Curious, what did you expect me to post with only five hours left in day 1 and me stating I wasn't keeping up with the thread?
What was iffy about me yesterday?
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House of Horrors Mafia |OT| Are You Afraid of the Dark?
- Thread starter Natiko
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Being vacant.
Would have been more damning if turmoil flipped scum and had no backup.
I did not expect much and i got it, so i'm going to evaluate you today and not with yesterday's geno reads. Such as they were.
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I wasn't saying I expected you to post something, I was just asking if you did.
EzekelRAGE
That initial post was in a response to you thinking the current topic of the thread was fluff. I asked you about what your thoughts were because I hadn't seen them yet and you seemed to want to change topics.
That initial post was in a response to you thinking the current topic of the thread was fluff. I asked you about what your thoughts were because I hadn't seen them yet and you seemed to want to change topics.
We murdered an innocent townie. Our bishop was saying a prayer for his lost soul. Fanto busted in and ate his ass. Then scum busted in while he was having the hunger naps and murdered him in his sleep. We think.
Sorian and Rover got into an argument that I haven't been paying attention to. Wee needs a bath because he's filthy, and Zeke is not happy that he claimed that. I think that's it?
To consider all possibilities, scum could've pushed Turmoil because they needed to ensure a townie got murdered, and they didn't think Vere was going to work out. So they focused on an low post player who could easily be pushed over. Vere was actually around to defend himself. Safe play to go after someone like Turmoil just to ensure day 1 goes off without a hitch. But...wild speculation.
Wow, it's almost like if you cherrypick to try and force an argument, you miss important context, maybe look at my other posts for why I would have voted Kalor:
He came in very agreeable to everyone, I even quoted him at one point and said that I agree with his analysis of the few posts preceding him at that time but then he did....nothing. It was certainly better than the turmoil vote which just ran away on itself. As for the rest of your post Rover, junk. I had no way of changing anyones minds on that vote, the mixture of apathy, scum knowing none of them were in danger, and "it's day 1 so this is as good a vote as any" means no one was moving. I know you are incapable of reading a room but try it for once.
I never said "must have been his reads" I said it could have been. And again, his actual reads and the motivation do not matter, what scum interpreted is what matters. It has everything to do with what mafia though.
I just grabbed this one. I'm not trying to fish but I don't know how to phrase this exactly. Is filthy just an added modifier or is it actually doing something? Like does your role PM also just say "hey, you're dirty too, sucks?"
So 1) But Zeke why are you just talking about technical stuff, it just sounds like busywork blah blah blah 2) it's very likely of filthy is just a moodier then it's purpose died with Fanto. It only needs one person to use it and I doubt mafia and neutral were playing with the same role. We could do the whole balance argument and point out that scum probably had to have one filthybor gaunt on their team to even out the SK's power.
You really want to push the red herring thing a lot don't you? I don't think you actually understand what a bastard game is. And it can't be a red herring, we clearly see the role that interacted with it.
Also since no one else did the thing, I'll do the thing, wee is a she.
I specifically made note of that and somehow fucked it up anyway. Sorry new best friend, Wee.
He came in very agreeable to everyone, I even quoted him at one point and said that I agree with his analysis of the few posts preceding him at that time but then he did....nothing. It was certainly better than the turmoil vote which just ran away on itself. As for the rest of your post Rover, junk. I had no way of changing anyones minds on that vote, the mixture of apathy, scum knowing none of them were in danger, and "it's day 1 so this is as good a vote as any" means no one was moving. I know you are incapable of reading a room but try it for once.[/quote]
Let's not make this complicated.
Before you placed your vote on Kalor (that's post #564), Kalor had all of seven posts since the game started. We can easily go back and read them. None of them indicated that Kalor was ganging up on anyone.
If you wanted to say "I'm voting for Kalor because he's just coasting, what a scumlord", you would have said that.
Instead, you said "Going to call bullshit on the gang up." What gang-up?
In fact, Kalor has a bunch of D1 posts arguing against the grain. I would not characterize his play as 'agreeable' OR 'part of a gang-up'.
I cannot fathom how you carry through the entire day thinking your low-effort Kalor vote was worth keeping. I would really love for you to explain why, but you can't.
What's more likely is that you couldn't move the vote. There were too many opportunities for you to change it, but you didn't.
Now we can speculate on why Sorian couldn't move his vote.
Maybe this spooky bastard game gave him a role where he can't change his vote. Very spooky, but it would mean he's bullshitting us with the roleclaim he made- unless that was the out he was trying to leave for himself with his vagueries.
The other possibility is that he wanted to bus a teammate early, maybe prod him with a warning vote to stop being so "agreeable", and then decided it was better to not move that vote, since it was gonna be pretty visible later in the game.
He certainly didn't try too hard to stop Town from lynching Town, so that would explain the lethargy around trying to stop a lynch he claims he didn't want.
Maybe this spooky bastard game gave him a role where he can't change his vote. Very spooky, but it would mean he's bullshitting us with the roleclaim he made- unless that was the out he was trying to leave for himself with his vagueries.
The other possibility is that he wanted to bus a teammate early, maybe prod him with a warning vote to stop being so "agreeable", and then decided it was better to not move that vote, since it was gonna be pretty visible later in the game.
He certainly didn't try too hard to stop Town from lynching Town, so that would explain the lethargy around trying to stop a lynch he claims he didn't want.
I'm not going to quote you since quote tags seem too difficult for you. The gang up was on turmoil, I did not like that vote so I voted my scum read to see if I could tempt people to something different. This is not hard to comprehend, I never accused Kalor of ganging up on anyone. As for the second point, why couldn't I move the vote? Was I too scared of voting out my scummate turmoil or my other scumate Verelios?
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Oh nope, that doesn't make sense either.
As for your second guess.
VOTE: Rover
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Oh nope, that doesn't make sense either.
As for your second guess.
VOTE: Rover
Thank you for your cooperation. You've just eliminated the more outlandish option. So what's more likely is that you were bussing a teammate.
BTW, "doofus" is still a pretty inflammatory personal attack and I am getting pretty tired of this. You were already warned.
BTW, "doofus" is still a pretty inflammatory personal attack and I am getting pretty tired of this. You were already warned.
I'm getting tired of your tunnel, looks like no one gets what they want.
Also, I'll really make your head spin, I don't really want to vote Kalor anymore today. So now I'm protecting the teammate too. Go yell it out from the rooftops. Peace.
Good morning. Doing a quick catch up read. 2 dead but one was neutral so I guess that's not as bad as it initially seemed?
Neutral kind of makes sense though considering that a couple of people commented that Fanto was playing differently than usual.
My initial gut reaction to gaunt and filthy was oh dear god what's lurking in the place but wee seems pretty chuffed with being a filthy bugger.
Bit curious as to what good claiming filthy does. Like it's on Fanto's card, it's not like we need that confirmed. Wee, why now???
Neutral kind of makes sense though considering that a couple of people commented that Fanto was playing differently than usual.
My initial gut reaction to gaunt and filthy was oh dear god what's lurking in the place but wee seems pretty chuffed with being a filthy bugger.
Bit curious as to what good claiming filthy does. Like it's on Fanto's card, it's not like we need that confirmed. Wee, why now???
Can we do anything with this wild speculation?
Who do you think pushed this agenda in particular?
What does that world look like then?
The turmoil push is still the one I want to look closest at. The vere one is worth a glance but I still think some of the early votes as it was gaining traction are a little suspect.
It was Day 1 and Turmoil was an easy, safe choice for both town and scum. I don't know if much more can be gleaned from that.
It's just common sense, and I'm not even the first to point that out. The fact that you jumped on it makes you look somewhat suspect to me.
You got us. He was just bussing me.
This is random speculation that probably won't matter but maybe the bishop would have been able to clean/purify any filthy players. Sort of ties into the name.
Why Aeleus in particular?
Could you give us a bit of reasoning on those?
This looks bad. So first you know Sorian means a gangup on turmoil, but 2 pages later you're asking what gangup and why was Kalor ganging up.
I seriously doubt there's another SK. The possibility of having 2-3 townies die each night on the regular is completely overkill.
Their sudden drop in scumhunting after a good start is just weird to me. They're also on the turmoil vote although thats not necessarily alignment indicative
Z) You seem to want to keep this argument about fantos reads going, I don't. Maybe mafia killed vere for his reads and fanto just happened to target vere as well.
You can have a field day trying to guess what the actions last night,(which is what my problem was, not fantos reads) I'm going to try and scum hunt.
1. You are smart enough to see my arguments against weems and you/chuggs/oli going on about how many kills a dead sk could get in aren't the same.
One of those is an actual attempt to scum hunt. The other is busywork.
And apologies weems.
I can see this. Chuggs and Sparky's votes look real bad in hindsight. They came immediately after mine. Sparky doesn't even bother to justify it. If there was indeed a scum bandwagon on turmoil, it's likely there or later when it seemed more than certain he was going down.
I also found this weird though:
An Edge vote with nothing to back it up, right when turmoil was being hard pressed.
But you were looking at him after all. So why the Edge vote?
Yes, maybe there is a third killer is the likely conclusion. You say you want to scum hunt but you look like you just want to fudge up the night and say "hey, don't look here"
I still fail to see where being tunneled upon allows you to name call.
I gave examples of posts I saw as busywork in regards to me not liking the discussion. All those posts in 1124.
Have fun with your narrative of I'm trying to handwave the kills away for some sinister reason. I won't go back and forth with you about it. It's just noise.
He says as he continues to argue the point.
Why did you quote my second post on there by the way? The one about me cooling on Kalor? That doesn't seem to have to do with your point?
Morning folks. Need to get some breakfast, but my first read of the day doesn't seem like I missed too much. RIP Vere.
The "gang-up" being about turmoil was always clear; the latter questions were rhetorical. Kalor was not part of the gang-up and that vote is a plain drive-by.
The question is why that drive-by vote was what he stuck with all day without much of a real argument towards it, nor a solid defense or talk-down of the heat building on turmoil.
If someone wants to "call bullshit on the gang-up", wouldn't it make sense to actually make arguments in that direction? A drive-by vote on someone who wasn't involved is not that.
1. That was my bookend on the conversation. Like I said have fun.
2. You seemed to feel some type away in your response to kark in that one to.
*shrug*
Yeah, im going to feel a certain way for the whole game probably, we can talk about it when the games done.
At this point, nothing except file it away as a potential piece of puzzle when we get further along with more information and flips.
My Edge vote was 100% for fun to cause a 3-way tie. I knew I'd change it at some point. But then someone swooped in pretty quick after and broke the tie.
It's a modifier before the role name.
lol?
Why not now?
People - well, sorian if he counts as people ;) - love you - were starting to make idiotic speculations on what the modifiers were. I object to idiocy on principle, so I did my best to squash it. Also note: sorian making idiotic conclusions is one of his scumtells. Thinking the role card we see there could be a vague reference to scum rather than a modifier looks pretty idiotic to me, and I don't know anything about game design.
Zeke, gotham - why y'all so interested in policing my claim? It's my role to manage. I didn't see you down on full role claims on day one, but y'all are desperate to think poorly of me for claiming a modifier after it stopped being useful, at least in part. Whatcha afraid of? That I put myself in front of you getting shot at night? The 'filthy' modifier would have kept me safe so most likely if there's another role relating to these things, I'd be unsafe from the next one. Yet I considered that and still claimed the modifier.
It also explains some of my behavior on day one, although if you want to kill me for thinking being a filthy town might mean i was recruitable, and daring to play to that, go for it. You'll see exactly what I've told you and then have nothing to discuss.
Can we please get onto the people who weren't bothering to participate in day one? Talk about whether to murder alleged lovers?
I thought of this as well. Not that it matters much, unless it also indicates a chef who fattens up the gaunt people.
I mean, I think assuming filthy means recruitable sounds just as "idiotic" as assuming filthy/gaunt is the name of the scum faction. It was a stretch only because it would have meant that Fanto was a full scum aligned neutral which would have meant the game would have needed another counter balance but that's all.