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House of Horrors Mafia |OT| Are You Afraid of the Dark?
- Thread starter Natiko
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The way you worded this is funny. Seems like a backhanded type question. No reads.
Cool
Fs to you.
I had Fantomas as town and with all the vitriol between Sorian and Rover, plus the mistrust?? of Sparky it didn't surprie me that Fanto was targeted. I thought I was in going to be a likelier night kill since I wasn't on the Turmoil vote. And that is even more likely since it would set up a Vere lynch. Unless they didn't want me and Vere dead because it exposed mafia Kopite.
Not buying this for day 1 things tbh. Still feels like busy work discussion.
I was just being dumb. I am legitimately curious about what you think
What's not busywork discussion right now in your mind?
I'm all ears since you seem to have disqualified all discussion so far with this logic.
Here is Fanto's last read list
They had kopite as scum. Kalor and Edge too. No idea if turmoil's flip makes Gotham or Ty more scummy or not.
They had kopite as scum. Kalor and Edge too. No idea if turmoil's flip makes Gotham or Ty more scummy or not.
I'm glad Fantomas is dead because I've sort of followed his lead a throughout all my games, and I have a habit of just assuming he is town because I've latched onto him a bit....Following a cannibal would have been bad. Still love you Fanto. Even though you might have tried to eat me.
Agreed. It would have been great if Fanto ate scum, but Verelios isn't bad because he was going to be a lynch choice.
I never put too much thought into someone's read list after they've been killed. Maybe he was on point with potential scum OR he was completely off, and scum wanted his death to seem like he is on to something. To me, it points to nothing.
I said discussing the nk is busywork. Which it is. That's not stopping you from connecting dots in other ways or actually scum hunting.
The reasoning of going through the nk to try and see why fanto was killed is.........meh? That path would likely lead nowhere and you could say that about any nk.
There's also the fact that we don't know what powers were at play last night, so saying mafia killed fanto for reads or w/e....... meh.
The fact that fanto was neutral that harmed town shades his reads as well.
Missed the end of last day. I see nothing changed and turmoil flipped town.
Fanto being neutral is cool but he's dead so that's that.
Fanto being neutral is cool but he's dead so that's that.
We can either look for some context for the game or we can just put down stuff with no arguments.
Mafia for me in order of confidence is kopite, kalor, brazil, chuggs, Aeleus.
Sorian claimed Sleepwalker (Neighbor, Voyer)
https://www.resetera.com/threads/ho...e-you-afraid-of-the-dark.111254/post-19845784
Comrade Doggo Sparky and Rover claimed Lovers (Teenage Lovers)
https://www.resetera.com/threads/ho...e-you-afraid-of-the-dark.111254/post-19857555
That's all the claims so far
Without seeing more roles, I don't think Fanto could have eaten scum. I don't know what filthy or the other descriptor mean in context here but that could just be the scum team.
Thanks
I think fanto could've eaten scum.
lol this is all bad. It has the background insinuation that scum somehow knew Fanto was neutral. It doesn't matter if his reads were bullshit, it does matter that scum thought they were real. And if you want to ignore the kills then the only other "dot" you have to connect is a one-sided mislynch and either people were on it or they were not. I'm well aware NK's can be made for no real reason but it's something to look at and with how little we have, there's no reason to dismiss it out of hand. (And no, I haven't gone back to read Fanto yet because I am busy, that sounds like a project I will do when I am bored at work tomorrow).
Okay here's what you said:
You didn't like the vote on turmoil but you weren't about to lift a finger to change people's minds.
That looks to me like you were actually fine with turmoil's vote.
But let's continue...
Once again being rather flippant about what the result of the flip would be, but you just very lazily push Kalor at the end here.
Why were you on Kalor anyway?
It was a vote you dropped ages ago with almost no context:
Which gang up was this? The one on turmoil?
Kalor was defending turmoil. The vote and your context make no sense.
I didn't say anything about ignoring the kills.
Fanto being harmful neutral means we can't fully trust his reads. Has nothing to do with what mafia thought.
Vere being town means we can trust he had town's best interest at heart.
I just didn't like you linking fanto's dear to mafia > must've been fantos reads.
Scum could easily go down that same route for mislynches
*shrug*
I see posts like the ones below and just see filler/busywork for scum to hide in.
Nothing of real substance. Just technical talk that doesn't really help town.
Nothing of real substance. Just technical talk that doesn't really help town.
Does Kalor defending Turmoil make sense? If Kalor knows Turmoil is town he could be trying to get some town cred for being right. wee also falls into this category.
We're gonna get to the topic of Kalor in a second
And by a second I mean 20 min from day end, probably
It's not a scum indicator.
>.>
I uh...may be filthy. I took a shower but what can you do. I hope fantomas died choking on me. I indicated it when I called LP clean and pure, for no reason.
Question, we have one role that interacts with the filthy or gaunt descriptor.
Why risk coming forward saying you are filthy or gaunt? What if there is another role that specifically targets filthy or gaunt?
Whether that is to kill or recruit them.
Or even to avoid them like fanto needed to do.
That comment from sorian wasn't even that serious imo to call yourself to claim filthy.
I already tried signaling scum in case I was a lost partner but that seems a no go, [no PMs or role reversals] so seeing that it certainly related to a neutral, and seeing bad speculation in the thread, I decided to share.
If it gets me killed by not a serial killer, oh well? This is a team game. And information needs to be accurate to be helpful.
This is correct, and I continue my post flip plan from day one, which is to look for people who were unengaged with the day end, because the were hanging out statically being all smug.
I don't think Brazil fits in there, he at least tried to start another train, which I tried to contribute to a bit to get some movement, but was still a 3rd town train [per me of course]y, so no wonder no scum [certainly correct since there was no 2nd vote on me lol] wanted to jump to it even when a whole BUNCH of people said they'd prefer my death to turmoil's.
I'll have to go find them I suppose. This means rereading so I'll come back when done unless i lazily leave off in the middle due to *ooh shiny*.
I don't know whether scum also have those modifiers, but you seemed certain that the SK could target scum. This gives me pause.
Yes, all right, if we have TWO serial killers, then maybe I have made myself a target.
It's still just a modifier and not a role in itself.
Weems the issue isn't really whether you care about being killed due to the modifier, it's that the modifier seems to act as a defense (so far) against harmful powers.
You coming out with the filthy claim could potentially help scum.
You coming out with the filthy claim could potentially help scum.
For fanto it was basically a rb.
It could function that way for other roles, if they target a certain modifier.
If we want to talk game meta then in the last game Natiko ran, it was about this size. It had 2 neutrals - 1 harmful, 1 benign. There is possibly someone out there who has to find the filthy or gaunt players and that is why fanto couldn't kill them.
That is how I would design a game.
That is how I would design a game.
You seem too certain of this night result.
vote: kopite
One of the people who seemed iffy yesterday to me, iirc, along with ty and uh. Well zeke. But at least he showed up to play, today.
Or it might not help scum at all. I only get given one role's info at the beginning and I make my decisions based on it. Seeing the modifier creeped me out because the sample PM didn't say anything like that with town and made me think it could be a recruit token, so I tried signaling. I got nothing. But i DID get a flip saying it was an anti target. You know what? If I'm still recruitable, then have at me, new team. I volunteer for the second day in a row!
So you are filthy town.
You think filthy is recruitable, so you spend day 1 laying crumbs to be recruited.
You see a flip that helps you discover your modifier may help town against harmful powers.
Your actions don't make sense as town.
??
I see a flip making the modifier quite-likely irrelevant for the rest of the game, according to all the data I've got.
But hey, if you want to waste time pushing me, ok. Vote me out and then do something useful tomorrow. At least the slow probably timeline we also get from the flip indicates we might have time for pointless mislynches.
But make your arguments on real information, not hand wringing about scary potential roles that might hurt *someone else* when there's still 20 players to aim that theoretical role at. Well 19. I'm not begging for anyone with additional filthy/gaunt modifiers to out themselves, and we know there are some [bastard elements allowance here] because i am not also gaunt, just filthy.
Now get over my role-modifier claim.
Also, I happen to be the best one to make this claim, because I already used the word "filthy" on day one, not knowing if it might get reactions, so it's doubtful I would ever have been targeted by Fanto, and anyway I had no way of knowing whether I was attracting the modifier-relevant attention or anti-attracting it, and also no way of knowing what fanto had in his pocket prior to his death.
Meh, ok.
Vote: Weemadarthur
The only data you have is your role and that your modifier benefits town.
Outing yourself to end speculation doesn't make sense, since you don't know the other roles at play.
Vote: Weemadarthur
The only data you have is your role and that your modifier benefits town.
Outing yourself to end speculation doesn't make sense, since you don't know the other roles at play.
And if people assume that there is a second neutral relevant to these modifiers, players should think hard about whether to out themselves regarding it. We don't need a third data point to convince town the modifiers exist, since a role flip is pretty dang good confirmation of it.