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Quick note on the title:
I apologize if it's too blunt or tactless, to the point where anyone finds it overly simplistic or offensive. My intention was just to get the general idea across without exceeding the word limit. If you have a suggestion for a better title, please let me know.

Quoting from It's Time to Reboot the Debate Over Violent Videogames
Christopher J. Ferguson on visiting the White House:

"Old people tend to think that the youth of today are much worse than they were in their generation. So I think that Joe Biden had gotten some version of that narrative from somebody, and repeated it, and to his chagrin, I actually had a graph with me that I could hand around that showed exactly the opposite. So in that situation I actually stopped him and informed him that he was mistaken. Probably one of the most terrifying moments of my life. I happened to have this graph that beautifully demonstrated this massive decline in youth violence that's happened since 1993. I hope that was something that was insightful to him, and may have reined in the Obama administration's focus on videogames in the aftermath of the Sandy Hook shooting in 2012."

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VR porn is one of those things most gamers like to make fun of, but perhaps we shouldn't be so quick to judge. After all, we were often deemed psychopaths by older generations for not only playing, but deriving great enjoyment, from senseless, brutal slaughter, in the likes of Doom and GTA.

However during recent years studies have begun to suggest that not only is there no correlation between playing violent video games and psychopathic behavior, they may in fact even have the opposite effect, by providing a harmless outlet for some of our innate violent tendencies.

As such, with VR becoming increasingly popular, perhaps a different approach to combating rape and any other form of sexual misconduct should be more seriously considered, one based on the technological advances in realistic simulation made over the past decade.

This subject seems incredibly relevant to our forum, as it brings together areas of discussion this community is passionate about, and puts the focus on how the medium of videogames can be a force for social change and justice in the real world.

Does anyone know of a recent study that has attempted to look into this hypothesis?

I do seem to remember a study based on VR that tried a different approach: men were put in a simulation where they were followed around by NPCs who were physically larger than them, perhaps also being cat-called on occasion (my memory is hazy on that part) in order to see the world through the eyes of a woman. I remember thinking this was an important study.

Other studies have taken this kind of approach in order to try and provide a first-hand account of suffering from depression and other mental issues. Some games were even made based on this idea, I believe.

This is to say VR can be used not only as a power-fantasy, putting the player in the shoes of the aggressor, with the intention of providing an outlet for harmful behavior, but also as a tool to teach empathy, by putting the player in the shoes of the other side.

I'd love to hear your thoughts, as well as any other ideas you have for how the virtual medium can be used to combat endemic social issues by providing an outlet for harmful behavior, or by helping increase awareness of people's different perspectives and experiences in society, or anything else you believe can promote empathy and understanding in our real-world relations.

Thank you for reading!
 
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The Shape

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Damn. That's a very sensitive topic. I don't think I have the qualifications to make any arguments either way, so I better just lurk this conversation.

What I do think is your post could be made more interesting if you link some of those studies you mentioned multiple times. I'd like to take a look at that.
 

Mukrab

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Wait gamers make fun of VR porn? Why? I never tried it but it has to be the same as porn (that we all watch) but objectively better. Ngl every time i thought about getting a VR headset the first thing i think of that i want to try is porn, not games. Games will be merely the excuse i give to my gf.
 

nsilvias

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illusion made a porn game about rape back in the day and it got banned everywhere i think. it was a shitty game. it was more of a rape simulator but still
 

Real

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OP, what?! Firstly, what pretense is there that video games are a good outlet for violence?!

When I say LOCK, YOU SAY THREAD!

LOCK
 

The Albatross

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I don't know if the pretense of the thread is true, that violent games are a, like, safe outlet for violence or not. Eg, that people who play violent games are less violent. I don't think there's any data one way or another on that, despite efforts in the 90s to tie violence to videogames.

Likewise I'm not sure if there's definitive research that suggests that people who might be pursuing sexual violence don't if they have access to porn. My hunch is to think that porn enables sexual violence as much as it might mitigate it.
 

kiaaa

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Wait gamers make fun of VR porn? Why? I never tried it but it has to be the same as porn (that we all watch) but objectively better. Ngl every time i thought about getting a VR headset the first thing i think of that i want to try is porn, not games. Games will be merely the excuse i give to my gf.

it's solid, but quality and selection are still kinda weak and cutting yourself off from the world and watching porn can be an issue if you live with other people. I really only use it when the SO is at work and I can lock myself in my room.
 

collige

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I'm pretty sure most of the research from the dumb Jack Thompson days actually concluded that shooters would temporarily increase aggresive tendencies for people who already have them. Which studies are you referring to?
 

RROCKMAN

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Had to pause and take a deep breath before entering this thread

You should know op this the same justification used for very explicit VNs like euphoria

Honestly I don't buy it at all. It seems like an excuse to make that content rather than any good coming out of it.
 

4 Get!

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Wouldn't they need some sort of sensory suit or some device?

Yeah, let's go ahead and lock this thread.

Or, let's try to have a mature discussion about this like what the OP intended. What you're suggesting is the equivalent of this:
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Z-Beat

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Or, let's try to have a mature discussion about this like what the OP intended. What you're suggesting is the equivalent of this:
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You don't solve rape by giving rapists sex toys. It's not that cut and dry. That's a severe misunderstanding of the level of mental corruption you'd hajve to have to be okay with raping someone
 

Cocolina

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Our innate murdering tendencies lol

Provide links to these sources you're using as a foundation for this psychological hypothesis
 

psionotic

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There are a bunch of studies about the relationship between sexual assault and porn consumption. MOST studies suggest that the prevalence of porn does not seem to increase rates of sexual assault. But it also doesn't seem to lower the rates of same (though some have drawn a correlation between increased access of porn and decreasing rates of sexual assault in the US, though again, overall crime in the US is also dropping, so porn might not have anything to do with it at all).

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Sexual Crime in India: Is it Influenced by Pornography?

Studies on whether pornography poses a greater risk for sexually aggressive behavior have revealed conflicting results. This study aims to examine the relationship between the consumption of pornography and the subsequent increase in sexual violence, ...

www.psychologytoday.com

Evidence Mounts: More Porn, Less Sexual Assault

Those who claim that porn incites rape are mistaken.

However, a 2016 meta-analysis of studies showed an increase of sexually aggressive actions and attitudes among heavy porn consumers:

academic.oup.com

Meta-Analysis of Pornography Consumption and Actual Acts of Sexual Aggression in General Population Studies

Abstract. Whether pornography consumption is a reliable correlate of sexually aggressive behavior continues to be debated. Meta-analyses of experimental studies

...this doens't necessarily mean that assaults are *caused* by it, in the same way that violent video games probably do not *cause* violence.

TLDR: the relationship between porn and sexual assault is complicated, and while VR porn likely wouldn't increase the amount of sexual violence, there is no real evidence to say that it would lower it, either.
 

spman2099

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Rape isn't typically caused by pent up sexual tension, OP. Rape can't be solved with porn. The people who rape wouldn't be normal, stable human beings if they simply had more sex in their lives.
 

Soap

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What the hell is this. I don't play violent video games an an outlet for some kind of repressed violence, I play them because they are fun. Seriously what the fuck- this is a gross concept.
 

Zelas

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People who play shooter games aren't violent people in need of an outlet.
This is horribly crude.
I dont know how you guys make it in the world.

OP is not saying only violent people play shooters or that shooter fans have a penchant for violence. He's saying people who possibly have that tendency use shooters as an outlet. The therapeutic qualities of video games was widely discussed during the second wave of "video games are evil" in the early 2000s. A recent study:

vtnews.vt.edu

Violent video games may serve as an outlet for aggression, not a precursor, says Virginia Tech expert

According to a recent study published in Violence and Gender video games decrease the likelihood of producing hate material online and researcher Jim Hawdon says “this finding suggests that violent video games may serve as an outlet for aggression, not a precursor.”
 

chatsquared

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Imagine being a victim of sexual assault and someone tells you someone is developing a virtual reality simulator for the thing that traumatized you and that whoever hurt you would be able to get their hands on it and use it at their leisure.

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Lobster Roll

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Wanting to get off - normal.
Wanting to rape - not normal.
Wanting to murder - not normal.

The premise of the thread makes no fucking sense because wanting to get off is a normal urge whereas wanting to rape & murder is absolutely not a normal urge. So no, I don't think your idea is rooted in any semblance of reality.
 

Damien1928

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Weekend era took a deep dive.....Tough topic but all I can say is a video game has never persuaded me to steal a car or prevented me from committing a crime...
 

elyetis

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There doesn't seems to be many studies going either way for both subject, most of them seems to find no causation between videogames and violence or porn and rape. Thought I'm not well versed in the subject.

That being said there is a huge downside to VR porn
the file size, my hdd won't survive it for long.
 
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