Did Sony surpass Ubisoft with downgrading games visually?

[Segafreak]

Think Witcher 3 downgrade or Ubisoft. I am not ok with the way Sony is overhyping graphics and then downgrading them at launch, Ghost of Tsushima is another title that seems to be downgraded after TLOU2

Worse motion blur, worse lighting, worse shadows



Especially disappointed with the character models in TLOU2



Sony was not like this previously this gen with GoW and Horizon, hoping they are not lying to us with PS5 games too because they already do not impress as "next gen".

 

[DarkLordMalik]

Both games still look highly impressive. Watch Dogs looked like shit even on a PC. There is a difference between what Ubisoft was doing and what Sony is accomplishing here. I wouldn't label it as a downgrade.

 

[Rosebud]

Lol, no. I play on PS4 Slim and didn't see any model as ugly as that TLOU II video.

Both TLOU II and GoT are among the best looking games of the gen, maybe the best for TLOU II.

 

[Deleted member 17990]

Hell no what Ubisoft did to Watch Dogs is like 5 times worse than what Sucker Punch and Naughty Dog did to their games.

 

[Modest_Modsoul]

🤷

Personally, I don't care that much.

 

[Saber_of_Truth]

Might as well lock this thread now lol

 

[Raigor]

Nah.

Siege, The Division and Watch Dogs downgrades were much bigger than UC4, GoT and TLOU 2

 

[Turkoop]

This shit again

 

[JusDoIt]

Kinda hard to get mad at these downgrades when they're still two of the best looking video games this generation. TLOU II in particular arguably being the best looking ever from a technical standpoint.

 

[Strings]

You consistently make the worst poll options on the site OP >.<

I feel bad voting either one :(

 

[gitrektali]

Naah, even with the downgrades both Sony titles look incredible. Ubisoft's initial Watch Dogs, Division, Siege downgrades are on another level.

 

[MatrixMan.exe]

This forum, man.

 

[tusharngf]

witcher 3 port was awful for PC. All effects gone from the trailer.

 

[CanisMajoris]

TLOU PII got a slight downgrade in places and GoT video is with different TOD.

 

[Midas]

I honestly don't even remember what the games looked like in their first reveal. 😂

That's good for me I guess.

 

[black070]

Both are easily amongst the best looking games this gen, so I can't say it concerns me. They release final build gameplay footage closer to release anyways.

 

[PintSizedSlasher]

 

[Smoolio]

They should artificially lower the graphics for reveals, would help all these people without perspective cope. Nah actually who cares.

 

[tiebreaker]

Sure, still not as big as Watchdogs or Witcher 3.

 

[egg]

Sony is overhyping graphics? WHAT LOL
Not even close OP.

 

[R dott B]

Yes, but people dislike Ubisoft a lot more than Sony so it's overlooked.

 

[black070]

And no, neither of those are anywhere near Witcher 3/Watch Dogs.

 

[Dinjooh]

What on earth are these poll options?

 

[Apophis]

Hint: downgrades aren't really a thing

 

[ClickyCal']

Couldn't care less. Part 2 is stil the best looking game ever.

 

[Kazer]

Shit poll options.

Also: who gives a shit? The games both look amazing.

 

[FrakEarth]

The GoT footage is strange, is it at a different time of day or something as well as just different in the final product? Its like a totally different kind of film grading in terms of colour and contrast

It still looks amazing to me, artistically.

 

[Mechaplum]

You consistently make the worst poll options on the site OP >.<

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Truth.

 

[catboy]

1) gamers should stop expecting absolutely nothing to change in trade demos 2+ years out from release
2) devs should be more careful in not pretending that the trade demo is exactly what the final game will look at (famous example being the naughty dog dev that barked at a crystal dynamics dev for... telling the truth)

 

[Nostradamus]

Is this some kind of a joke thread? Hasn't it been proven that TLOUSII released with better graphics than the ones shown during development? Same for pretty much ALL Sony titles. Every time there is a downgrade thread that immediately gets debunked.

I'm not sure about GoT's situation but it's definitely not some kind of Sony's habit.

I won't even bother commenting on the poll options.

 

[Patitoloco]

Are we going to forget that Digital Foundry actually said that TLOU 2 was improved?

Or is not inline with the really dumb point OP is trying to make?

 

[Dphex]

I wouldn't label it as a downgrade.

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TLOU II and GoT were both downgraded for sure.

 

[Kunjiru]

Both games look spectacular even after downgrades. And remember they are ought to work on a 7 year old consoles - this is amazing feat to say the least. Also, some of the changes you barely notice during the heat of the action. The most important thing is that the mood, overall tone are still there. I think they managed much much better than let's say Ubisoft with Watch Dogs or CDPR with Witcher 3 where in some places the games felt flat

 

[Betty]

TLOU2 is currently the best looking console game i've played so... not sure i'd call it overhyped graphically.

 

[Mutley]

Sony have always shown trailers that their console can't deliver look at the PS2 and PS3 launch trailers.

 

[Kyuuji]

Considering TLOU2 is probably the most impressive game I've played to date I'm finding it hard to care.

Also echoing people on why the OP always has these needlessly stupid poll options each time.

 

[Clark Zuckerberg]

Controversial opinion?: I didn't have a problem with the way Watch Dogs looked or either of these games. I think they all looked great for what their game type is.

 

[SeanMN]

If we're talking about examples of the biggest bullshots this gen, I think the 60 fps Uncharted 4 teaser takes the cake.

 

[Toumari]

It's hard to care about any "downgrade" when TLOU2 is still the best looking game I've played. Likewise with GoT in terms of open world environments.

 

[texhnolyze]

Both games still look highly impressive. Watch Dogs looked like shit even on a PC. There is a difference between what Ubisoft was doing and what Sony is accomplishing here. I wouldn't label it as a downgrade.

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Att least modders can still fix it.

 

[BackwoodsAltar]

both of these games are among the best looking i've played, i really don't give a shit they don't look as good as the developers wanted it to earlier in development

"being lied to" lmao

 

[FreezerGeezer]

The hell are those poll options lol

 

[Nightengale]

I love how the framing is from the perspective that it's deliberate, instead of say -

"Vertical slices/demos shown 24 months before final product is ready come with risk of developers misjudging certain aspects that needs to be adjusted as they go through the chunk of development, both in terms of stuff that can be improved in presentation and stuff that needs to be lowered."

You know, like the puddles in Spider-Man. I'm sure that was some deviousness on the part of Sony/Insomniac.

I also love how the framing insinuates that Sony mandates their developers to lie about how their game could look and force them to downgrade it later, almost as if the final product isn't also one of the best looking games on the platform - and that even if they revealed the game looking as they are in the final product, they'd still be technical masterpieces, as per Digital Foundry's articles that say as much.

And bringing up God of War is hilarious. If we want to play devil's advocate, God of War actually suffered the worst "downgrades" in a manner of speaking from reveal to final product. There were mechanics shown in the first trailer for God of War that didn't make it into the final game in any shape or form, such as the system of "Kratos teaching Atreus grants him XP."

 

[2Blackcats]

This shit again

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Yeah, jfc.

Give it a rest folks. If you're whining about this it's due to ignorance. Read about how and why early demos, vertical slices are made.

 

[low-G]

Yeah well FWIW I don't trust any bullshots by Sony, Ubisoft, or a bunch of others.

They cannot accurately show what the consoles will actually produce in the end product.

But it always gets worse.

 

[Deleted member 50232]

GOT and TLOU2 are some of the most impressive games I've ever played. And I have a high end pc.

This is such nonsense. Games are optimised during development. This downgrade shit is such an insult to the developers who pour their heart and soul into these games.

 

[jman1954goat]

the only super bad downgrades i remeber are watchdogs 2012 visuals and anthem/no man's sky gameplay. you see slight down grades from e3 demos all the time but that's just game development things change hardware/time constraints are met your gonna get some downgrade from most companies besides Nintendo that usually show gameplay close to release or have limited graphical hopes.

basically come into all e3 trailers with a grain of salt what your seeing is the developers dream they are trying to hit. usually most devs come close with some downgrades do to development constraints but that's not the same as the killzone cgi scam for example.

maybe have e3 trailer state target demo next to the little in game fine print that's common in trailers?

 

[Unkindled]

Nah Ubisoft is still the king.
Poll options don't match the title Lol

 

[N.47H.4N]

LOL OP is a troll,Part 2 actually has improved and is currently the best looking game of this gen,how your are comparing to The Witcher 3 and Ubisoft downgrades is hilarious,nice try.

 

[arsene_P5]

Both games still look highly impressive. Watch Dogs looked like shit even on a PC. There is a difference between what Ubisoft was doing and what Sony is accomplishing here. I wouldn't label it as a downgrade.

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I think Ubisoft is worse, but this doesn't take away the fact that The Last of Us 2 got downgraded in detail, shadows and animations. There is no artistic reason to stop using LOD0 models during gameplay. That's the definition of a downgrade and I'd argue was done on purpose. This isn't the first ND game on PS4 and they should've known their incredible detailed cutscene models won't run on PS4 during gameplay.