No necessary reason to find your own justification if you agree with someones assessment. You don't seem to remember why I even voted for Vere so calling me lazy is a bit ironic.
And since when is referring to meta mean nothing? It's one of the most obvious tells of a players alignment changing when they play differently
It seems like a couple of those players involved in that filler discussion haven't attempted much else after I killed the discussion.
My two cents: I don't think busywork is a bad thing. Hell, as long as people are posting, it's a good thing. Every post has the potential to be useful in some way, shape, or form. When people call out busywork, what they mean to say is, "stop talking about things I don't find useful." Well...too bad. We all play the game differently. If scum are able to hide easier because of "busywork" posts, then shame on the town for not being diligent and inquisitive enough. If someone has a book for us on how to always win as town, I'll buy a copy right now. Until then, do your thing.Don't confuse the cause with effect.
I just distanced myself cause I got annoyed at the accusation of doing busywork. I was gonna write an angst post and ruin my day, and decided against it.
To paraphrase my thoughts in a more civil manner, you may think that's busywork, but I'd rather understand what happened at night. It's true that scum might just have rolled a die to pick their victim. It's true that just one night isn't much to go by. But still, more info at our disposal for the future.
I agree that it's not what the conversation should be about for more than the very start of the day, and in fact I stopped it right there.
I couldn't disagree more that playing differently is a rare indication. Yeah you should be able to solve it though in the game itself though, as you can see I've not spent all game looking at people who play differently put my vote down and call it a dayAs for meta, playing differently is rarely an actual indication of someone being a different alignment, and I'd hardly call it an obvious tell. Ideally everything you need to suspect someone should already be in the game you're playing.
Have kind of a busy weekend so I won't be posting much. Going to be dropping a vote now. Might come back and change it later.
Vote: Kalor
I think Sorian was onto something. He had a vote for me yesterday. Today there's actually rumblings of killing me and it just struck me as weird that he would just kind of drop that without really saying anything about it. I'm thinking he dropped a vote on me yesterday to distance himself from the Turmoil mislynch.
Also we've probably had more posts about busywork than actual busywork, so good job Zeke.
Full disclosure that I'm sure someone will scum read for reasons but I thought it was funny and Fanto might laugh in spec chat.
I went to go iso Fanto and typed Faddy's name into my search bar :V
To paraphrase my thoughts in a more civil manner, you may think that's busywork, but I'd rather understand what happened at night. It's true that scum might just have rolled a die to pick their victim. It's true that just one night isn't much to go by. But still, more info at our disposal for the future.
Eating 3 would have meant getting to night 6 (or more in case of misses). We don't know how many scum players are around, but maybe he thought helping town made more sense (especially after we lunched town yesterday).
Yeah for a second I thought he would die if he picked the wrong person, but it's actually not stated. He probably would just waste the action (which may have happened tonight for all we know, if there's other roles that can NK).
True, it says kill, not digest.
The chances a game this big gets to day 6 are pretty high, as it means 12 kills, but the logic of trying to balance the kills still applies. It probably would've helped with claims and stuff too.
I don't think we can get much of use out of this lead now tho, at least until we get more info...
Do cannibals usually call for a specific roleset?
Seems like your meatiest posts today hav to do with speculation on fanto's killing.I agree. I wouldn't completely discount one-shots, but in general I can't see it working with more NKs, even with a low amount of scum roles.
It's an "unusual game with bastard elements". I was curious as to what possible roles could have been dealt out, and the number of scum players around.Understanding what happened at night....ok?
But the posts I called you had nothing to do with you even talking about why so and so was killed.
It was you doing a deep dive on fanto's role that is just a sk.
Seems like your meatiest posts today hav to do with speculation on fanto's killing.
I'd like you to know that my phone autocorrects your username to "Daddy"
Aeleus Feeling any better? You mentioned you were getting sick yesterday.
Thoughts on anything else other than fanto's win condition etc?It's an "unusual game with bastard elements". I was curious as to what possible roles could have been dealt out, and the number of scum players around.
I get it that you don't care or think it's not useful at this point, no need to remark it further.
Fixed.
If you're talking about the fiddle part, I apologise for the bad attempt at humour
Do you have Fanto's read on Edge? I keep looking, but not finding.Ok, so Fanto's day 1 was about what I remembered. Faddy cherrypicked one of the only important posts Fanto made day 1 but I wanted to actually read him myself rather than just go off that summary. He played careful, mostly hedging for obvious reasons, but Kopite is the clear "strong" read. An amateur scum team kills here to see if Kopite drops off radars because I think Fanto is the only one who was carrying that torch. I'm going to throw another hat in though because Fanto kept mentioning this person as well and I could see Edge requesting this kill in lieu of no other good options. Plus Edge has done fuck all all game at this point and for some reason, no one has really cared. So let's see where this goes.
VOTE: TheWorthyEdge
Do you have Fanto's read on Edge? I keep looking, but not finding.
Would Not Vote Today:
Sorian/Rover/Sparky
Faddy
Chugg
Brazil
Wee
Sorian and Rover/Sparky have their claims, which I don't think I'd want to vote out today. Leaning townish on Faddy here so far, Chugg/Brazil/Wee I would give slight town leans to as well, at least as far as D1 reads go.
Too Quiet, So Might Vote Today:
AB
VA
TheWorthyEdge
LP
AB/VA/Edge/LP are all too quiet, so I need more from them. LP, sure meme it up, but AB, VA, and Edge I would definitely want to see some more thoughts from them so I can try to see where they are coming from here. Geno explained his absence so I'm not going to get on his case for inactivity if he's not feeling well, but let's get some discussions going with these four.
Would Vote Today:
Turmoil
Kopite
Turmoil I've explained my thoughts on. For Kopite, I'm seeing very little engagement, not many posts that aren't replying to someone else, which reminds me of how he was as Scum in the last game.
As for the ones not mentioned, I've got random thoughts about everyone really, ask if you're interested, but there's nothing that's really sticking out to me too much yet. Not too many people I'm feeling an urge to vote for yet I guess.
My thoughts haven't changed too much as we approach EoD here. I still want to see the Turmoil flip the most. I think Faddy's read on Vere is good enough for D1 as well.
Outside of them, there aren't a whole lot of people I would super push for on D1. Kalor is a tough read for me, Kopite is still on my radar, Edge hasn't been too impressive. Gotham or Ty4on maybe, but pending the Turmoil flip.
Everyone else I think I'd be fine leaving alone for D1. Random bits of paranoia here and there, but nothing I'd really want to fight for on D1 over others.
If you're talking about the fiddle part, I apologise for the bad attempt at humour
If you're talking about the gut feel part, I'm sorry but it's true?
Thoughts on anything else other than fanto's win condition etc?
You didn't answer my question though. Who do you think was pushing that agenda?At this point, nothing except file it away as a potential piece of puzzle when we get further along with more information and flips.
My Edge vote was 100% for fun to cause a 3-way tie. I knew I'd change it at some point. But then someone swooped in pretty quick after and broke the tie.
Can you back up your scum reads? Even if it's not with quotes just now, could we have some reasons?I have some "gut feeling reads" that I'll be trying to confirm by reading some old stuff as soon as I have some more time.
Town(ish) reads:
Lone_Prodigy
Sorian
Neutral leaning town reads:
Vincent Alexander
Zeke
Brazil
Girlofgotham
AbsolutBro
Neutral leaning scum reads:
TheChuggernaut
Faddy
Still very concerned about Sparky, but everyone says his posts are in character so I don't really know.
Need to read more about Kopite, wee, Kalor, sae, Ty. Whoever is left is kinda neutral.
What's the general consensus on the lovers claim? Wait until tomorrow?
4. Vote today, still hard to say. Feeling a little bit better about Faddy, slightly worse about Gotham.
From what I remember of KH, Brazil was scum and his opening gambit was to get into a fight with Zeke. I think he has done the same thing here with Chuggs.
Actually the more I think about it the weirder this is
This post already feels like it's reaching so far that I'm worried Brazil might pull something, but it's even weirder that I did address the post and read it as something I didn't think was scummy.
This post is on this page and Brazil even quotes posts from this exact exchange here:
So I feel like he didn't just miss it.
Also, seems kind of weird to call me out for some weird galaxy brain WIFOM scum play and then go on to make an actual WIFOM argument here:
Yeah - noise that you've created. I think that you're getting more and more bothered by my vote with each passing hour, and you're trying to misconstrue and dismiss it by overcomplicating what is a very simple accusation.
My vote's staying for now. I suggest another route of action if you want it gone.
And the alternative route I suggested was something other than continuing to fight back against the vote you want me to think you don't care about. There are a lot of other players in here.
Sorry, wasn't clear. That's why I was saying it tells me nothing now because I don't think there was an agenda being pushed. It might be a piece that could be useful later, MAYBE, when more folks are dead. But my wild speculation post was just that. Wild speculation. My biggest point of the post was to keep people's eyes open that there was still possibility of a scum push on Turmoil. And I learned nothing from the tie. If I remember correctly, someone broke the tie within 1 post of my own.You didn't answer my question though. Who do you think was pushing that agenda?
And (I know I'm jumping in on someone else's questions here) if you voted to cause a tie, did you at least learn anything from who broke the tie?
Struggling to suss out some of your reasoning here. Your responses to some questions today seem to be kind of vague.
Let me stress again that they're just gut feelings I still haven't confirmed with evidence. (Also neutral leaning scum reads, not pure scum reads)Can you back up your scum reads? Even if it's not with quotes just now, could we have some reasons?
Let me stress again that they're just gut feelings I still haven't confirmed with evidence. (Also neutral leaning scum reads, not pure scum reads)
Faddy - I've been wary of him since he got in, and I've noticed at least a couple instances of imprecise info in his posts. Still need to weigh in on whether he's trying to spin stuff to prove his point or they're just honest mistakes.
Faddy - I've been wary of him since he got in, and I've noticed at least a couple instances of imprecise info in his posts. Still need to weigh in on whether he's trying to spin stuff to prove his point or they're just honest mistakes.
I'm surprised Fantomas died because they did go MIA at the end of day which is not usually like them. At least he killed Verelios for us.
I thought Vere was scummy and now we know how day 1 was formed, two towns. That is Fantomas trying to make a pro town kill even if they did not hit mafia.
The turmoil vote is interesting. I guess with Fanto flipping town there is most likely scum within Chuggs, Sae and Aeleus.
From what I remember of KH, Brazil was scum and his opening gambit was to get into a fight with Zeke. I think he has done the same thing here with Chuggs.
I'm curious as to why you're not naming names here. And why you're being even more vague (especially when I basically said "dude, you're being kinda vague").Sorry, wasn't clear. That's why I was saying it tells me nothing now because I don't think there was an agenda being pushed. It might be a piece that could be useful later, MAYBE, when more folks are dead. But my wild speculation post was just that. Wild speculation. My biggest point of the post was to keep people's eyes open that there was still possibility of a scum push on Turmoil. And I learned nothing from the tie. If I remember correctly, someone broke the tie within 1 post of my own.
(Note: I'm not referencing "he killed Verelios for us" part as that has been covered already)
Not really imprecise as much as just outright assuming Fanto killed Vere (which is not the only possibility). Lays the foundation for the following posts.
(Also don't really agree with the bolded, but that's debatable).
Fanto flipped neutral, not town.
The fight between Chuggs and Brazil was started by Chuggs. (This was pointed out by Aeleus while I was writing).
To me, those sound like twisting facts to suit what you want to say. Doesn't necessarily mark you as scum, but they rang my bell (and thus explain my gut feeling).
(Note: I'm not referencing "he killed Verelios for us" part as that has been covered already)
Not really imprecise as much as just outright assuming Fanto killed Vere (which is not the only possibility). Lays the foundation for the following posts.
(Also don't really agree with the bolded, but that's debatable).
Fanto flipped neutral, not town.
The fight between Chuggs and Brazil was started by Chuggs. (This was pointed out by Aeleus while I was writing).
To me, those sound like twisting facts to suit what you want to say. Doesn't necessarily mark you as scum, but they rang my bell (and thus explain my gut feeling).
So the reasoning is that you think Chugg was actually trying to fish for a role? That he was being too self conscious?
I can assume I know why you placed that vote after quoting the post, but all you did was quote it and vote, so I wouldn't say there was a reason provided.
Don't get me wrong, given the information that we have now I also believe that's the most likely sequence of events.Faddy can defend himself on something else I disagree with in this post but I'm also assuming Fanto killed Vere and at least part of my theory crafting hinges on that. The other possibilities seem too unlikely
I'm confuzzled. What names? I don't have any names to name.I'm curious as to why you're not naming names here. And why you're being even more vague (especially when I basically said "dude, you're being kinda vague").