Gears 5 might only have 4-5 mocap scenes, strange lack of campaign footage in general

Napalm_Frank · Jul 7, 2019

So Gears 5 is fast approaching, about 2 months from now exactly, and it feels like we have barely seen anything from the games single player content. In fact it feels like after the pretty cool reveal at E3 2018 they have been almost downplaying the campaing, certainly it didn't get a center stage at E3 this year like most assumed it would. Did I mention the game is out in 2 friggin months?

Well, I just came across this lil clip talking about the game's motion capture:

While I don't want to jump the gun just yet I'm starting to get this feeling it might not end up being the next AAA-epic from Microsoft that they desperately need. This is the time to show that Gamespass isn't going to completely cripple their high budget SP content cause it's a loooong way until Halo comes out. I hope this all ends up just being them wanting to keep things under wraps to surprise people but damn, give us something!

Datajoy · Jul 7, 2019

Yeah I still can't believe we didn't get a 10-12 extended gameplay look at E3. Very worrying tbh.

Meg Cherry · Jul 7, 2019

Halo's out in a year. Not really a long, long time.

Deleted member 1413 · Jul 7, 2019

I remember something similar with Halo 5 but I'm pretty sure that campaign was normal, probably just marketing reasons

Napalm_Frank · Jul 7, 2019

Mushroomer25 said:
Halo's out in a year. Not really a long, long time.

The last big single player game from MS was Gears 4 no? That's a big gap.

kadotsu · Jul 7, 2019

Cartridge Games said:
I remember something similar with Halo 5 but I'm pretty sure that campaign was normal, probably just marketing reasons

Oh yeah. Halo 5's beloved campaign. No need to worry.

Outrun · Jul 7, 2019

I am worried.

There is zero reason 8 weeks out not to build up the hype.

janusff · Jul 7, 2019

Abu · Jul 7, 2019

janusff said:

😂😂

Dyashen · Jul 7, 2019

Gonna quote myself from what i said earlier in the Xbox OT:

Slicer Dyster said:
They'll be pushing content very close to launch which considering the nature of game pass where "if they know about it, they'll check it out" makes perfect sense and feels very Netflix-like. In a way we've been speculating about MS potentially keeping announcements for games very close until they're ready to go, just because of their push on game pass. Marketing could be happening in a very similar way and maybe might've already been happening with other XGS games like SoT.

modiz · Jul 7, 2019

the lack of the campaign in E3 coupled with this news. I had high hopes for the campaign before when i heard its supposed to have bigger areas kinda like the new god of war, but i am starting to fear it might not have the necessary budget for its campaign to deliver.

MistahS · Jul 7, 2019

It just says 5 scenes with mocap. Not that the game only has 5 cutscenes overall.

RF Switch · Jul 7, 2019

In September if you watch NFL you will see the new Gears commercial at least 6 million times

Procheno · Jul 7, 2019

TheJackdog · Jul 7, 2019

I remember reading or hearing somewhere that they are using each month to promote different aspects of the game. E3 and June was escape or whatever , I think July was multi and August is horde? And then the last month, aka release month, is campaign.

I'm not positive if I remember right and even if I am, I still think holding campaign back this long especially after putting a big focus on it last year is a terrible idea.

mescalineeyes · Jul 7, 2019

Maybe it'll have less cutscenes and will be a more involved campaign instead of constantly breaking it up with story bits no one gives a shit about. (See also: half life)

or maybe the campaign will be dog shit like everything they've shown from this game so far ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Deleted member 1120 · Jul 7, 2019

I'm sure the game will have more than 4 or 5 scenes with mocap. lol
What he said in the video is performance capture, which is capturing the facial performance, for critical moments.

Crossing Eden · Jul 7, 2019

It is absolutely insane and borderline concern trolling to interpret what he said in that video as "Gears 5 will only have 4-5 scenes featuring performance capture."

Detective Pidgey · Jul 7, 2019

I've been worried since that ridiculous E3 showing. I want to remain optimistic about it all, that it's just a incredibly unusual way of marketing a game but I don't understand it at all.

After 4 I was expecting it only to get better and better when it comes to campaign. That being said, I don't think you can take anything from this when it comes to motion capture scenes though.

elzeus · Jul 7, 2019

I hope more companies show less of their games so that it can be more of a surprise. I hate when movie studios show the whole damn movie in the trailer.

Theorry · Jul 7, 2019

I think the OP doesnt know exactly what it all means. :P

MillionIII · Jul 7, 2019

That seems weird af

Deleted member 8196 · Jul 7, 2019

The video is saying: "PERFORMANCE CAPTURE", your title: "Only 4-5 scene of mocap".

Excuse me what?
Imagine thinking that an AAA game will have only 4-5 scenes of mocap in 2019.

TronLight · Jul 7, 2019

I mean they said they only used performance capture for 4-5 scenes, not that the game has 4-5 cutscenes.

Meg Cherry · Jul 7, 2019

Napalm_Frank said:
The last big single player game from MS was Gears 4 no? That's a big gap.

Crackdown 3 was in February. Not a good game, but still a big singleplayer release.

Besides that, I feel like most people subscribing to Game Pass are fairly well aware of Microsoft's short term plans at this point. High value on third-party singleplayer games (with stuff like Metro Exodus, Outer Worlds, etc), and continued support for service games.

Come the next console gen, their studios start delivering more typical AAA fare.

I don't feel like all that much weight is resting on Gears 5, TBH. It'll do strong numbers for it's multiplayer.

Klobrille · Jul 7, 2019

Pretty sure it'll be more than fine :)

Sankara · Jul 7, 2019

if true, maybe Microsoft undercut the budget because they went with Kait as the protagonist

mescalineeyes · Jul 7, 2019

Now, having watched the video ... wtf OP.

It'll have 5 scenes with performance capture instead of just motion capture. It's not even that hard to parse.

EvilBoris · Jul 7, 2019

There is another big game show before it's even out. People are concern trolling pretty hard for this

pswii60 · Jul 7, 2019

Gears 4 had 0 minutes of performance capture in case anyone was wondering.

Drencrom · Jul 7, 2019

Cartridge Games said:
I remember something similar with Halo 5 but I'm pretty sure that campaign was normal, probably just marketing reasons

kadotsu said:
Oh yeah. Halo 5's beloved campaign. No need to worry.

Meg Cherry · Jul 7, 2019

Crossing Eden said:
It is absolutely insane and borderline concern trolling to interpret what he said in that video as "Gears 5 will only have 4-5 scenes featuring performance capture."

I don't think there's anything "borderline" about it. This whole thread is predicated on intentionally reading this video to mean the worst case scenario, and then declaring that Gears 5 is the most vital game to Microsoft's entire Game Pass strategy.

Terbinator · Jul 7, 2019

Sankara said:
if true, maybe Microsoft undercut the budget because they went with Kait as the protagonist

Why would that mean the budget would be cut?

Deleted member 8196 · Jul 7, 2019

Napalm_Frank this might help you:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_capture

Motion capture (sometimes referred as mo-cap or mocap, for short) is the process of recording the movement of objects or people. It is used in military, entertainment, sports, medical applications, and for validation of computer vision and robotics.In filmmaking and video game development, it refers to recording actions of human actors, and using that information to animate digital character models in 2D or 3D computer animation

This is what performance capture means:

When it includes face and fingers or captures subtle expressions, it is often referred to as performance capture. In many fields, motion capture is sometimes called motion tracking, but in filmmaking and games, motion tracking usually refers more to match moving.

DSP · Jul 7, 2019

number of mocap scenes correlate with game quality now?

J_Viper · Jul 7, 2019

Cartridge Games said:
I remember something similar with Halo 5 but I'm pretty sure that campaign was normal, probably just marketing reasons

Halo 5 is considered by most to be the worst in the series though.

Something is definitely off about Gears 5, at least where the campaign is concerned.

Is it possible that this entry was handled by a B-team, while Coalition's A-team are working on a Scarlett project? I remember reading Splash Damage was working on this game in some capacity, so maybe the campaign was handed off to them?

Calvarok · Jul 7, 2019

kadotsu said:
Oh yeah. Halo 5's beloved campaign. No need to worry.

it was one of the best halo campaigns, it wasn't lacking for mocap, and they showed a h5 campaign demo that was an accurate representation of a level at the e3 before its release.

the halo 5 hate train feels like it was very retroactive with people who forgot everything about what it was actually like to play and just fixate on the relative lack of direct control of master chief. around release there was a ton of positivity after the incoherent mess that was halo 4's campaign.

this thread seems like it's jumping the gun by a lot. that clip also doesn't seem conclusive. it definitely is odd they didn't show the campaign this year after showing so much story stuff last year, but there are a lot of possible reasons.

Theorry · Jul 7, 2019

kadotsu said:
Oh yeah. Halo 5's beloved campaign. No need to worry.

The cutscenes were great tho.

MistahS · Jul 7, 2019

J_Viper said:
Halo 5 is considered by most to be the worst in the series though.

Something is definitely off about Gears 5, at least where the campaign is concerned.

Is it possible that this entry was handled by a B-team, while Coalition's A-team are working on a Scarlett project? I remember reading Splash Damage was working on this game in some capacity, so maybe the campaign was handed off to them?

Splash damage works on the multiplayer along with people from the Coalition.

Salty Rice · Jul 7, 2019

Sankara said:
if true, maybe Microsoft undercut the budget because they went with Kait as the protagonist

The only reason why Phil would ever cut their budget would be after hearing the idea of Gears POP!.

Deleted member 8196 · Jul 7, 2019

Sankara said:
if true, maybe Microsoft undercut the budget because they went with Kait as the protagonist

The title is misleading, the OP doesn't know the difference between mocap and performance capture.

Bunkles · Jul 7, 2019

Sankara said:
if true, maybe Microsoft undercut the budget because they went with Kait as the protagonist

That is one hell of a hot take even by Era standards.

Napalm_Frank · Jul 7, 2019

MistahS said:
It just says 5 scenes with mocap. Not that the game only has 5 cutscenes overall.

Of course. What I mean is that I hope the production values are high overall for the single player component instead of falling short.

Darkmaigle · Jul 7, 2019

Lock this up, super misleading OP

Theorry · Jul 7, 2019

J_Viper said:
Halo 5 is considered by most to be the worst in the series though.

Something is definitely off about Gears 5, at least where the campaign is concerned.

Is it possible that this entry was handled by a B-team, while Coalition's A-team are working on a Scarlett project? I remember reading Splash Damage was working on this game in some capacity, so maybe the campaign was handed off to them?

Splash Damage is working on Gears Tactics as the "lead dev" with support from The Coalition offcourse. Gears 5 is made fully by the Coalition with support of Splash Damage on the MP. Think maps and future maps.

The Boat · Jul 7, 2019

I find equating motion capture to cutscenes, budget and scale very weird. Well, not that weird because movie like games is what the big publishers have been pushing it with blockbusters.

I only have a passing interest in Gears, but I do know that the devs have been crunching very hard for many months.

Ra · Jul 7, 2019

The person in the video was saying there are scenes which require EXTRA emphasis on the facial/acting animation, and they found 4 to 5 moments in the story which will get that performance capture.

Vj27 · Jul 7, 2019

Concern troll is concerned. Listen, I got my fair share of worries about gears just like everyone else since we're all in the dark about this, but the graphics sure as hell ain't one em. This game could have no mocap and still look gorgeous, it's gears, when has a gears game ever looked bad? Answer is never. The graphics will be fine, plus like everyone else said there's a difference between performance capture and mocap.
Here's a quick Wikipedia explanation:

"When it includes face and fingers or captures subtle expressions, it is often referred to as performance capture. ... Whereas early techniques used images from multiple cameras to calculate 3D positions, Often the purpose of motion capture is to record only the movements of the actor, not his or her visual appearance."

Mercenary09 · Jul 7, 2019

Cartridge Games said:
I remember something similar with Halo 5 but I'm pretty sure that campaign was normal, probably just marketing reasons

LMAO. If Halo 5 is any indication then Gears 5 is in for a rough time.

Honestly the fact that they have shown next to nothing is worrying enough for a game that is out in two months. That's a big red flag no matter how anyone wants to spin it.

Bundy · Jul 7, 2019

After that terrible E3 showing, it is becoming weird.

Gears 5 might only have 4-5 mocap scenes, strange lack of campaign footage in general

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