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Do you think of suicide victims as cowards?
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No, the mind is a powerful thing and if you have mental health issues it can be overwhelming beyond your control.
if someone committed suicide, they probably had a lot going on that i dont know about to make passing a judgement on them either way not needed.
I honestly can't come to a conclusion on this.
Yes & No are my answers. I know a parent that committed suicide...their children have struggled and been destroyed emotionally and mentally since. I find leaving them for one's on relief 100% selfish. However, I also find wanting someone suffering, to stay, a little selfish (no child understands that though...at all).
My personal belief, is that I'd never EVER abandon my children or loved ones due to my own suffering. I mean to much to them and love them. Having said that, I've never once, in any way, wanted to die. Not when my dad died, not when my ex-wife cheated multiple times, not during my divorce, not when I hurt my back, not in 2008 when we lost everything to the crash...etc.
My ex-wife wanted to die (tons of mental health issues) multiple times, and I could never understand/grasp it with our two beautiful daughters being there. Her suffering (all mental, we had a great life compared to most) was absolutely real to her though.
Edit* For some reason I read the OP as "selfish" rather than "cowards". In that case, the cowards that do it are the criminals/evil people that do it to get away from justice/being held accountable. I'd say it takes the opposite of a coward to go out by your own hand for anyone else.
Yes & No are my answers. I know a parent that committed suicide...their children have struggled and been destroyed emotionally and mentally since. I find leaving them for one's on relief 100% selfish. However, I also find wanting someone suffering, to stay, a little selfish (no child understands that though...at all).
My personal belief, is that I'd never EVER abandon my children or loved ones due to my own suffering. I mean to much to them and love them. Having said that, I've never once, in any way, wanted to die. Not when my dad died, not when my ex-wife cheated multiple times, not during my divorce, not when I hurt my back, not in 2008 when we lost everything to the crash...etc.
My ex-wife wanted to die (tons of mental health issues) multiple times, and I could never understand/grasp it with our two beautiful daughters being there. Her suffering (all mental, we had a great life compared to most) was absolutely real to her though.
Edit* For some reason I read the OP as "selfish" rather than "cowards". In that case, the cowards that do it are the criminals/evil people that do it to get away from justice/being held accountable. I'd say it takes the opposite of a coward to go out by your own hand for anyone else.
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I think death is obviously the most natural fear in the world so for someone to choose to confront it is actually brave rather than cowardly. It is of course incredibly sad and tragic that anyone feels the need to do that though and you would hope they have done everything possible beforehand.
No. An important part of understanding human nature is understanding our instinctual neutrality towards, if not straight up desire for, self-destruction. There are myriad reasons for suicide, of course, but many are simply reacting to their environment or material conditions in a way that allows them some modicum of control.
I think that painting them as "selfish" is kind of one-dimensional as well.
I think that painting them as "selfish" is kind of one-dimensional as well.
Maybe if they like did some horrific crime and committed suicide to avoid being brought to justice, sure.
The more common case of depression/addiction/some other debilitating mental illness brought them to it? No, of course not. You'd need to be a monster to think that.
The more common case of depression/addiction/some other debilitating mental illness brought them to it? No, of course not. You'd need to be a monster to think that.
Nope. It has nothing to do with abstract ideas as courage or cowardliness and everything to do with the very real mental stress or illness that individual is under.
no, but having others do the deed for you is a horrible thing to do to someone
jumping in front of a car/train, attacking security/police, etc
jumping in front of a car/train, attacking security/police, etc
Yeah, let me just kill myself said someone with no balls ever.
It requires a tremendous amount of self-loathing/depression and a weird kind of commitment to that ideal. It's not an easy thing to do and cowardly is definitely not the way I'd describe it. Neither is brave, for that matter.
It requires a tremendous amount of self-loathing/depression and a weird kind of commitment to that ideal. It's not an easy thing to do and cowardly is definitely not the way I'd describe it. Neither is brave, for that matter.
It's easy to judge people when you're on the outside. To you, their problems may seem inconsequential, but the mind is an interesting thing. My pain is not the same as your pain.
No.
Well I guess certain circumstances yes, like someone doing it after a mass shooting or something.
Well I guess certain circumstances yes, like someone doing it after a mass shooting or something.
I think the mentality is, in a very twisted way, born out of good intention, like trying to somehow shame someone into not committing suicide, but it's completely the wrong approach. If anything, it's just going to make someone who is suicidal feel that much more awful hearing again and again from people how they're "cowards" or "pathetic" for thinking that way.
I don't think they are cowards, like some other poster said I see them as victims.
I don't think they are cowards, like some other poster said I see them as victims.
No, of course not. If we're talking the traditional image as opposed to something like the school shooter wanting to avoid facing consequences for their actions then suicide victims aren't doing it to take the easy way out, they're doing it because they think it's the only or best way out.
Even in cases where someone has left behind a family more often than not it's because they think they'll have a better life without them.
Even in cases where someone has left behind a family more often than not it's because they think they'll have a better life without them.
What an awful question. Incredibly insensitive and insulting to the many people struggling with suicidal thoughts.
No.....for the most part.
I say "for the most part" because I'm 100% sure there have been people who killed themselves out of cowardice.
I say "for the most part" because I'm 100% sure there have been people who killed themselves out of cowardice.
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