Hey, would, uh, one or all of you try unvoting B-Dubs, for a sec? You can put your vote back immediately after (if you can)
Just wanna, you know
be scientific
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Just wanna, you know
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The only thing I can't figure out is if Dubs is scum with this power and we assume based on this he stole sorian's power - wouldn't that only be useful to find out neutrals?
Unless of course we have another similar power situation.
Unless of course we have another similar power situation.
Yay, no traffic, which is surprising, because folks out here are surely acting like everything is JUST fine.
There are ways to thread out from Blarg play what Blarg is doing. The style itself from Blarg is not inherently scummy. I would argue that Salva's wild changeable theories are more noise, or my frequent posts, tbh, but people are gonna play how they're gonna play and you have to look through that.
But I also know you know this and that you're defending this so hard is also about the most you've done all game is telling.
This is patently untrue and I am exactly the asshole who will go look through past games for examples. Yes, sometimes you are scumread early games for low presence, but your towniness often shows later. There's not even a glimmer here. The way you reluctantly revealed information, the way it didn't exactly make sense, the stubborn clinging to generalizations over actual reads, the way even Stu was concerned... that all points to mafia.
You'll note, I assume, that Blarg is not always 100% scum in every game he plays, yet does absolutely play some variation of this style in every game he plays, yes?
There are ways to thread out from Blarg play what Blarg is doing. The style itself from Blarg is not inherently scummy. I would argue that Salva's wild changeable theories are more noise, or my frequent posts, tbh, but people are gonna play how they're gonna play and you have to look through that.
But I also know you know this and that you're defending this so hard is also about the most you've done all game is telling.
This is patently untrue and I am exactly the asshole who will go look through past games for examples. Yes, sometimes you are scumread early games for low presence, but your towniness often shows later. There's not even a glimmer here. The way you reluctantly revealed information, the way it didn't exactly make sense, the stubborn clinging to generalizations over actual reads, the way even Stu was concerned... that all points to mafia.
He explicitly said that wasn't due to his role. I suppose he could be lying, but I'm not sure the timing makes sense. Especially now that Geno's has gone missing. B-Dubs clearly was able to use the role he copied once he got it, otherwise the chat last night couldn't have happened. Not sure why there would be such a big delay for it to go missing.
That reminds me, wasn't the gossip leader supposed to be costumed? B-dubs wasn't?
-sigh- I assume this is in regards to my pm. So me deciding 'this is not worth saying unless someone else mentions it' because I genuinely knew NOTHING about it is... reluctant?
So you are basically saying I should have came out with it post 1, d1 and make it easier for scum to quietly plot to get rid of me and A in one fell swoop?
:(
Stu's is still here for now but we need to keep an eye on it, though with timing, who knows.
Absolutely waiting now though for Dubs to walk in claiming he took Sorian's role too and lied to us ~for reasons~ or whatever.
Ok, so, what you are saying here is that dubs has the ability to take abiities from dead players.
If we look at this from a scum dubs perspective, this seems desperate. He was almost voted out but was saved at the last second in a panic tie, that thankfully is not that much of an issue now since we know sawnee and nin are town, Vere was cleaned by monkey, and the only player who is still not clean is... well, monkey. If it was an attempt to bus and save a scummate, hmm, I just don't see just monkey trying that, not at the last second and not without cordination. Its stupid risky and its, for monkey completely, totally unoptimal. I think I'm 100% convinced monkey is town now. If monkey wanted to vote another player, Blarg is there. Malus is there. Yeah, I don't see scum-monkey making this play.
I got a bit side-tracked here. So you are telling me dubs gets to pick powers and we have evidence he took Geno's in the chat Monkey and Natiko got added to. So I'm looking back at Geno's role and.... its gone. The flavour for tresh is still there but the nen abilities are gone.
I look at turmnoil, still there, the deep purple command is there.
Sorian, as pointed before, also got his powers scrubbed.
Kalor stll has his power there
And so is Stu's, still there
So there is evidence of something that Sorian and Geno got their powers taken, but not the others.
And we now know that dubs took Geno's power, but then that would mean he took Sorian's powers too. And if he did, why lie about it in the chat? Wouldn't it be better for dubs to just say he got it he did? "Hey guys, I got Geno's and Sorian's power, who do you want me to check" Bam, done.
But he didn't either because dubs doesn't have the power, or maybe he can just use one at the time but he already picked sorian, so he trashed it to use Geno. But if that is the case, why not pick Kalor's power to votekill? Or Stu's for the easy shot and vest?
Maybe he felt going for the pocket was better, but clearly went in without a plan, just "Hey friends I made a chat we cool?". But if you are scum you don't need to be friends you just kill and get powers that kill. Maybe there is a restriction that doesn't let him take killing powers?
Also, monkey, if you are so scared of dubs stealing stus power and killing someone else for free, why not activate your ITA and just shoot him and lynch one more of the list? I get that you had Natiko as back-up with the dubs story but that is a huge risk, unless you were betting on dubs not killing to try and keep the town charade? There is very little stopping dubs from just shooting you now if he has access to stu. Do you think mentioning stu may have been a bluff to keep you quiet about the chat?
Not gonna lie, this looks really really bad for dubs, even if he is saying the truth his reasons are flimsy at best.
No, even once it was out we had to coax information out of you, Donna.
Because it's a 10% shot and we saw how great that was. What I wanted from ITAs... already happened.
Because we have almost no vote data from yesterday likely due to the ITAs + weekend.
Because there is another aspect to my role that is different from Natiko's extra aspect.
The Claim List DIY edition: I think that's everything (presented by Aeleus)
Verified Powers List:
-Sorian, Linked Cop: Checks 2 players each night to find if they share alignmen. Emitter?
-Turmoil, 2-shot Switcher: Manipulator?
-Geno, Lantern Master: Each day adds two players to a permanent gossip chat with geno, if a town player in the chat dies they enter a special dead chat with geno, targeted Muffin and Sawneeks D1. Transmuter?
-Stu, Insane Killer: Had 3 cop shots, 1 day vig shot (to be used by D3 and couldn't target a invest target) and an activatable BP vest, shot Sorian D1 and green checked Verelios N1. Conjurer.
-Sawneeks, Ghostly Emissary: Learnt Royal was town at start of game, each night would track a player but would only find results post death. Had a 1-shot role name cop but only worked if target visits or was visited, no movement on Kyan N1, action failed on Natiko N2. Transmuter?
-Nin, Ninphomaniac: Became lovers with a chosen target N1 (Sawneeks) and is given a gossip chat with them + 1-shot BP. Enhancer/Transmuter?
-Kalor, Vote Hoarder: Planted a bomb on target who would die 24hrs into next day phase, Kalor would get a point for every vote on the target when they died and winned with 10 points. Specialist?
Claimed Powers List:
-Dr. Monkey, ITA creator: Can start an ITA mini game with a 10% hit chance at the beginning of the day, mini game lasts 24 hours. Emitter.
-Natiko, ITA Creator and Master: Can start an ITA mini game with a 10% hit chance at the beginning of the day, mini game lasts 24 hours. Boosts theirs and a targets hit chance to 100%. Ability verified D2, no-one hit with a random shot. Emitter.
-Royal, ???: Targeted Monkey and Kalor N1, power seems to come into affect after target dies.
-Malus, ???: Had a 1-shot BP vest claimed to have lost all power after losing it. BP verified by being shot D2.
Mysteries:
The Director: Donna was told they were the director at game start and Aeleus was told that Donna was the director, was town and that something bad would happen to them if Donna was lunched. Whoever caused this effect hasn't claimed so is likely an evil ability.
The vote locker: At some point in D2 Salva couldn't unvote Stu and Blarg couldn't unvote blarg, causing stu to die. Almost certainly a scum ability.
The post mortem vaniliser: Sorian's Will was altered to become vanilla at some point. Edit time indicated it happened during N1.
Case Closed:
The hijacked powers!: It was initially thought Monkeys power had been hijacked but it turned out that her's and Natiko's were just very similar. Sawneeks role also seems to share similarities to the director mystery but seems unrelated.
ITA results:
Dr. Monkey -> Kalor [Neutral]: Hit and killed!
Natiko -> Malus: Hit and survived...
Sneeks [Town] -> Malus: Miss
Bear/Nin [Town] -> Nin [Town]: Miss
Stu [Town] -> Kalor [Neutral]: Miss
Donna [Town?] -> Blargonaut: Miss
Royal [Town?] -> Kalor [Neutral]: Miss
Blargonaut -> Donna [Town?]: Miss
SalvaPot -> Stu [Town]: Miss
Muffin -> Kalor [Neutral]: Miss
Verelios -> Blargonaut: Miss
malus -> Zipped: Miss
Zipped -> Muffin: Miss
Aeleus -> Zipped: Miss
Kyanrute -> Muffin: Miss
B-Dubs -> Zipped: Miss
Kalor [Neutral] -> Zipped: Miss
Verified Powers List:
-Sorian, Linked Cop: Checks 2 players each night to find if they share alignmen. Emitter?
-Turmoil, 2-shot Switcher: Manipulator?
-Geno, Lantern Master: Each day adds two players to a permanent gossip chat with geno, if a town player in the chat dies they enter a special dead chat with geno, targeted Muffin and Sawneeks D1. Transmuter?
-Stu, Insane Killer: Had 3 cop shots, 1 day vig shot (to be used by D3 and couldn't target a invest target) and an activatable BP vest, shot Sorian D1 and green checked Verelios N1. Conjurer.
-Sawneeks, Ghostly Emissary: Learnt Royal was town at start of game, each night would track a player but would only find results post death. Had a 1-shot role name cop but only worked if target visits or was visited, no movement on Kyan N1, action failed on Natiko N2. Transmuter?
-Nin, Ninphomaniac: Became lovers with a chosen target N1 (Sawneeks) and is given a gossip chat with them + 1-shot BP. Enhancer/Transmuter?
-Kalor, Vote Hoarder: Planted a bomb on target who would die 24hrs into next day phase, Kalor would get a point for every vote on the target when they died and winned with 10 points. Specialist?
Claimed Powers List:
-Dr. Monkey, ITA creator: Can start an ITA mini game with a 10% hit chance at the beginning of the day, mini game lasts 24 hours. Emitter.
-Natiko, ITA Creator and Master: Can start an ITA mini game with a 10% hit chance at the beginning of the day, mini game lasts 24 hours. Boosts theirs and a targets hit chance to 100%. Ability verified D2, no-one hit with a random shot. Emitter.
-Royal, ???: Targeted Monkey and Kalor N1, power seems to come into affect after target dies.
-Malus, ???: Had a 1-shot BP vest claimed to have lost all power after losing it. BP verified by being shot D2.
Mysteries:
The Director: Donna was told they were the director at game start and Aeleus was told that Donna was the director, was town and that something bad would happen to them if Donna was lunched. Whoever caused this effect hasn't claimed so is likely an evil ability.
The vote locker: At some point in D2 Salva couldn't unvote Stu and Blarg couldn't unvote blarg, causing stu to die. Almost certainly a scum ability.
The post mortem vaniliser: Sorian's Will was altered to become vanilla at some point. Edit time indicated it happened during N1.
Case Closed:
The hijacked powers!: It was initially thought Monkeys power had been hijacked but it turned out that her's and Natiko's were just very similar. Sawneeks role also seems to share similarities to the director mystery but seems unrelated.
ITA results:
Dr. Monkey -> Kalor [Neutral]: Hit and killed!
Natiko -> Malus: Hit and survived...
Sneeks [Town] -> Malus: Miss
Bear/Nin [Town] -> Nin [Town]: Miss
Stu [Town] -> Kalor [Neutral]: Miss
Donna [Town?] -> Blargonaut: Miss
Royal [Town?] -> Kalor [Neutral]: Miss
Blargonaut -> Donna [Town?]: Miss
SalvaPot -> Stu [Town]: Miss
Muffin -> Kalor [Neutral]: Miss
Verelios -> Blargonaut: Miss
malus -> Zipped: Miss
Zipped -> Muffin: Miss
Aeleus -> Zipped: Miss
Kyanrute -> Muffin: Miss
B-Dubs -> Zipped: Miss
Kalor [Neutral] -> Zipped: Miss
um no?
I pretty much said it after A did?
I even quoted A saying 'I am curious about this'
It is almost as if you think I know more about this whole thing than I am letting on but I don't, I don't know what it does to A I don't know who did it I DON'T KNOW
Oooh, ok, yeah that makes sense. If its only 10% then you are as much of risk at getting shot and if dubs takes stus power he has two go's at you.
Oh, by all means, allow me:
Instead of just saying that could could confirm that and here's what you know and what you don't, it takes multiple people questioning to find out when you got it, what it said, if it was red text, how it related to PM timing.
If we hadn't questioned you, all we would have gotten was that it was confusing.
I'm also going to point out that you claimed Dubs was towny-feeling, said you'd ISO him, but then turned around and voted him to resolve him.
Please do, because I think we are about three steps from solving the game so if you got info, spill.
So he was, to some degree, reading and thinking on D2, even when it did not show up that much. And the actions that are shown here too are active anti-town inaction by not taking Sorian's role (but it is gone with Geno now so did he take it for a future fake claim or something?) and the other action, well, that is a little pocket there I think. Muffin being more sus than Sneeks comes out of nowhere, don't think that is a very old read. It is a easy topic to talk about too. Should check ITA targets to see what he could've been interested in, chat duo, were names named?
[fake]bdubs[vote]
B-Dubs give us a good post. You need it.
@.@ I can't win here. And I said things as I needed to, I was opening people questioning me I wasn't sure what all the information would have wanted, this is the first time something like this has happened to me - I didn't know HOW to react and what to do but you know, I 'should' know somehow and be a mindreader.
^^; I'm going to take a small break for tea to try and calm down.
Donna, please do take your break and chill but all I'm saying is: your actions so far have not come off as very town. If you are town, this is me laying out the red flags. Obviously I am interested in Dubs today, not you, and I'd put you very low on my priorities regardless.
Most of the suspects shot at Zipped, who would be an easy target to justify and who I think is more likely town than scum here.
Congratulations Director Donna you are being looked after by your own guardian angel.
Or more accurately by me, The Board.
At the start of the game I am given a random town to look after. Donna is as town as Royal.
During the first 24 hours of each day phase I can send a command to Fran to give Donna one of many benefits (ie, lunchproof, day kill immune, night kill immune) seeing B-Dubs claiming a day vig shot and not trusting him with it, Donna is currently day kill immune, let that test my ability.
Being an extradimensional being death cannot stop me, rather than being allowed to go to spec I am instead able to use all of my abilities (I'm still dead though so can't post ect).
Also I'm an enhancer.
Or more accurately by me, The Board.
At the start of the game I am given a random town to look after. Donna is as town as Royal.
During the first 24 hours of each day phase I can send a command to Fran to give Donna one of many benefits (ie, lunchproof, day kill immune, night kill immune) seeing B-Dubs claiming a day vig shot and not trusting him with it, Donna is currently day kill immune, let that test my ability.
Being an extradimensional being death cannot stop me, rather than being allowed to go to spec I am instead able to use all of my abilities (I'm still dead though so can't post ect).
Also I'm an enhancer.
I am well aware of the red flags, however that is just me I guess?
The last thing I'll say on this is if I was scum, I would be asking for help or advice on how to word this in scum chat and people who have played with me as scum in the past know this is how I tend to work.
Now ^_^ time for some earl grey tea <3.
I mean, no one will test it now.
Okay, so like Sneeks' power, there's no way this can be messed with? Not altered? You're certain?
Okay, that's a dope role.
But why the run around with a possible third party?
Wow that is awesome, specially giving abilities after death. And I can see why you wouldn't fully reveal before, you couldn't risk scum figuring out what you would do.
Hmm, but I do think posting this now might be a mistake, if dubs has a shot he has one less target to aim for. But I doubt a scum-dubs would target a town-donna, since monkey was so hard on her. But you kinda leave her unprotected for tonight if what you are saying is true.
Lets assume Dubs is as evil as he seems to be. Why does he shoot town Donna, who is under some suspicion? Why does he shoot scum Donna, his comrade-in-arms?
I basically used the same trick as her. I'm assigned a random town at the start of the game.
Wanted to save Donna while revealing as little information as possible. But soon I became interested at how different players reacted to it as scum knew it didn't have anything to do with them.
Then I will revise, because Donna is the one least tied to the others anyway, whereas malus+Dubs+Muffin are pretty tied together in various ways - malus +Dubs from votes yesterday, malus+Dubs+Muffin with votes yesterday (or the lack of), Dubs+Muffin from the secret chat. If we work on the three who are tied, we will find the rest, I think, unless we have a deepwolf.
I can't imagine Aeleus would be scum protecting a town, though it would be clever as can be. Still, not into it.
Whoops, I forgot some people so revising anyway-
QUOTE="Dr. Monkey, post: 34364562, member: 2447"]
Town
Flush
Donna
Vere (green-checked, could be fuckery, doesn't feel like it, but maybe)
Natiko
Aeleus
(me, obv)
If there's a fourth scum, and there probably is, it's here:
(I personally do not think it's Zipped)
Salva
Blargonaut
Kyanrute
Zipped
Scum
malus
Dubs
Muffin
[/QUOTE]
I can't imagine Aeleus would be scum protecting a town, though it would be clever as can be. Still, not into it.
Whoops, I forgot some people so revising anyway-
QUOTE="Dr. Monkey, post: 34364562, member: 2447"]
Town
Flush
Donna
Vere (green-checked, could be fuckery, doesn't feel like it, but maybe)
Natiko
Aeleus
(me, obv)
If there's a fourth scum, and there probably is, it's here:
(I personally do not think it's Zipped)
Salva
Blargonaut
Kyanrute
Zipped
Scum
malus
Dubs
Muffin
[/QUOTE]
DON'T ANY OF YOU FUCKING DARE TURBOING B-DUBS! I have questions that need to be answered.
For starters I want to hear b-dubs' version of that power.
For starters I want to hear b-dubs' version of that power.
semantics are everything, how did you word the "random town" did you say something like random person who is town aligned or just "Random town".
I'm inclined to believe you, I still want B-Dubs today anyways. its a long game, we have time and I have other fish to fry on my list
Malus, Muffin and B-Dubs...
Dr. Monkey what do you think of Saw's results on Kyan N1? That moves him up the town list for me, but he could also be a passive or day ability user.
Another issue I find with this is... after Donna is gone, you are just vanilla. Sure Donna was at risk at getting voted out, but not yet, you still had at least one more day to save her if it came down to it. Hell, if you have lunchproof as an ability, why not use it for the next day and then you have one more day of her been safe. Even if you die, you could still protect her and also confirm her without having to reveal.
I want to lean town on this one, but its... too preventive? Dunno, something doesn't sit right with me. Not entirely convinced.