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Shoot

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A politically divisive debate continues to rage over U.S. President Donald Trump's push to add a citizenship or nationality question to the U.S. census. That same question has been part of Canada's census form for over a century without a ripple.

Trump has been waging a fierce fight to add the controversial query to the 2020 census, and said Friday he's now considering an executive order to get it done after a Supreme Court ruling blocked his efforts.

Canada's own long form census asks: "Of what country is this person a citizen?" Respondents have a choice of three possible answers: "Canada, by birth," "Canada, by naturalization" or "Other country - specify."
"This information is used to estimate the number of potential voters and to plan citizenship classes and programs. It also provides information about the population with multiple citizenships and the number of immigrants in Canada who hold Canadian citizenship."
Theelen said Statistics Canada's data quality assessment indicators have not flagged any issues specifically related to the citizenship question. The Library of Parliament could not find any significant debate, controversy or court case related to the inclusion of a citizenship question on the Canadian census form.

In the U.S., the Republican administration's push has triggered a partisan firestorm because of the enormous political stakes.
The Census Bureau's own experts have said the question would discourage immigrants from participating in the census, which would result in a less-accurate census. That, say critics, would redistribute money and political power away from Democrat-led urban districts — where immigrants tend to cluster — and toward whiter, rural areas where Republicans do well.
"In Canada, we have an impartial electoral commission that redistributes the electoral boundaries according to the law based on objective criteria," he said. "It's not an issue here at all, because we don't have that kind of gerrymandering that they have in the U.S."
Waldman said it's possible a census result showing a high percentage of undocumented people in a specific region of the U.S. could lead to stepped-up Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) patrols there.
 

Alavard

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Sure, but we (Canada) have an independent organization (altho you can argue that it still falls under the federal government, so can't truly be independant) that runs elections nationally and draws election maps, and changes to those maps don't happen very often if I understand correctly.
 

Sokrates

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Ignore the op he makes pro Trump threads all the time. Notice that you cannot view his profile to see his previous threads? I wonder why? 🤔
 

RoKKeR

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Oct 25, 2017
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And this is relevant how? The US census is a count of all the peoples in the country, regardless of their citizenship status. The attempt to get the question on is a blatant partisan (and racially motivated) move to adversely affect appropriations for districts with high immigrant (both legal and illegal) populations. The president said as much today.


Such an eye roll of a story.
 

Waffles

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"In Canada, we have an impartial electoral commission that redistributes the electoral boundaries according to the law based on objective criteria," he said. "It's not an issue here at all, because we don't have that kind of gerrymandering that they have in the U.S."

Deserves to be restated multiple times. So I will.

"In Canada, we have an impartial electoral commission that redistributes the electoral boundaries according to the law based on objective criteria," he said. "It's not an issue here at all, because we don't have that kind of gerrymandering that they have in the U.S."

"In Canada, we have an impartial electoral commission that redistributes the electoral boundaries according to the law based on objective criteria," he said. "It's not an issue here at all, because we don't have that kind of gerrymandering that they have in the U.S."



Ignore the op he makes pro Trump threads all the time. Notice that you cannot view his profile to see his previous threads? I wonder why? 🤔

Noted, with thanks.
 

Roy

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Oct 27, 2017
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The difference is that you won't have the gestapo breaking down your door
 

Stephen Home

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Not everything Canada does is better than the US. Canadians could also vote in an asshole soon.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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So the long form Canadian Census has a question that the long form US Census already has.

What is your point OP?
 
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KillLaCam

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Now tell us why that matters.

Edit: its funny that you included a quote that said why this isn't a big deal in Canada
"In Canada, we have an impartial electoral commission that redistributes the electoral boundaries according to the law based on objective criteria," he said. "It's not an issue here at all, because we don't have that kind of gerrymandering that they have in the U.S."
 
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thefit

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Oct 25, 2017
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Ignore the constitution because Canada. What a brilliant argument. Maybe Canada should redistrict the US while its at it too.
 

WedgeX

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Oct 27, 2017
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So the US should follow the lead of a census question developed by the Crown we rebelled against?
 

Conciliator

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Oct 25, 2017
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Can't take any person seriously who even pretends for a moment that this is about something other than lowering minority representation and voter turnout. We literally have the receipts. Put your honest shit out there. Ya'll ain't subtle
 
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So the US should follow the lead of a census question developed by the Crown we rebelled against?

We already do. This is talking about the long form questionnaire in Canada. There already is a citizenship question on the US long form questionnaire.

edit: this was incorrect i guess it was removed in 2010. My bad.
 
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Caja 117

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Oct 25, 2017
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So, the OP creates a thread, which is basically a dump of a article from a webpage, doesn't say his opinion and doesn't even bother to engage with any poster?

Is this even allowed ?
 

Mcfrank

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Oct 28, 2017
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Ok we can copy Canada on this if we also copy their healthcare program. Deal, OP?
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Now tell us why that matters
"In Canada, we have an impartial electoral commission that redistributes the electoral boundaries according to the law based on objective criteria," he said. "It's not an issue here at all, because we don't have that kind of gerrymandering that they have in the U.S."
It matters because, uh, circumstances aren't the same? I guess?
 

Saganator

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Oct 26, 2017
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The intent of the question is the key difference. Not like that matters though. Cool thread.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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So, the OP creates a thread, which is basically a dump of a article from a webpage, doesn't say his opinion and doesn't even bother to engage with any poster?

Is this even allowed ?

And the article is useless as the author seems to not realize that we, too, have the same sort of question on our long form questionnaire as well.
 

genjiZERO

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Jan 27, 2019
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The biggest problem is that it's a partisan ploy to deliberately misrepresent the census and therefor retain power. It's an undemocratic power grab basically.
 

grand

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Oct 25, 2017
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Canada isn't the US for multiple reasons. There are strong reasons why a citizenship question wouldn't work in the US but would in Canada. But hey, if Canada wants to start debating the whole "largest semi-open border in the world" thing, feel free (aka they won't).
 

Foffy

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Oct 25, 2017
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The issue isn't so much the question, but why the question.

It was literally devised by a dead guy who said the goal was to suppress minorities, give whites more push, and keep Republicans in charge.
 
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