Having of your own kids & buying pet from a breeder is selfish

[rafiki]

There are millions of kids out there without home and desperately needs help, world population is growing exponentially. We are just like every other animals, the idea of reproduction is for survival but humans are not on a verge of extinction. Yet, very few people will adopt a child because they want something that's biologically their own?

Same thing with pets, i love dogs but i just find the idea of buying a dog from a breeder when there are so many in shelters immoral. Why do people do that? just because its new?

I am aware this is a very hot take on this subject but i am genuinely interested to hear the other side of the argument. Its okay to be selfish, as long as people except what it is.

 

[Border]

People buy from breeders because they want a specific breed. Kinda hard to find anything besides mutts in a shelter.

 

[Afro]

Having a child whether it's your own or adopted is pretty selfless since you're pretty much giving up a large amount of your free time, money, etc. to care for another human. Once you have a child your life is then dedicated to that child. It's no longer about you anymore.

I do agree that people should adopt slightly older and/or needy animals at shelters rather than going for the cute little kitten from the expensive breeder.

 

[Mesoian]

People buy from breeders because they want a specific breed. Kinda hard to find anything besides mutts in a shelter.

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Pretty much.

Also adoption is a little different then how OP is painting it. Most people want babies, which are in short supply. The ones who need adoption in solid healthy families the most are younger kids, who are often left on the wayside as people don't think, or more likely don't want, to raise someone already heading towards adolescence.

IMO - you should adopt from a shelter, but I get why people go to breeders.

 

[Deleted member 4034]

I mean, according to this site, if I adopt a pitbull, I'm putting other people, dogs and my own children in danger.

 

[Mesoian]

Having a child whether it's your own or adopted is pretty selfless since you're pretty much giving up a large amount of your free time, money, etc. to care for another human. Once you have a child your life is then dedicated to that child. It's no longer about you anymore.

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In theory, yes.

Though having worked in and for some households with multiple au pairs, I'd stress that it's all about the environment. Some of those houses treated their kids like roommates more than children.

I mean, according to this site, if I adopt a pitbull, I'm putting other people, dogs and my own children in danger.

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"Adopt from shelters or you're amoral! But not that one, or that one, or that one, or that one..."

 

[Strat]

Shut the fuck up.

 

[Brakke]

world population is growing exponentially

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Population growth rates have been declining for decades.

 

[Deleted member 54320]

Nah fam.

Just nah.

 

[Deleted member 8752]

I think it's absurd that OP lumps in having a biological child with going to a dog breeder. They're very different in literally every single way.

 

[Mendrox]

There are millions of kids out there without home and desperately needs help, world population is growing exponentially. We are just like every other animals, the idea of reproduction is for survival but humans are not on a verge of extinction. Yet, very few people will adopt a child because they want something that's biologically their own?

Same thing with pets, i love dogs but i just find the idea of buying a dog from a breeder when there are so many in shelters immoral. Why do people do that? just because its new?

I am aware this is a very hot take on this subject but i am genuinely interested to hear the other side of the argument. Its okay to be selfish, as long as people except what it is.

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Alright Rafiki....

 

[MajesticSoup]

Every dog in my local shelter is a large breed. Usually a pit bull mutt or lab. So no.

 

[Deleted member 32822]

This is it. The worst hot take in the history of HotTakeEra. OP needs a badge of his avatar.

 

[Laserbeam]

No.

I wouldn't ever get an animal from a breeder (nor do I want a kid!) but I get both of those things.

 

[cosmickosm]

100% selfish and that's perfectly fine. Most of what we do is based on being selfish anyways.

 

[kubev]

People buy from breeders because they want a specific breed. Kinda hard to find anything besides mutts in a shelter.

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Depends on where you're from. There are rescues that're dedicated to specific breeds in the San Francisco Bay Area, for example.

In either case, I don't think it's selfish to go to a breeder in general, but I do question the logic of getting certain breeds from breeders. If you want a Chihuahua or some sort of Pit Bull, for example, then you should get it from a rescue or shelter, in my opinion. Also, if you get a dog of one of those breeds elsewhere, then you should spay/neuter it. I hate it when people who own Pit Bulls insist on wanting to breed them, as if there aren't already so many Pit Bulls in shelters in need of a home.

 

[Akita One]

There are millions of kids out there without home and desperately needs help, world population is growing exponentially.

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Population growth rates have been declining for decades.

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I know right?

The world population is not growing exponentially...it weird how people just make up stuff with any facts and large groups of people just run with it. Also, adoption is extremely expensive and difficult, even in your own country. Adopting from another country is even harder.

A when you say "how dare someone want a kid with shared DNA and lineage" you should like some loner dude that never talks to people. Like...that's almost robotic to say something like that. Not to mention that most kids are created "by accident" and aren't planned.

Not to mention the phrase "same thing with pets"...like really? The mentality of adopting a pet isn't even close to adopting a child. Anyone that raises a kid the best they can, biologically or otherwise, is amazing.

 

[TheIdiot]

Lumping in kids with pets together is a terribly short-sighted argument. Also, clearly OP has 0 experience with the process of adoption/adoption agencies in general.

 

[Kyuuji]

The predicate your argument is built on is false; world population isn't growing exponentially nor are you able to simply adopt the worst in need.

 

[Kingasta]

Nah...

 

[Cyberclops]

I sincerely hope you have an adopted child OP or else you're really talking out of your ass.

 

[Jesse_and_the_rippers]

The nihilism posing as wokeness on this site is approaching parody. We're not far from people arguing that suicide is the only "non-selfish" option.

 

[collige]

There's a ton of structural, financial, and cultural barriers to adoption. the comparison to pets is asinine.

 

[CopyOfACopy]

shelters only have pitbulls

 

[Normal]

Good job lumping in kids with dogs.

 

[shadowkat]

The adoption process is long and complicated.

And while yes, it would be ideal to adopt from shelters sometimes you want a specific breed. Different breeds have different temperaments.

 

[Cokie Bear]

Adopting a kid can cost tens of thousands of dollars. There are many people out there who can afford the day to day costs associated with raising a child, but don't have up to 50k to plop down up front for one.

That aside, I think you'd need to be a robot or something to not understand why people would want their own biological children.

 

[Rei no Otaku]

Do people know that adoption isn't exactly easy? It's expensive and time consuming. You don't just go down the street and pick out a child.

 

[The Struggler]

My wife and I bought from a Samoyed breeder because we really wanted a samoyed and they are a rare breed to have in Canada

 

[Mammoth Jones]

Stop shitting on a person's choice to have children.

Shut the fuck up.

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This. Good job lumping my daughter with a fucking pet, OP.

 

[Dougald]

I've always adopted my pets, but people will generally buy a puppy if they want a particular breed. It's not really selfish, just not selfless.

The fact that you lump children in with pets as well is fucking galling. Giving up your life to raise any child is absolutely not selfish, and birth rates have been declining in general for decades. Plus, I don't know what country you live in OP, but the Adoption process here is a fucking nightmare to the point that I'd only consider it if my wife and I were unable to conceive, in spite of the fact I don't have a huge need for my children to be genetically related to me.

 

[FreeMufasa]

I at least respect you're aware enough to not have kids yourself because thoughts like that show a lack of maturity.

And it's always funny how nerds on the internet cry about people having kids from a resource angle, but then have multiples of every electronic.

They won't budge an inch on their wasteful gadget lifestyle but demand everyone else, especially those in third world countries to change.

 

[kai3345]

some of yall on this website need to go outside

 

[rafiki]

Good job lumping in kids with dogs.

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they are two different things, you can agree with one and not the other.

Adopting a kid can cost tens of thousands of dollars. There are many people out there who can afford the day to day costs associated with raising a child, but don't have up to 50k to plop down up front for one.

That aside, I think you'd need to be a robot or something to not understand why people would want their own biological children.

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I am not even arguing about why people wouldn't want their own child. I am saying its selfish act. You can have something and be selfish, its perfectly fine.

 

[Allietraa]

Do people know that adoption isn't exactly easy? It's expensive and time consuming. You don't just go down the street and pick out a child.

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Are you saying you cant just walk up to the orphanage, drop $50 and walk out with a kid? I dont think I believe you. It's "adoption" just like getting a pet from a shelter. It has to be the same process or they couldnt call it "adoption". Duh.

 

[Cokie Bear]

they are two different things, you can agree with one and not the other.




I am not even arguing about why people wouldn't want their own child. I am saying its selfish act. You can have something and be selfish, its perfectly fine.

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You haven't explained how it is selfish though.

 

[ConanEd]

By your logic, OP you should donate all of your extra money to starving children. Keep any spear money to yourself is selfish.

 

[Chopchop]

Raising a kid means dedicating a lot of your life to that kid.

If people choose to do that, most would understandably want to do that with someone that they have a personal connection to rather than a stranger.

That's not even counting all the hoops you have to jump through to adopt.

And comparing kids to dogs? What?

The nihilism posing as wokeness on this site is approaching parody. We're not far from people arguing that suicide is the only "non-selfish" option.

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I've seen the odd post suggesting genocide as a solution for overpopulation or climate change or something, and it's fucking ridiculous.

 

[Fatoy]

Adopting a child is a quantifiably bigger commitment than having a child of your own. You don't have the luxury of shaping their earliest years to help them acclimatise to your way of living; you don't have the biological bond to increase the odds that you'll love them unconditionally; they have the right in their teenage years to know that you're not their biological parent. And that's just a few of the challenges.

I admire people who adopt, and I know several people who have, but it's definitely not for everyone. Adopting is a pretty selfless thing to do, no argument, but that doesn't mean that anyone who wants to have their own child is selfish. There's a lot more to this picture.

 

[cyress8]

Well, 2 of my dogs are actual strays that I found at work, (I was able to get the rest of the litter adopted by some of my customers) so I guess I'm going to be in the OPs good graces. Sucks for the rest of you!

 

[collige]

they are two different things, you can agree with one and not the other.

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Your poll is a yes/no question lmao

And it's always funny how nerds on the internet cry about people having kids from a resource angle, but then have multiples of every electronic.

They won't budge an inch on their wasteful gadget lifestyle but demand everyone else, especially those in third world countries to change.

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Having a kid is a much bigger contribution to your carbon footprint. See:

https://www.independent.co.uk/envir...nge-damage-having-kids-research-a7837961.html

 

[Z-Beat]

OP, adoption isn't on the same plane as getting a dog from the shelter

 

[Equippedwithtowel]

It's definitionally selfish in so far as it is less selfless then the alternative but I'm don't think it's prohibitively selfish.

 

[rafiki]

I at least respect you're aware enough to not have kids yourself because thoughts like that show a lack of maturity.

And it's always funny how nerds on the internet cry about people having kids from a resource angle, but then have multiples of every electronic.

They won't budge an inch on their wasteful gadget lifestyle but demand everyone else, especially those in third world countries to change.

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Sorry to break it to you, but I am going to have kids lol. And I am fully aware its still bit selfish, but i try to donate as much as i can to orphanage

 

[Strangelove_77]

This is the most Era thing anyone has ever said on Era.

 

[RDreamer]

Man, what's with the attacks on parenthood lately? Fucking weird stuff.

Yes more people should adopt. Personally I'm leaning toward that if my wife and I want another child. But to say it's outright selfish to have your own child? I dunno man. That's just a fucking scorching take.

I do like adopting dogs though. Breeders suck. Our dog we adopted at 10 years old. She was dumped by her shitty first 'family,' so we gave her an awesome home and she's been amazing the last 4 years.

 

[Orbit]

There are millions of kids out there without home and desperately needs help, world population is growing exponentially. We are just like every other animals, the idea of reproduction is for survival but humans are not on a verge of extinction. Yet, very few people will adopt a child because they want something that's biologically their own?

Same thing with pets, i love dogs but i just find the idea of buying a dog from a breeder when there are so many in shelters immoral. Why do people do that? just because its new?

I am aware this is a very hot take on this subject but i am genuinely interested to hear the other side of the argument. Its okay to be selfish, as long as people except what it is.

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nah, wanting to have your own, biological kid is NOT selfish. The Government demonizing sex/safe sex, birth control, abortions is selfish and cruel. so many poor, innocent children get caught up in being raised by terrible parents who should have never had kids (accidental pregnancy/teenage pregnancies) or subjected to a cruel foster system and never getting adopted.

 

[Dark1x]

Possibly the worst take I've read on this site to date

 

[Deleted member 12790]

OP is selfish for using natural resources

 

[kambaybolongo]

The nihilism posing as wokeness on this site is approaching parody. We're not far from people arguing that suicide is the only "non-selfish" option.

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