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Heroes Vs. Villains 2 Mafia [OT] - A Clash of Light and Darkness
- Thread starter Geno
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Trying to figure anything by looking at scum flips, confirmed night actions and stuff like that is hilarious. Like, Ket's and Fand's flips are being messed with are two still unexplained events... and they both happened during nights when the FoL team theoretically couldn't even kill.
I'm probably better off just rereading the thread itself.
I'm probably better off just rereading the thread itself.
Uhhh ok
Interesting that FoL would shoot Chuggs then though if that's where the missing kill went, but not shooting VA is already weird so what do I know
We know 2/3 of FoD and FoL, so it's worth trying to track actions vs event role blocks early on, I think. Cooking breakfast but I will take a loo when I'm back at my PC
I think I'll be busy starting at around an hour before EoD, so given I'm certain I'll be in the running can we try and finish the day around then?
Picking between Chuggs and Sawneeks I think Chuggs is far far more likely to be FoL not only because he was targeted by Wee so is unlikely Jedah but also because his weirdness getting on and then getting off my wagon when it was between Swamped and me.
Picking between Chuggs and Sawneeks I think Chuggs is far far more likely to be FoL not only because he was targeted by Wee so is unlikely Jedah but also because his weirdness getting on and then getting off my wagon when it was between Swamped and me.
I'm good with this
Why don't you think Sawneeks might be scum? Just 4th place or do you actually town read her?
I town read her. And while Faddy might have lied about the greencheck he got on her, or she's a godfather, it's still too far away from considering compared to the others I listed.
Faddy never got the soul stone (Loki had it if flavour is to be believed) so he never had an alignment check to begin with.
I think Fran got a vig shot from his item so I think that's the most likely cause for the double kill
Ohh, I never realized that.
Then it's just that I town read her, and her role claim checks out. I doubt we have two scum commuter fake claims.
"Nah, no way two scum on different teams would fake claim commuter - especially when the one that did the counter claim was behind on the thread and thought Fran had claimed ascetic due to Aeleus's recap notes"
"Two item thieves on the same scum team is a realistic possibility"
Eh, I guess. I'll keep Sawneeks in mind, but I still don't think she's more likely scum than my current list.
dear god can someone link me to one of those posts listing the role blocks cause holy crap I can't search and going through the thread is pain
The only thing that is throwing me off on Aeleus is that thunderdome swap between Brazil and maol. We still haven't found a power that could have caused that right? Aeleus can only be FoL if there's a power that caused the swap (otherwise he would have no incentive to not include maol). We also have that fucking janitor kill on Fand which is making less and less sense - about the only explanation I can see is the third Jedah member earned a janitor kill.
It's me being cheeky regarding Muffin's thoughts - they are not verbatim quotes.
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Oh thanks, lol.
I'm trying to quick read during this break. 3 hour long classes. -_____-
Also I'd just like to point out all three scum teams had an item steal (Fran for FoD, Vere for FoL and Weemadarthur for JA). Faddy (Neutral) took his Infinity Stones passively.
Town's item thief is ________________.
Oh wait, it's me.
Town's item thief is ________________.
Oh wait, it's me.
I think these are all the roleblocks we know of
This is actually why I moved my vote off you.
No time to say more. :(
Interestingly, Ketkat's role PM was cleaned but FoD (who presumably killed her) did not have a Janitor. Verelios was a janitor, but was also already dead when Ketkat died, and required that Verelios perform the faction kill.
also holy shit I just learned that if you click the skull near someone's name in the Vote Count page it takes you to their elimination post.
WHY ISN'T THERE A MANUAL FOR THIS THING??
WHY ISN'T THERE A MANUAL FOR THIS THING??
To build on this point, Fandorin was also killed on a Forces of Darkness kill night, and his role PM was also cleaned, but again FoD didn't have a Janitor on their team.
Hey Brazil and Muffin
I know you both said somewhere in the game thread who you put in chats and what nights, but can the two of you refresh me? This thread is too big to search well.
I'm worried that Chuggs might be NK immune or something similar but I'm otherwise ok with saving him for Natiko tonight.
I haven't bothered to do this myself so I don't actually know what kind of answers you'll get but I recommend looking through past mafiera game data if you're worried gladiator might not be a town role
Okay, I think I'm settled. Aeleus is the final FoL member. The final Jedah member has/had a swap that was used on one of their own members (maol) and Brazil. The final Jedah member also had or earned a janitor kill by N5.
Aeleus was roleblocked N4 - the death that night was Zipped. Swamped is most likely to have used her Poison kill N1 - especially after tying for second in votes D1. This would explain Zipped's death, and he is a decent fit as someone likely to slip by and not die prior to the poison taking effect (you wouldn't want to pick someone likely to be NKed or voted out). Aeleus being blocked is the reason we never saw a second kill that night.
I had also forgotten this whole weirdness D1 in which Aeleus lists three scumreads (Fran, Vere, and Zipped) and only ever bothers to push Fran strong, push Zipped moderately, and then continually claims his read on Vere is gut and not give any reasoning beyond that. Scum teams love to sprinkle scumreads around on their buddies and not follow through early on in order to have some groundwork laid to jump on a bus vote of them if needed without actually being a driving force in their vote wagon.
Fun bonus of Swamped wanting to divert votes away from potentially FoL/FoL scum wagons (after having already lost Vere the night before):
VOTE: Aeleus
Aeleus was roleblocked N4 - the death that night was Zipped. Swamped is most likely to have used her Poison kill N1 - especially after tying for second in votes D1. This would explain Zipped's death, and he is a decent fit as someone likely to slip by and not die prior to the poison taking effect (you wouldn't want to pick someone likely to be NKed or voted out). Aeleus being blocked is the reason we never saw a second kill that night.
I had also forgotten this whole weirdness D1 in which Aeleus lists three scumreads (Fran, Vere, and Zipped) and only ever bothers to push Fran strong, push Zipped moderately, and then continually claims his read on Vere is gut and not give any reasoning beyond that. Scum teams love to sprinkle scumreads around on their buddies and not follow through early on in order to have some groundwork laid to jump on a bus vote of them if needed without actually being a driving force in their vote wagon.
Fun bonus of Swamped wanting to divert votes away from potentially FoL/FoL scum wagons (after having already lost Vere the night before):
VOTE: Aeleus
They would have had to start with 2 shots that stick to someone, or flipping with a clean role PM was the role of either Ketkat or Fandorin.
I apparently need to read outermafia more.
Since it appears the reasons for scum reading me have gone in a big circle I'm looking forward to FoL flipping today and tomorrow being read as the final member of Jedah for using the word till :P
The first point is actually a good thought - sometimes janitor is a separate action as opposed to a kill modifier. Not sure why the difference in information provided between the two flips though. If it sticks it actually better explains what happened N5 because of Fran's additional kill missing if Jedah sent an actual kill now that I think about it.
It's also process of elimination, but the case on you being FoL fits better than for anyone else I think - especially the N4 death of only Zipped.
If we're talking about following psychic reads it should probably be pointed out that so far every single one of my votes ended up on scum except TP/Sawneeks 👀
Only after me, Sawneeks and Chuggs are dead would that be an ok choice IMO
What do you think of the posts I quoted from Chuggs of him reacting to the possibility of Swamped or me being lunched?
So according to Aeleus's list, Brazil created chats for Verelios\Weemadarthur, and Brazil\Fando
Sorian was put into chats with Weemadarthur and L_P.
But for now I believe the checks, so Aeleus or Sawneeks.
Sorian was put into chats with Weemadarthur and L_P.
My vote will almost certainly be on either Aeleus or Sawneeks today. But if they flip town, we have to move into "whose claims are shakiest" territory, and unless you can give me a good solid reason for scum to have a Plague Doctor, there's no doubt to me who has the shakiest claim. Plus, your flip tells us about Brazil, since his green-check relies on you not lying about your power. I mean, his claim is sketchy enough since both of his chats targeted people who never got a chance to confirm them, so without your check, Brazil could easily be our final Jeddah's Alliance.
But for now I believe the checks, so Aeleus or Sawneeks.
I think that means we have to flip Sawneeks and see if the streak continues.
Sorry, this was meant to show that Muffin had to have created the two Sorian chats, I was answering my own question to both Brazil and Muffin earlier.
You got Las Plagas N2, right? Just trying to track Maol that night, and he's our only source of infection currently.