EU draft declaration sets out stricter rules on migrant integration
Contentious statement includes edict on learning language of new home country
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EU draft declaration sets out stricter rules on migrant integration - includes edict on learning language of new home country
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If you're referring to the language bit, knowing the language of the country you move to seems like an elementary necessity for getting by in daily life.
Having to learn the local language is not bad. Children of migrants should have equal access to education as others without their parents' refusal to have them learn the language impairing their future, same reason that parents shouldn't be able to send their kids to religious schools that don't teach a standard curriculum, ruining their future. Here two persons from Hassidic families sued the government once they reached adulthood for failing to make sure they had a proper education due to their parents preventing them from getting one.
Yeah it should be, it's not a problem, no one regrets learning a language, and it only helps. What if the parents come from a country with an uncommon language? Always need an interpreter for life? What about their children?
It does not need to be a requirement for anyone. Especially when many countries do not have a national language.
It should not be a requirement.
I sort of get wanting people to learn languages before migrating, but having the EU trying to filter religion comes across as creepy and authoritarian.
Also a secular institution like the EU should probably not be funding or meddling with peoples religious beliefs.
Also a secular institution like the EU should probably not be funding or meddling with peoples religious beliefs.
Yeah, I get why people would be against it, but too many people I know have to rely on their children or often get taken advantage of because they don't know the language. It's a tricky situation.
They all have languages you need to get by in daily life. It probably can't be a requirement for asylum, but it would probably be tied to some benefits.
Also looks like all EU countries have at least one official language.
Even if you don't agree with other things, knowing the language is absolutely the least anyone migrating to a new country has to do.
force assimilation is not good for anyone. There is TONS of history of this kind of practice its not good for anyone and leads to many issues to minority groups. These things SHOULD NOT be a requirement.
Many European countries have a national language, even multiple of them, and knowing it is absolutely a requirement to partecipate in public life. It's not really an hot take. You need to be able to comunicate with others and understand laws to take part in a society.
Following the law Is different from forced assimilation.
Tricky. I think immigrants in general should be incentivized to learn the language of the country. But migrants in particular had no choice.
edit: nvm, idk why I equated migrants with refugees.
edit: nvm, idk why I equated migrants with refugees.
Do they though? I thought not having a national language was a rarity. In fact I don't know if there is any example of that in Europe (there's the UK if you count the UK).
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It's literally forced assimilation, This is literally shit they are did to native americans, and other ethnic groups HELL its happening in china right now to uyghurs
Yeah laws on what languages you have to learn to speak are bullshit laws, and religious education? What the fuck kind of crap is that? I don't like that path EU is going down.
It's not assimilation to have people living in your country to go to the same schools and have the same education standard, a basic knowledge of language and civic duties. They can get their religious crap like the catholic kids on the day their god rested or something.
How is it forced assimilation when people come from other countries into another country. No one is asking to stop talking their language or stop praying their gods.
I think this is part of a bigger problem. There probably shouldn't be private schools in this day and age.
I think language integration is smart and should be promoted.
I don't know how they plan on going about religious education - gonna be tough.
I don't know how they plan on going about religious education - gonna be tough.
Learning the local language is not forced assimilation. It's the bare minimum requirement for a somewhat successful life in the new country.
I tell every migrant from my home country that comes to Germany to learn the language first, it's like one of the most important things to get around.
Exactly like what the fuck are people thinking that this is ok. can you incentivize people Absolutely but there is no way in hell any country should be trying to erase peoples cultures, they can be held to follow typical laws etc in the country but totally forcing education and crap like that is no different that the shit China is doing right now
Are they forced to migrate into Europe then?
Mind you: I have zero issues with people coming into my country and I believe it should be easy and legal to do so. I have issues when people come into my country and try to act like the laws don't apply to them, just like I hate fake catholics with a passion, especially those who try to meddle with civil rights.
Will the rules apply equally to migrants from a different country within the EU? Or is it just the ones that originate from beyond the EU? Because realistically if it's just from beyond the EU,, we know which groups it will target and it won't be the Canadians or Australians who only speak English.
Forced assimilation would be banishing their own language. These are measures to get by in daily life. Many jobs require some understanding and communication with other people. Going shopping requires communication. Taking a taxi requires communication. Socializing with others requires a form on communication. Kids going to school require communication.
I'm basically in favour of open-door immigration but don't have a problem with getting people to learn the local language. I think it's rude not to, frankly. I wouldn't dream of moving to a non-anglophone country and not learning the language. Hell, I feel bad if I visit another country for a week and don't make the effort to learn the basics.
This goes for people from my country abroad too. Can't stand the Brits who move to Spain and live in little English communities, etc.
Nah on the religious stuff, though.
This goes for people from my country abroad too. Can't stand the Brits who move to Spain and live in little English communities, etc.
Nah on the religious stuff, though.
Say a woman in, idk, France, is in an abusive relationship and her family doesn't care, and doesn't know a word of french, how is she going to ask for help?
Seriously this is bullshit and you know it. People come to countries on their own the Govt should not be the one telling them how to be. People will naturally want to learn the language etc, they should not be forced to do so.
That's is NOT forced assimilation. Forced assimilation by definition is LITERALLY forcing people to adopt a language.
Which apps are they referring to here? WhatsApp?
As in, they can pull chat logs whenever they want?
"Immigrants should speak our language!"
"No one forces them to come to this country!"
Resetera sound more and more right wing every day.
"No one forces them to come to this country!"
Resetera sound more and more right wing every day.
A backdoor to encrypted chat programs? Fucking yikes.
I really dont think migrants, especially asylum seekers, should be forced to learn the language. They should be assisted in doing so if they want to, but if you're requesting asylum trying to learn a new language is the last thing on your mind.
More importantly, lmao@all of you saying you need to know the native language of a country to survive there. Ignoring how people have been doing just fine without this, tons of people get around in Europe with just English.
But Europe gonna Europe.
I really dont think migrants, especially asylum seekers, should be forced to learn the language. They should be assisted in doing so if they want to, but if you're requesting asylum trying to learn a new language is the last thing on your mind.
More importantly, lmao@all of you saying you need to know the native language of a country to survive there. Ignoring how people have been doing just fine without this, tons of people get around in Europe with just English.
But Europe gonna Europe.
This is like such bullshit. Govts Should be welcoming and offer ways to allow for people to be integrated but if they are forcing People to do so that crosses the line.
Seriously what kind of nationalistic bullshit is this.
Yup.
On a related note: a very interesting Swedish study among immigrants showed that those that answered the questions in Swedish had much more liberal views on things like homosexual rights, women's rights etc.
I work in education and we were not able to have an minute of silence for the french guy that got beheaded because our students thought this would be an act against their religion. I live and teach in a migration heavy area so I may be biased, but please give me everything from this draft. I can't even talk to the parents about it because there are no translators available to us.
Thank you for the definition. It proves my point. No one is forcing them to give up their culture. But learning the language is an absolute necessity to lead an independent life. That is indisputable. I am a migrant myself and know how my parents struggled because no one taught them the language. Today you have so many opportunities you would be a fool not to learn the local language.
Forced assimilation - Wikipedia
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They are not natives, to compare that with native indians or chinese uyghurs is moronic. like for real. tweettakesobad.gif
Having to learn a language does not mean your culture has to be erased or replaced, it comes on top of it. it's an invaluable tool.
Migrants not knowing the local language is bad for everyone, for the country they come in, for their children, for themselves..
Its Still forced assimilation if you are forcing people to adopt a langugage and religious education .
ITS NOT HAVING To learn a language they are forcing people to adopt it. This is like telling an American they much speak Chinese if they want to live here. Like what the hell is wrong with y'all.
They aren't though lol
they can feel free to use their own language/culture as much as they want
So like 90-97 percent of the kids raised in the EU require learning english, even though we don't have a native English speaking country within the EU anymore?
Do you guys really think this law is going to apply equally to say Americans or Canadians or Australians who migrate to Europe and only speak English as it is to a Syrian refugee who doesn't speak the local language? This law will not be equally applied and will discrimintate against poc.
Are we really going to pretend we don't know why France wanted this law and who they want it to apply against???
Are we really going to pretend we don't know why France wanted this law and who they want it to apply against???
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