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House of Horrors Mafia |OT| Are You Afraid of the Dark?
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Also I don't care for scum/town reading someone due to meta. If you think I am scummy so far vote me or make a case.
Do it based on this game, not outside issues.
Do it based on this game, not outside issues.
Even if you agree with someones assessment, you should provide some of your own flavor to it because otherwise it makes it easy for someone to just simply follow other people and not provide their own thoughts. Faddys reasoning that you agreed with doesn't really matter in this case so I didn't look it up. Less laziness and more that it's irrelevant to my point.
As for meta, playing differently is rarely an actual indication of someone being a different alignment, and I'd hardly call it an obvious tell. Ideally everything you need to suspect someone should already be in the game you're playing.
Don't confuse the cause with effect.
I just distanced myself cause I got annoyed at the accusation of doing busywork. I was gonna write an angst post and ruin my day, and decided against it.
To paraphrase my thoughts in a more civil manner, you may think that's busywork, but I'd rather understand what happened at night. It's true that scum might just have rolled a die to pick their victim. It's true that just one night isn't much to go by. But still, more info at our disposal for the future.
I agree that it's not what the conversation should be about for more than the very start of the day, and in fact I stopped it right there.
My two cents: I don't think busywork is a bad thing. Hell, as long as people are posting, it's a good thing. Every post has the potential to be useful in some way, shape, or form. When people call out busywork, what they mean to say is, "stop talking about things I don't find useful." Well...too bad. We all play the game differently. If scum are able to hide easier because of "busywork" posts, then shame on the town for not being diligent and inquisitive enough. If someone has a book for us on how to always win as town, I'll buy a copy right now. Until then, do your thing.
I hope this post was busy enough for folks.
I couldn't disagree more that playing differently is a rare indication. Yeah you should be able to solve it though in the game itself though, as you can see I've not spent all game looking at people who play differently put my vote down and call it a day
Have kind of a busy weekend so I won't be posting much. Going to be dropping a vote now. Might come back and change it later.
Vote: Kalor
I think Sorian was onto something. He had a vote for me yesterday. Today there's actually rumblings of killing me and it just struck me as weird that he would just kind of drop that without really saying anything about it. I'm thinking he dropped a vote on me yesterday to distance himself from the Turmoil mislynch.
Vote: Kalor
I think Sorian was onto something. He had a vote for me yesterday. Today there's actually rumblings of killing me and it just struck me as weird that he would just kind of drop that without really saying anything about it. I'm thinking he dropped a vote on me yesterday to distance himself from the Turmoil mislynch.
When I was trying to decide who to vote for today, I did consider you but yesterday was based on a gut feeling with no real evidence and nothing today has made me feel stronger so I put my vote elsewhere.
Chugg does this stream of consciousness thing where it seems town because he would probably bounce his ideas in the scum thread instead. But he's likely aware of this and chooses to double down on this quirk so it's a null read for me.
Understanding what happened at night....ok?
But the posts I called you had nothing to do with you even talking about why so and so was killed.
It was you doing a deep dive on fanto's role that is just a sk.
Seems like your meatiest posts today hav to do with speculation on fanto's killing.
Aeleus Feeling any better? You mentioned you were getting sick yesterday.
absolutbro Curious your thoughts at the time? Mentioned you were getting some nibbles on food, asked about Chuggernaut as a lynch option, but no more.
absolutbro Curious your thoughts at the time? Mentioned you were getting some nibbles on food, asked about Chuggernaut as a lynch option, but no more.
I'd like you to know that my phone autocorrects your username to "Daddy"
It's an "unusual game with bastard elements". I was curious as to what possible roles could have been dealt out, and the number of scum players around.
I get it that you don't care or think it's not useful at this point, no need to remark it further.
Ok, so Fanto's day 1 was about what I remembered. Faddy cherrypicked one of the only important posts Fanto made day 1 but I wanted to actually read him myself rather than just go off that summary. He played careful, mostly hedging for obvious reasons, but Kopite is the clear "strong" read. An amateur scum team kills here to see if Kopite drops off radars because I think Fanto is the only one who was carrying that torch. I'm going to throw another hat in though because Fanto kept mentioning this person as well and I could see Edge requesting this kill in lieu of no other good options. Plus Edge has done fuck all all game at this point and for some reason, no one has really cared. So let's see where this goes.
VOTE: TheWorthyEdge
VOTE: TheWorthyEdge
Mine has done this too, so many deleted posts in this community calling him Daddy I'm sure.
Sorry I haven't been around in a while, but should be more active from now on.
I had a quick look through EOD D1 and today and have put together a little reads list to show my current thoughts, be warned I'm feeling a bit overwhelmed this game and am not particularly happy with my current reads.
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People I need to reread: Kalor, absolutebro and TheWorthyEdge
I feel like verelios's role might explain what bastard elements mean, having some kind of role but not knowing its implications.
Feeling a lot better, thanks
I had a quick look through EOD D1 and today and have put together a little reads list to show my current thoughts, be warned I'm feeling a bit overwhelmed this game and am not particularly happy with my current reads.
Town:
Sorian: I believe the claim and like the majority of their posts and I'm getting really good vibes from him, looking forward to being burned by them <3
Brazil: Hasn't participated much day phase but I liked (and upon a reread like) what he has posted up till now, weakest town read because I was fooled by him when reading KH so I respect his ability to play me like a fiddle.
Olinad: Getting a lot of good vibes, feel like they're putting in the work and trying to help town solve the game. Will be very impressed if they're newbie scum.
Lean town:
Comrade Doggo Sparky: I can't read meme players but believe the claim, not willing to actually town read him though, upon a reread I'm surprised that most of his posts, while being nonsense, appear to be nonsense relating to the game, rather than fluff
Rover: In reality is a null read, but boosted up by association with Sparky
Lone_Prodigy: Reminds me of L_P in maple street so far, I admit to still feeling comradery from our chain mislunch though so that might fuel my reads.
Faddy: I've read a couple games with scum faddy in them and his posts don't remind me of that style. While his read of Verelios might have been off I feel like it shows that he's putting a decent amount of effort into trying to solve the game.
TheChuggernaut: Has a lot of fluff posts but when he makes an actual post it seems genuine, though I admit that's gut. I feel Brazil v Chuggernaut was town v town.
Null:
EzekelRAGE: Null due to replacement, I don't like his posts but that's a town tell if anything
absolutbro: Null, nothing they posted has stuck in my mind
TheWorthyEdge: Null, nothing they posted has stuck in my mind
weemadarthur: Has admitted to playing anti-town on day 1, her current efforts aren't giving me the good vibes I got from her in maple street being mostly mechanic focused and a weak vote on Kopite
Girlofgotham: Reminds me of Mansion Gotham, but I've no idea what her scum play would be like. Null overall
Kalor: I've tried to give a proper read on him but I'm just not able to, really need to reread his content
Lean scum:
Ty4on: General lack on content. Only posts containing game solving is a weak defence of Turmoil, but they didn't actually attempt to stop the bus on him in any way. Looking closely at their efforts today
saenima: Asking lots of questions but not giving any answers themselves, general worries about their posts this game, would appreciate if someone more influential than me had a look through their posts to see if I'm on to something
Kopite: Reminding me of scum-Kopite last game, dismissing scumreads against them while ignoring attached logic, not partaking in the game much. I admit I'm hoping to manage to go 2 for 2 on getting scum them killed though
Vincent Alexander: Gutfeels, something feels off compared to their previous games, they mentioned that they were feeling more laid back this game compared to previous, but fantomas also made a reasonable excuse and it turned out he hungered for my flesh
Scum:
No one! Hopes that changes soon though :'(
Sorian: I believe the claim and like the majority of their posts and I'm getting really good vibes from him, looking forward to being burned by them <3
Brazil: Hasn't participated much day phase but I liked (and upon a reread like) what he has posted up till now, weakest town read because I was fooled by him when reading KH so I respect his ability to play me like a fiddle.
Olinad: Getting a lot of good vibes, feel like they're putting in the work and trying to help town solve the game. Will be very impressed if they're newbie scum.
Lean town:
Comrade Doggo Sparky: I can't read meme players but believe the claim, not willing to actually town read him though, upon a reread I'm surprised that most of his posts, while being nonsense, appear to be nonsense relating to the game, rather than fluff
Rover: In reality is a null read, but boosted up by association with Sparky
Lone_Prodigy: Reminds me of L_P in maple street so far, I admit to still feeling comradery from our chain mislunch though so that might fuel my reads.
Faddy: I've read a couple games with scum faddy in them and his posts don't remind me of that style. While his read of Verelios might have been off I feel like it shows that he's putting a decent amount of effort into trying to solve the game.
TheChuggernaut: Has a lot of fluff posts but when he makes an actual post it seems genuine, though I admit that's gut. I feel Brazil v Chuggernaut was town v town.
Null:
EzekelRAGE: Null due to replacement, I don't like his posts but that's a town tell if anything
absolutbro: Null, nothing they posted has stuck in my mind
TheWorthyEdge: Null, nothing they posted has stuck in my mind
weemadarthur: Has admitted to playing anti-town on day 1, her current efforts aren't giving me the good vibes I got from her in maple street being mostly mechanic focused and a weak vote on Kopite
Girlofgotham: Reminds me of Mansion Gotham, but I've no idea what her scum play would be like. Null overall
Kalor: I've tried to give a proper read on him but I'm just not able to, really need to reread his content
Lean scum:
Ty4on: General lack on content. Only posts containing game solving is a weak defence of Turmoil, but they didn't actually attempt to stop the bus on him in any way. Looking closely at their efforts today
saenima: Asking lots of questions but not giving any answers themselves, general worries about their posts this game, would appreciate if someone more influential than me had a look through their posts to see if I'm on to something
Kopite: Reminding me of scum-Kopite last game, dismissing scumreads against them while ignoring attached logic, not partaking in the game much. I admit I'm hoping to manage to go 2 for 2 on getting scum them killed though
Vincent Alexander: Gutfeels, something feels off compared to their previous games, they mentioned that they were feeling more laid back this game compared to previous, but fantomas also made a reasonable excuse and it turned out he hungered for my flesh
Scum:
No one! Hopes that changes soon though :'(
People I need to reread: Kalor, absolutebro and TheWorthyEdge
I feel like verelios's role might explain what bastard elements mean, having some kind of role but not knowing its implications.
Feeling a lot better, thanks
Thoughts on anything else other than fanto's win condition etc?
Lol I was going to say that I actually like all of Aeleus' reads list, the Brazil read included. I will say to expand on your question from earlier. I forgot Brazil was the one who had the early fight with Chuggs, that interaction was a net town read for the both of them to me.
If you're talking about the fiddle part, I apologise for the bad attempt at humour
If you're talking about the gut feel part, I'm sorry but it's true?
Do you have Fanto's read on Edge? I keep looking, but not finding.
Ok, wanted to make sure, mildly debated if Zeke was potentially skirting being onto something but he's not. Continue.
It's these two (he also questions you on your Edge vote but I don't think you really responded so Fanto never got to the point I think he might have made)
It's not a lot but in comparison to the rest of Fanto's reads, it's probably the only good lead aside from Kopite and I'm also envisioning having been scum with EDge before and thinking about what he focused on. Also to be clear to people like Zeke, I think Kopite is scummy and Edge has been null bordering on purposeful independent of bring it up in relation to Fanto's death.
From what I remember of KH, Brazil was scum and his opening gambit was to get into a fight with Zeke. I think he has done the same thing here with Chuggs.
I have some "gut feeling reads" that I'll be trying to confirm by reading some old stuff as soon as I have some more time.
Town(ish) reads:
Lone_Prodigy
Sorian
Neutral leaning town reads:
Vincent Alexander
Zeke
Brazil
Girlofgotham
AbsolutBro
Neutral leaning scum reads:
TheChuggernaut
Faddy
Still very concerned about Sparky, but everyone says his posts are in character so I don't really know.
Need to read more about Kopite, wee, Kalor, sae, Ty. Whoever is left is kinda neutral.
What's the general consensus on the lovers claim? Wait until tomorrow?
I've been lurking and reading while I work, but most of my thoughts are mechanical and won't go far:
1. The Cannibal couldn't eat Filthy or Gaunt roles. There has to be something that interacts with Filthy differently than Gaunt, else why have two different names for the same thing. Filthy and Gaunt could be tied to individual teams (Filthy for town and Gaunt for scum or vice versa) but that seems flimsy. Possibly hints at another role.
2. There's not much to speculate on the night kill for. Verelios was #2 on a lot of suspect lists, Fanto tends to die early. Part of me wonders if Fanto was going to set up a town claim or something, but in the end it doesn't matter now. Part of me wonders why Fanto over a potential double kill on the lovers, but the easy answer is "avoiding a doctor/watcher". Still, if I'm scum I think I take the chance.
3. Votes on Turmoil. We know he was town now, but it's not like he did much to defend himself or direct attention elsewhere. I think it's more weird that there was no real "second train" at all. No one else got more than three votes at any one time. There were a few late pile on votes that seem most likely to be scum pile-ons.
4. Vote today, still hard to say. Feeling a little bit better about Faddy, slightly worse about Gotham.
1. The Cannibal couldn't eat Filthy or Gaunt roles. There has to be something that interacts with Filthy differently than Gaunt, else why have two different names for the same thing. Filthy and Gaunt could be tied to individual teams (Filthy for town and Gaunt for scum or vice versa) but that seems flimsy. Possibly hints at another role.
2. There's not much to speculate on the night kill for. Verelios was #2 on a lot of suspect lists, Fanto tends to die early. Part of me wonders if Fanto was going to set up a town claim or something, but in the end it doesn't matter now. Part of me wonders why Fanto over a potential double kill on the lovers, but the easy answer is "avoiding a doctor/watcher". Still, if I'm scum I think I take the chance.
3. Votes on Turmoil. We know he was town now, but it's not like he did much to defend himself or direct attention elsewhere. I think it's more weird that there was no real "second train" at all. No one else got more than three votes at any one time. There were a few late pile on votes that seem most likely to be scum pile-ons.
4. Vote today, still hard to say. Feeling a little bit better about Faddy, slightly worse about Gotham.
You didn't answer my question though. Who do you think was pushing that agenda?
And (I know I'm jumping in on someone else's questions here) if you voted to cause a tie, did you at least learn anything from who broke the tie?
Struggling to suss out some of your reasoning here. Your responses to some questions today seem to be kind of vague.
Can you back up your scum reads? Even if it's not with quotes just now, could we have some reasons?
Why worse about Gotham? She hasn't done much today.
I guess she might be scummy for having too much info on Vere and Turmoil being town. But i found that question quite genuine. And I found Brazil jumping on me for answering it quite scummy.
I'm not going to reread KH to back this up, but I'd argue that the Zeke fight over no-lynching was a lot different then Brazil v Chuggernaut, especially given that I see that this post is what really started the discussion.
So I don't believe Brazil had intended in getting into a tunnel situation, especially given these attempts to finish it.
Sorry, wasn't clear. That's why I was saying it tells me nothing now because I don't think there was an agenda being pushed. It might be a piece that could be useful later, MAYBE, when more folks are dead. But my wild speculation post was just that. Wild speculation. My biggest point of the post was to keep people's eyes open that there was still possibility of a scum push on Turmoil. And I learned nothing from the tie. If I remember correctly, someone broke the tie within 1 post of my own.
Let me stress again that they're just gut feelings I still haven't confirmed with evidence. (Also neutral leaning scum reads, not pure scum reads)
The Chuggernaut - I found his Day 1 posts kinda weird, and the discussion with Brazil a bit pointless. Still have to go through today's stuff with more attention to see if it changes my mind. (I noted fact that he's not gonna be around much this weekend so his sudden disappearance won't be factored in).
Faddy - I've been wary of him since he got in, and I've noticed at least a couple instances of imprecise info in his posts. Still need to weigh in on whether he's trying to spin stuff to prove his point or they're just honest mistakes.
These instances definitely seem like the kind of stuff to share with the crowd rather than keeping to yourself.
What info is imprecise?
You can correct me if you think I am saying something wrong. I don't take notes, I just post however I feel about stuff.
(Note: I'm not referencing "he killed Verelios for us" part as that has been covered already)
Not really imprecise as much as just outright assuming Fanto killed Vere (which is not the only possibility). Lays the foundation for the following posts.
(Also don't really agree with the bolded, but that's debatable).
Fanto flipped neutral, not town.
The fight between Chuggs and Brazil was started by Chuggs. (This was pointed out by Aeleus while I was writing).
To me, those sound like twisting facts to suit what you want to say. Doesn't necessarily mark you as scum, but they rang my bell (and thus explain my gut feeling).
I'm curious as to why you're not naming names here. And why you're being even more vague (especially when I basically said "dude, you're being kinda vague").
Faddy can defend himself on something else I disagree with in this post but I'm also assuming Fanto killed Vere and at least part of my theory crafting hinges on that. The other possibilities seem too unlikely
Fanto flipped not scum, don't get hung up on it.
The fight was most definitely started by Brazil who took Chuggs comment, posted a gif then a vote with no reasoning attached. As said by Fantomas.
So yeah Brazil was the one being the aggressor here, trying to put Chugg on the back foot. Similar to what I think he did with Zeke in KH.
Don't get me wrong, given the information that we have now I also believe that's the most likely sequence of events.
The problem is that the amount of information we have now is probably not enough to determine that with certainty.
Can you use that as a basis for your reasoning? Yeah, with reserve.
The thing that sounded iffy to me was the subtle twist that made Fanto become town.
I'm confuzzled. What names? I don't have any names to name.