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Democratic Socialists of America pass "Bernie or Bust" Resolution

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Veliladon

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I have been toying with joining the DSA the past two years. The decision has been made for me.

We're facing the most important election America has ever faced and the DSA preemptively comes out with the middle finger if Bernie isn't the candidate. Accelerationism is the doctrine if they don't get their way. The biggest existential threat the Republic has ever faced and if Bernie isn't facing it they're not interested in any other candidate.

Fuck the DSA. If you're a member, resign. These people have no interests of other people at heart. They just want to swing their political dicks and take their ball and go home if they don't impose their will.

Fuck. The. DSA.
 
DrROBschiz

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This shit is fucking dangerous and played a role in how we ended up with trump to begin with

By all means vote for Bernie in the primary but fuck off with benching yourself and giving Trump a shot at another 4 years
 
MGPanda

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Yeeeeah, I'm not even American and I keep seeing clearer and clearer how Trump is getting re-elected next year. What a bunch of dumb fucks, it looks like they actually want to lose.
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Good ole cult members deciding our fate again.
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It's totally a cult, isn't it? I noticed it on the past election as well, I don't get constantly donating money you don't have, obsessing over a candidate who could die of old age, and saying that you're not voting for anyone unless it's him. These people are basically giving Trump the government on a silver platter.
 
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KtotheRoc

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Some people don't give a shit about others. They're not going to be inconvenienced in the slightest by another 4 years of Trump.
 

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the DSA isn't saying their members shouldn't vote for anyone else but bernie. they're saying they, as a group, won't endorse another candidate besides bernie. which, no shit. they're a political group with a very specific ideology (democratic socialism). they're not going to endorse any old democratic candidate who isn't interested in furthering democratic socialism. why should they.
 
Joni

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They already didn't care last time about Trump winning. They prefer Trump over another Democrat. Another democrat might actually implement some things they want so they have less power.

detuned radios said:
the DSA isn't saying their members shouldn't vote for anyone else but bernie. they're saying they, as a group, won't endorse another candidate besides bernie. which, no shit. they're a political group with a very specific ideology (democratic socialism). they're not going to endorse any old democratic candidate who isn't interested in furthering democratic socialism. why should they.
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Because the other guy is making life worse for the people they want to protect.
 
kadotsu

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It's a dumb move because it gives a Biden campaign, that will surely lose the general, a ready made excuse. Biden will now lose because the bad DSA (which has under 100k members in mostly safe blue states) and not because no one was motivated by a brain deteriorating centrist.
 

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Tbf no point in voting if someone like biden gets the nom (more conceding to the gop) But warren? Shes like one of the best available.
 
Heromanz

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Considering how small dsa they will have little to no bearing on whether or not Trump wins or losses
 
Joni

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detuned radios said:
and so people should vote against him, but that has absolutely nothing to do with whether the DSA should give an explicit endorsement.
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And so they should do everything in their power to make sure their followers do. Doing nothing, even not voting is just being complicit. If you didn't vote in 2016, don't vote in 2020, you're part of the problem.
 
Palette Swap

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These people are fascism's useful idiots.
They manage to both directly help Trump and give an existence to that "Bernie or bust" fantasy that was way overreported.

This is beyond punching left.
 

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Joni said:
And so they should do everything in their power to make sure their followers do. Doing nothing, even not voting is just being complicit.
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they're not saying not to vote against trump! they're just not putting an organizational Seal of Approval on another candidate! this is like getting mad that the Americans for Free Puppies Organization is refusing to endorse a Democratic candidate that isn't promising everyone free puppies. they're the democratic socialists of america. their goal is to advance democratic socialism. they're not going to explicitly endorse a candidate that isn't going to further their agenda (and indeed many of the dems would be very much against their agenda, including warren).
 

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Huh? Aren't they saying that as an org they won't endorse anyone but Bernie for president? The DSA has it's problem but let's pump the brakes here a bit.
 
kradical

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An organisation not endorsing a candidate whose views don't match their own is a perfectly reasonable position to take. It doesn't mean they're endorsing Trump or telling their members not to vote for the Democratic candidate.
 
Tamanon

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Meh, not really that big a deal. Private party, and nobody is going to care about their endorsement anyways.

Is kinda dumb to not consider Warren though, considering she's basically Bernie with more thought put into it.
 
kadotsu

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infinite said:
Huh? Aren't they saying that as an org they won't endorse any but Bernie for president?
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Yes but the name is being used by bad faith actors to preemtively excuse the loss of centrist in the general. That's why the op is phrased the way it is. It's a bad political move for the DSA like I said.
 

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Veliladon said:
You know what would clearly say vote against Trump? Vote for whoever is against Trump.
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that's certainly a thing their individual members should do! but that still has absolutely nothing to do with whether an organization specifically about furthering democratic socialism should endorse a candidate who is not a democratic socialist.

i swear some of y'all are being deliberately obtuse.
 
Goat Mimicry

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Their endorsement isn't that important. If another candidate loses the general, it won't be because of them.
 
CesareNorrez

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Heromanz said:
Third term?
Biden and Obama are nothing alike
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Obama tried to be bipartisan. It's why the ACA is as compromised as it is (and it still got practically no GOP support).

Biden would probably appoint a similar Supreme Court Justice to Obama as well. Politically Obama and Biden are more similar than dissimilar.
 
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detuned radios said:
the DSA isn't saying their members shouldn't vote for anyone else but bernie. they're saying they, as a group, won't endorse another candidate besides bernie. which, no shit. they're a political group with a very specific ideology (democratic socialism). they're not going to endorse any old democratic candidate who isn't interested in furthering democratic socialism. why should they.
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Because they live in America where Trump will get a second term in elections when he's not voted out. They can choose who they want all they like in the primaries, that's what they're there for - in the general the next president will either be Trump or the Democratic nominee. They don't get ignore the consequences when the Democratic nominee loses. They want a say in the Democratic party and politics in the US, participating in the system is how.

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Their endorsement isn't that important. If another candidate loses the general, it won't be because of them.
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It is to their members. They won't be helping by sitting the election out, that they'd decide to sit out a battle to stop Trump for moral purity only helps Trump. They want him out, they need to vote him out like the rest of us.
 
Hirok2099

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Veliladon said:
Fucking seriously? A third Obama term vs Trump 2.0?!?

Are you high?
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Biden is no Obama. If Biden is the nominee we'll lose, he's got too much baggage plain and simple. Hell all you have to do is make ads playing last debates clips where wants to "cherry pick Immigrants" and strongly proclaim that undocumented immigrants are criminals. The moment the latino community at large sees those hell lose their support, I guarantee it.
Not defending the DSA's choice btw, fuck those idiots.
 
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Veliladon

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kadotsu said:
Yes but the name is being used by bad faith actors to preemtively excuse the loss of centrist in the general. That's why the op is phrased the way it is. It's a bad political move for the DSA like I said.
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Go fuck yourself I'm a 2016 Bernie supporter come Warren supporter.
 

DryCreek

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Why is it a big surprise that a dem soc pressure group would only back a dem soc?

I dont think this is as big of a deal as you are making it out to be
 
bill crystals

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The way some of you get apocalyptic-ly reactionary to every little news tidbit like this should be alarming IMO. Breathe, and get some context first. This is not really a huge deal at all.
 
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