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Anybody can stop the spread of a disease if they're just willing to weld peoples' doors shut.
That being said, while China probably did too much to stop the spread, many places aren't doing enough - especially the US.
That being said, while China probably did too much to stop the spread, many places aren't doing enough - especially the US.
I think it's probably wise to be skeptical of the official account.
That said, it's clear that a centralized, collective effort is more effective than whatever the fuck we've been doing.
That said, it's clear that a centralized, collective effort is more effective than whatever the fuck we've been doing.
For a forum that's so primarily not Chinese or even East Asian, people here sure love to post threads about China.
From a utilitarian POV, a super strict, immediate lockdown that involves sacrificing some people (see: welding doors shut), and actually being able to contain the virus, is probably better for the overall country than what the US did. I'm sure there's a way to do this and not kill everyone involved as well (bring them food and stuff through a window with lots of protective gear, etc).
Of course, I don't know how China plans to keep out COVID cases from Europe/US/the rest of the infected world without implementing some SUPER strict border control. I know Taiwan does a mandatory 14 day quarantine for anyone flying into the island, but an island seems easier to control the in/outs than a larger country like China that shares borders with many.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Yeah, no.
They tried to silence the doctor who first reported it. Which was one of the reasons the outbreak got as big as it did.
This celebration is a classic case of an organization creating a problem then then patting itself on the back for solving it.
Winnie the Pooh looks like such a bum in that photo without a fancy necklace
Hard to know what to believe coming out of the CCP's propaganda machine, but it seems too early to celebrate. Who knows what the winter will bring? I can't imagine this would be looked back upon favorably if the virus returns in full force
Hard to know what to believe coming out of the CCP's propaganda machine, but it seems too early to celebrate. Who knows what the winter will bring? I can't imagine this would be looked back upon favorably if the virus returns in full force
They actually did a really good job of limiting the spread outside of a few provinces so yeah it's possible. People were treating China like it was the hot zone back in feb and march but they actually had less than 100k total cases, and most of them were in Hubei. Almost every US state has more cases than that now...
Yeah, I'm aware. The concept of face is so strange to me.
Considering they were the only country that actually had no forewarning, China did a very good job of controlling the spread
you know what that might be true if they limited traveling heavy. they definitely have a lot more authoritarian tools in their tool belt than us dumb ass americans who want to protest wearing a mask which would be shut down insanely fast there. so maybe not that far fetched
I think the west failing terribly is to blame for the west failing terribly.
"Face" isn't some magic algorithm that Chinese people have to consult before doing anything.
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It's been 10 months already.
Western countries have no one but themselves to blame for their incompetence.
Pathetic response from every single one of them. The fact that schools are opening tells me they still haven't learned anything
They're lying about their numbers in some capacity, that much is certain. I was looking at Worldometers the other day and the China number was something like 1 or 2 deaths in the last 4-5 months. FOH. That is some North Korea level of propaganda.. they're not even trying to be realistic.
We've had a few threads on it:
Atrocity is happening in Xinjiang. The authority is using some extremely disgusting method to control a COVID-19 outbreak News - COVID
Firstly I'd like to stress one thing: The racial oppression of Uighurs in Xinjiang was widely known in western media, including this forum. But the fact is under Xi's reign everyone is suffering. So please understand that these atrocities are happening to everyone, including Han ethnic, that...
www.resetera.com
It's very extreme.
As others have said, it feels like China and US are at complete opposite ends of the spectrum for handling this, for better or worse.
And I will repeat the west failing terribly is to blame for the west failing terribly.
Even if we had known and it was here, I think we would be in the same situation anyways since a lot of people are not following the rules.
Deepwater was agreeing with you. (His original post was sarcastic.)
「We are leading the world in economic recovery and in the fight against COVID-19.」
If by "leading" they mean alienating the rest of the world and blowing a great opportunity to increase their soft power, then sure.
If by "leading" they mean alienating the rest of the world and blowing a great opportunity to increase their soft power, then sure.
Nope...The rest of the world had plenty of time. Some countries took it seriously (Taiwan, SK). You want to look at how the US could've been had we handled it correctly, look no further than South Korea. And even now we still have people who think masks are a political thing here. Bu-bububut China covered it up. Our government has literally been trying to test less to keep the numbers down. Florida literally fudged their numbers for COVID. The CDC literally tried to endorse testing less. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. We fucked up and our government failed us...full stop.
If it is a topic about how great they are doing compared to Europe, isn't it then also a topic about how much better their methods are? Despite them being massively abusive to their own population.
China’s coronavirus vaccines leap ahead – but face challenges as virus wanes
Companies could struggle to enrol enough trial participants, or gather enough data to convince regulatory agencies that the shots work.
www.nature.com
TLDR: There are several in the works. Since the Chinese have handled COVID relatively well they need to look outside their country to enroll folks in their phase III trials.
I'm sorry, but I don't trust the CPC in the slightest. They covered a lot of shit in the past, I don't think I could believe them now.
Got it. Tough to see sarcasm at times when there are people who are serious about this type of stuff.
Damn and all they had to do was weld people's door shut, imprisoning them against their will in their own apartments. We have so much to learn from glorious China.
As an American, it's extremely disheartening when so many brush this pandemic off as a hoax, or are all pissy that wearing a mask will step on their "freedoms".We've had a few threads on it:
Atrocity is happening in Xinjiang. The authority is using some extremely disgusting method to control a COVID-19 outbreak News - COVID
Firstly I'd like to stress one thing: The racial oppression of Uighurs in Xinjiang was widely known in western media, including this forum. But the fact is under Xi's reign everyone is suffering. So please understand that these atrocities are happening to everyone, including Han ethnic, that...
It's very extreme.
As others have said, it feels like China and US are at complete opposite ends of the spectrum for handling this, for better or worse.
That being said, with the crazy shit China was doing, I can't really blame some people for being scared of what lockdowns can become. Their fear, sadly, isn't completely ungrounded in reality. They just use the wrong vectors to express their frustration/fear.
The pros and cons of centralized authoritarian power + collectivist culture are on display here.
Worked for Vietnam pretty well too.
I think Canada is kind of in the middle of this spectrum, so we're doing "ok", but it is pretty tough to achieve the right balance so that when not in some emergency pandemic scenario, life still feels successful.
Worked for Vietnam pretty well too.
I think Canada is kind of in the middle of this spectrum, so we're doing "ok", but it is pretty tough to achieve the right balance so that when not in some emergency pandemic scenario, life still feels successful.
This basically, I'm surprised so many people are taking this at face value as if it's even the slightest bit true.
Official Staff Communication
The title and framing of this article was needlessly inflammatory as it makes it sound like China is celebrating Europe's failures, which does not appear to be the case at all. The thread title has been changed accordingly. While it is fine to criticize the government of any nation, we also want to remind posters to be careful not to conflate the government with its people and that China should not be scapegoated for the failures of other nations to handle the virus. The article got this discussion off to a bad start but we are reviewing reports.
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