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Heroes Vs. Villains 2 Mafia [OT] - A Clash of Light and Darkness
- Thread starter Geno
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From Aeleus:
Sorian: Ket, TP, L_P
Aeleus: Fran, Zipped, TP
Wee: Apop, neon, kits, faddy
Fran: Neon, Ketkat, Zipped, Maol
Fanto: Kalor, Apop, Kits, Malus
Cat: Faddy, Wee, Stuart
TP: Maol, Neon, Stuart
Maol: ???
Kalor: Neon, Maol
Stu: Kits, TP
Muffin: ???
L_P: TP
Brazil: Ketkat, Maol
Fandorin: Maol, VA
Ketkat: Kits, Malus
Apop: Faddy, fanto
Absolutbro: L_P, Ket
Zipped: Sorian?
Kits: ???
Loki: Maol
Neon: VA, TP, Malus, Ket
Chuggs: Kits
VA: Maol
Malus: Faddy,
Faddy: Apop, TP, Malus
1. [She/Her] Cat - CST = 0
10. [He/Him] Brazil - GMT-3 = 0
11. [He/Him] Fandorin - GMT-3 = 0
3. [He/Him] Fantomas - CDT = 1
5. [He/Him] Kalor - BST = 1
7. [He/Him] Fran - GMT-3 = 1
8. [They/Them] Sorian - CST = 1
16. [They/Them] Weemadarthur - CST [Wee] = 1
6. [He/Him] Stuart444 - BST [Stu] = 2
14. [He/Him] Zippedpinhead - GMT-5 = 2
18. [He/Him] Vincent Alexander - CST-6 = 2
9. [He/Him] Lone_Prodigy - EST = 3
13.[He/Him] Apopheniac - EST = 3
17. [he/him] NeonBorealis - CST = 4
19. [He/Him] Malus - CEST = 4
20. [He/Him] Faddy - UTC+1 = 4
12. [She/Her] Ketkat - GMT-4 = 5
15. [She/Her] Kitsunelaine - GMT+12 = 5
2. [He/Him] TearablePuns - EST = 6
4. [He/Him] Maolfunction - PST = 6
Just to remind people, only of a couple of these are from people who actually requested people in a thunderdome, the rest were done by me rereading the thread in order to try and find who they scum read
can you not build the Chat AND look in on it in the same night? I have no idea how your power works.
No. Creating the chat is a day action - hacking is a night action.
He created the chat on D4, and then hacked it and copied loki on N4. He moved three times between D4 and N4.
Can you not hack a chat on a later night? Like Copy Loki N4 and then hack the chat N5?
I was already weirded out by how you were able to copy the entirety of my powers + loki's powers when we already had a town backup in malus.
Two actions in one night on top of that?
You can normally only do one action a night. However...I was able to BP and Heal the same night, so I don't know
No you cant, I dont know why you're asking. I already said I did two actions. I can do that with the copy.
Didn't Geno say you couldn't at first? And he had to change his mind later?
Vincent Alexander I've been meaning to ask you, which power did you use first that night anyway? Protect (whoever) then Shield (me) or the other way around?
I see where you're going with this - but I'm not sure that it's as conclusive as you think. Geno can design roles to ignore the limitations set in place for a normal role. I don't think it's the same as final scum getting to kill and use an action.
Thank you. I dunno - with Aeleus seeming unlikely to be FoL and Chuggs still seeming less likely in my opinion I think I might go with Saw today after all.
Yes. I gave BP to Absolut and Healed Chuggs that same night. Again though---Geno responded that I could not do two actions in a single night, which I was cool with. Then he decided that nah, I could do both. I took that to mean that my Heal wasn't hitting someone actually getting targeted, so he wasn't going to make a big deal out of it. I could be wrong though.
I doubt Geno would change the rules because you missed with one action. He probably just forgot you could do both.
right, right
I did both actions in a single PM. Technically speaking, my heal was on first line. Divine Shield on 2nd.
Agreed. "Change the rules" makes it sound worse. I took it with a chuckle, and in my head it played out like, "Fuck it. It ain't doing anything anywho." But you're probably right. Maybe. I dunno. I know nuthin.
That's not what I'm getting at. I don't think it's a "last scum" thing.
malus was already a confirmed town universal back up.
But then comes around Muffin and he can not only copy multiple town powers in their entirety without the original user needing to die, but also use multiple commands at the same time?
Normally later actions override earlier actions, so he could have just not cared. Something to worry about after the game though, I think.
Which means that "normally" you wouldn't be able to.
Multiple town powers restricted to robots so far. Do you think I would have had any chance at copying all robot characters if I wasnt able to copy all the time and do one action additionally? I missed Kits already, restricting the role further would make it even weaker.
I had my item for that. I thought that was self explanatory.
Okay, but then either way what you're saying is "this user was able to use multiple commands in a night, but it's unrelated to them being the final scum on a team or not" at which point the counter is why is Muffin using two actions relevant at all if it's not directly linked to them being scum? The role can be designed that way regardless of alignment. The point about him being able to outright copy players is a better point, but his copy was limited both by aligment and some other factor that people have speculated is robot shit but who knows. Malus was just a full backup and would get anything from town as opposed to having to find a valid target.
Also, I'm of the thought that Megaman has to be Muffin's actual character name and if it's not and Geno let him use his fake claim for the town confirm then fuck this whole game to hell.
You're saying you could copy three townie powers in their entirety?
Stop exaggerating. A chat creator and a cop if Im lucky enough to hit them, and one additionally if Im lucky enough to get my item. Theres a range of how that can go for me there.
I feel like you knew VA was lying :x
Aaaand this just kinda confirms it. Nat makes way more sense as a target than Chuggs.
As promised I'll now be leaving, there's a small chance I'll be able to quickly have a look on mobile but it's unlikely.
Final thoughts:
1. If you kill me, don't just start mindlessly turboing less than 3 hours after day start :/
2. While I believe them to be town turned SK, if FoL knew about the Galeem event then Stu/Natikos plays are pretty great for trying to maximize chance for winning off that. Less likely once we start seeing double kills.
3. Fandorin's role claim was freakishly close to Stan's so I still feel like there's a decent chance he might be the final Jedah member and we just weren't notified. If this is the case then I'd actually put Sawneeks ahead of Chuggs in scumminess, gut.
4. If people haven't already I highly recommend keeping your own colour coded voting record on a google doc or something, been very helpful for me this game.
Final thoughts:
1. If you kill me, don't just start mindlessly turboing less than 3 hours after day start :/
2. While I believe them to be town turned SK, if FoL knew about the Galeem event then Stu/Natikos plays are pretty great for trying to maximize chance for winning off that. Less likely once we start seeing double kills.
3. Fandorin's role claim was freakishly close to Stan's so I still feel like there's a decent chance he might be the final Jedah member and we just weren't notified. If this is the case then I'd actually put Sawneeks ahead of Chuggs in scumminess, gut.
4. If people haven't already I highly recommend keeping your own colour coded voting record on a google doc or something, been very helpful for me this game.
^^^^
This. If muffin is scum then I have words for Geno during post game.
Kits was an android. I'm confident I would have been able to copy that.
For God's sake don't make this be the reason we lose this game.
(Well, in case of Natiko... you know)
The last time we had conflicting claims in this game, we found scum.
How is town universal backup x 3-times simultaneous town backup with multiple night commands not a conflicting claims scenario?
I don't buy Chuggs as scum simply because no scum with only 2 teammates would do what he did during D1.
Aeleus' claim opposite Swamped during D2 also makes it really hard for me to buy the as her scummate. The only scenario I could see for them would be the last Maolmate, but I haven't looked into that.
Aeleus' claim opposite Swamped during D2 also makes it really hard for me to buy the as her scummate. The only scenario I could see for them would be the last Maolmate, but I haven't looked into that.
We just had the same thing with Stan and Fando who had similar roles, and are both town. Stan we know, Fando cant be not town if we believe the 3 three people scum teams theory.
And they're balanced differently than you're saying. I'm not 3 times as powerful as malus. Malus could backup anybody, barely any risk of not getting to use the shot involved.
Fine, let's go with Neeks today. My case for Aeleus isn't as strong as I thought it was also, so I'm okay with clearing up Neeks here.
Vote: Sawneeks
Vote: Sawneeks
Fand could be another harmful neutral. We don't know what he was, and the dichotomy with Stan tells me he was lying when he claimed to me.
I don't know how many times more powerful you are than malus - that's not the issue. The issue with malus is simply that your role is redundant with his in the game.
You're too powerful by yourself.
What possible reason could you have to be able to use two commands at the same night? If you'd copied Kits, would you be able to use three commands at the same time?