio or doppler radar.
 

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5G and other wireless networks transfer data over waves. So they have a very real impact on everything they travel through. And yes, it's frightening that we haven't conducted the research necessary that would help us assess their effects.

The fact that we are not communicating more about the possible hazards of higher bandwidth frequencies makes me unconfortable. The situation is too similar to the ones we have experienced with other industries that tried to mask their impact on our health (tobacco, pharmaceuticals, oil, etc.).

And to make things worse, we are facing the clear cut rapid extinction of insects which will radically impact our well-being. And we know that wireless communications is on of the factors that are relevant to this fact - since they have increased massively these last two decades.
 

LL_Decitrig

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The health concerns are unfounded despite extensive research and decades of use.

Some questionable sources such as the Russian government mouthpiece RT have pushed bogus health concerns about 5G.
 

Dascu

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5G and other wireless networks transfer data over waves. So they have a very real impact on everything they travel through. And yes, it's frightening that we haven't conducted the research necessary that would help us assess their effects.

The fact that we are not communicating more about the possible hazards of higher bandwidth frequencies makes me unconfortable. The situation is too similar to the ones we have experienced with other industries that tried to mask their impact on our health (tobacco, pharmaceuticals, oil, etc.).

And to make things worse, we are facing the clear cut rapid extinction of insects which will radically impact our well-being. And we know that wireless communications is on of the factors that are relevant to this fact - since they have increased massively these last two decades.
What in particular frightens you about higher bandwidth?
 

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Don't like the video that much, it doesn't even touch on the main point on what this radiation really is -- light. Visible light has a much, much, much higher frequency than 5g even, so this entire idea of higher frequency = more damage is tripe.
 

RestEerie

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What in particular frightens you about higher bandwidth?

Like all (irrational) fears, i think it stems from what is not known rather than what is known.

I cant speak for plusaflag of course.

Personally, i dont really care. We will all die in some form anyway so it doesn't really matter it's 5G or diseased beef or tainted water. Give me fast cheap internet, good tasting food regardless of its healthy benefits/hazard and i really dont care what aliment i'll get.
 

Fallout-NL

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I seem to recall a credible source raising the alarm about this (like an actual scientist), so I'm interested in hearing more, but nobody really seems to be talking about it.
 

CrazyAndy

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5G and other wireless networks transfer data over waves. So they have a very real impact on everything they travel through. And yes, it's frightening that we haven't conducted the research necessary that would help us assess their effects.

The fact that we are not communicating more about the possible hazards of higher bandwidth frequencies makes me unconfortable. The situation is too similar to the ones we have experienced with other industries that tried to mask their impact on our health (tobacco, pharmaceuticals, oil, etc.).

And to make things worse, we are facing the clear cut rapid extinction of insects which will radically impact our well-being. And we know that wireless communications is on of the factors that are relevant to this fact - since they have increased massively these last two decades.

Better get those tinfoil hats ready.
 

Air

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Nope. As far as I know, most scientists are confident there aren't issues
 

DonaldKimball

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5G and other wireless networks transfer data over waves. So they have a very real impact on everything they travel through. And yes, it's frightening that we haven't conducted the research necessary that would help us assess their effects.

The fact that we are not communicating more about the possible hazards of higher bandwidth frequencies makes me unconfortable. The situation is too similar to the ones we have experienced with other industries that tried to mask their impact on our health (tobacco, pharmaceuticals, oil, etc.).

And to make things worse, we are facing the clear cut rapid extinction of insects which will radically impact our well-being. And we know that wireless communications is on of the factors that are relevant to this fact - since they have increased massively these last two decades.

The intensity of those waves is far too low to be harmful to us
 

DrROBschiz

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Uhh we have been using these frequencies for decades already

Hell thats why emergency services people are concerned since the bandwidth handoff could pose potential conflicts with communications on their end and unwanted interference

If you are having public health concerns than maybe thats where your concern should be. Whether or not an ambulance or fireman can be properly dispatched to save your ass
 

GMM

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Immediate access to 8K pornography at 120 FPS in stereoscopic VR is much more important.
 

Kalor

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No. I see a bunch of stickers and posters in public about 5g causing cancer but it's no worse than any other kind of radio waves. There may be side effects on other stuff but none that directly harm people.
 

G.O.O.

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Remember : science can't prove something is harmless.

Do you eat quinoa ? Because we can't say for sure that quinoa doesn't cause cancer.

Science is a process, it's not one guy saying "it's safe" or "it's not safe". But as humans, we don't want half answers that don't fit our views, and some people take advantage of that.

Be smart, keep studying, don't panic because someone tells you to.
 

DrROBschiz

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Stand in a pool of water and have a friend slap the top of the water and send a wave towards you

Did it hurt? Do you have cancer?

Does this question seems stupid and disengenuous? Now you know how it feels
 

DrROBschiz

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Science illiteracy is going to kills us.

For real

Add historical illiteracy on top of that. This tech has been in use since before most posters in here were born and always in active use for the most part

This isnt new. Whats new is this shuffling of who and what people get to use it. There are legitimate concerns over 5G implementation but health risks isnt one of them outside of public services disruption through interference
 

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There is a lot of #SayNoto5G and other such graffiti around Belfast and surrounding areas, so strange to see. I have no issues with it, is there any study saying we should be worried?
 

DrROBschiz

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Can you point to a scientific peer-reviewed article then, instead of shitting on the premise of the thread?

You didnt learn about this in elementary and high school?

Dude this technology and its use dates all the way back to 1880's and hell exposure to various radiowave frequencies happens naturally as well

Peer reviewed papers on radio frequency studies probably number in the thousands if not more given the timetable and how integral this technology has been to modern society

Here ill humor you with a single one i found on google thats likely one in a pool of thousands https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5727023/
 

Galava

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It is completely safe.

Just by opening a window and letting the sun come in for a second (or going outside at night) is way more radiation that you will ever get in your entire lifetime from a cellphone or an antenna. And even then it's not about how long youe xpose yourself to those frequencies, but how energetic they are. Radio waves are innocuous.

Not sure about the actual numbers, but you get the point ;)
 

plusaflag

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What in particular frightens you about higher bandwidth?
The higher energies involved. If you want to cram more information in a given space, you have to use higher frequencies, and thus more power/space. If you attempt to deliver a message in this 'format' while using the same energy you needed to deliver it over the 4G network, this message would only travel a fraction of what it would otherwise on the older and slower network. Thus, you need to build more antennas along the message's path. That involves a higher cost, and potentially, use of land. As a side effect, you might end up placing antennas in forests and reserves where they previously were none. In addition, IPCs might focus on densely urban areas where the number of subscribers divided by antennas will be the highest, thus maybe contributing to a technological gap with the people living on the land. And on top of that we still don't know the long-term effects of being exposed to these waves of different frequencies. For all we know, it could even fuck with other equipments, let alone biomass.

So just because of the power requirements of 5G, we end up with an economical, environmental, societal and technological problem. Some of these issues can be fixed quicker than others, yes. But we will need to learn sooner than later what effect the introduction of all those different techs have on our daily life, in order to better forecast the future.
 

DrROBschiz

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This is a testament to how terrible we have been about education and passing knowledge forward

I almost wonder if we somehow thought the internet would just naturally solve our need to intensively teach and educate the population. Turns out that without guidance from actual teachers people dont know up from down. There is nothing wrong with questioning our reality, challenging established knowledge and all that. But there is a process you follow and the standard to overturn old knowledge is a high wall

With regards to RF not only is it over 100 years old but has also been reinforced over time with other discoveries in modern physics
 
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