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User Banned (1 Week): Seeking to embarrass a developer over their past career for unrelated and petty reasons
EDIT: This thread isn't made as some sort of 'omg he did hentai!' smear. It's what Singa was most famous for (and almost 100% of his work) before he worked for Falcom. It's a thread unveiling 'who' this random person who's been making all these Falcom songs is and their credentials.

Credits to Josep, one of my fellow longtime Falcom fans. Been meaning to make a thread about this for a long time, actually.

This is regarding"Mitsuo Singa," who has been producing some of Falcom's worst tracks for games like Trails of Cold Steel 4 and Ys 9 as of late.


The info is sourced from Josep.

Anyway, let's start with this:


This is Singa's soundcloud, linked on his Twitter. It's hard to find any info about "Mitsuo Singa" online, so Josep did some digging regarding track titles, and came up with a name for a youtube account with one of those songs uploaded, "mitsuo suehiro." This youtube page has been deleted, so the link isn't visible, but here:


Thus, the trail leads to:


This. It turns out this "Mitsuo Singa" is actually the artist Mitsuo Suehiro, married to Yuuri Suehiro (aka Yuuri Nakamura) who also sung the Trails of Cold Steel 3 ending song. It's also one of Singa's better songs.

In 2015 he changed his alias to Mitsuo Singa. In his CycloMusic resume, we can see a possible reason why":

"その他商用OVAのBGMや主題歌を多数提供。"

What "OVAs" did he do BGM for that would make him change his alias?


...Oh.

An example of early Singa work, with his wife singing the vocals, to the hentai OVA Kuroinu.



Okay, now that his old work and his other amateur work, seen here:
can be used as a background...

The reason for Josep investigating all this is that JDK BAND under Singa's direction has been really messy.

As an example, here is JDK BAND failing to even properly play Sunshine Coastline from Ys 8 properly:



Anyway, there is a point to all this! As of late, Falcom has been having more and more 'subpar' songs creeping into their soundtracks. Some are even downright awful. For example, "Deep Carnival" from Trails of Cold Steel 4:



And "Welcome to Chaos" from the now-out Ys IX:



Guess what? Both songs are arranged by Mitsuo Singa. In fact, almost every single song people have been like 'ehhhh' about in the new Falcom Sound Team JDK's work has all been Mitsuo Singa arrangement work. So yeah, a few of us Falcom fans have been mystified why Falcom is so intent on keeping Mitsuo Singa onboard and ruining so many tracks, when he clearly doesn't have the creativity, expertise and skill to have such a prominent arrangement position as an independent contractor Falcom absolutely insists on using these days.

In fact, in Ys IX he has more songs than ever (and that game just came out) because he has an extremely easy to recognize arrangement style and within several hours of the game being played you can hear like 6 different Singa songs come on, which has already made a few people disappointed.
 
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Akumatica

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Why mention his hentai work at all? Are you trying to use that to get fans to pressure Falcom to stop working with him because you don't like his tracks?
Or are you saying that the perceived lack of quality is because some of this "infamous" producer's earlier work was for an "infamous" hentai OVA?
 
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Why mention his hentai work at all? Are you trying to use that to get fans to pressure Falcom to stop working with him because you don't like his tracks?
Or are you saying that the perceived lack of quality is because some of this "infamous" producer's earlier work was for an "infamous" hentai OVA?
Dude literally changed his alias to dissociate from his work on hentai and that's why people had a hard time finding his previous work to try and understand if he always had messy music or just was having low points working with Falcom. It's pretty clear why hentai is being mentioned.
 
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I'm gonna be honest: outside of a few tracks, I've never liked Falcom's music. It sounds cheap as fuck and reminds me of middle school
 

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Yea I really don't see why the guy would try to hide his past doing contract work for hentai. It's not like anyone would ever use to try to hold it against him because they don't like his music.
 
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Why mention his hentai work at all? Are you trying to use that to get fans to pressure Falcom to stop working with him because you don't like his tracks?
Or are you saying that the perceived lack of quality is because some of this "infamous" producer's earlier work was for an "infamous" hentai OVA?
What WarRock essentially said. This mystery arranger that came out of nowhere which suddenly made songs people didn't really like for Falcom? Why did Falcom hire him? Has he always been this bad? Who is this guy? The answers come to light this way, through investigation.

The fact that he's really not a fit with the legendary Yukihiro Jindo and Takahiro Unisuga (nowhere near their level) ties into that.

That being said, Unisuga is also Falcom's webmaster. What a talented dude. Makes some of Falcom's best songs AND runs their website.

I mean look at this shit under Singa:



That's JDK BAND completely fuckin' failing to play one of Falcom's most revered songs, To Make The End of Battle, live under Singa's direction.

You know, this song:

 

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I don't understand this thread, but I'll take this to mean that Shade is going to be the composer for the next Ys game.
 

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That really sucks, the Falcom games are known for their rockin' soundtracks, I'd hate to see their music selection continue to deteriorate because of this guy. No wonder I can't really remember any tracks from Ys 8...
 

obsoke

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That's a bummer. I've been enjoying the OSTs of the Sky & Cold Steel games - that track in the OP from CS4 is... bad.
 

vladisaac

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I won't deny that his rock-oriented tracks are not good (which is a shame since it's what JDK was famous for), but to give the guy some credits, he actually did some interesting tracks like these ones:

The entire unit should actually be responsible for the overall quality decrease of the soundtrack since they, I assume, should have some sort of validation process and quality control.

As an example, here is JDK BAND failing to even properly play Sunshine Coastline from Ys 8 properly:

Hmm, I fail to see the connection between the JDK Band Live and Singa's involvement with Falcom's soundtrack.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought JDK Band was its own entity and didn't have any input in the actual music composition.
 
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I won't deny that his rock-oriented tracks are not good (which is a shame since it's what JDK was famous for), but to give the guy some credits, he actually did some interesting tracks like these ones:

The entire unit should actually be responsible for the overall quality decrease of the soundtrack since they, I assume, should have some sort of validation process and quality control.

Hmm, I fail to see the connection between the JDK Band Live and Singa's involvement with Falcom's soundtrack.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought JDK Band was its own entity and didn't have any input in the actual music composition.




Here is Singa:

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And his wife is now JDK BAND's main singer, so it's not just an arrangement connection. He goes on tour with them and everything.

As a bonus, the most pathetic "GO FIGHT!" version I've ever seen:



This is what a live performance of Go Fight used to sound like with the early JDK BAND:

 

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I hope this doesn't get the guy fired, his music's still better than Sugiyama's.
 

Thac0

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This is a weird thread. What does essentially doxxing a music producer have to do with anything? So you don't like his compositions, ok. Are you going to try to get him fired or something?
 

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Fans don't like his work, they dig into his past, find something he's not proud of and now you label him as "Infamous" when the tracks you've provided as examples sound fine to me.

Many artists in Japan have done hentai work in the past (or even concurrently) and are now working with mainstream companies.

Disliking the output of a composer, writer, character designer, voice actor or whatever is okay. Digging up inconsequential dirt from their past to expose them in an attempt to bolster your criticism's is weird (you used that fact in the thread's title).

It's what he did primarily before working for Falcom. I can't really bring up much of his other work because it's so low profile. There is indeed nothing wrong with making music for hentai.
The tone of your OP doesn't read like that at all to me.

"This infamous composer, none of us like, did work for hentai (gasp!) anime under a pseudonym, he is tainting the legacy of the revered Falcom song team!"

But maybe I'm off base as I'm feverish so I'll leave it.
 
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Fans don't like his work, they dig into his past, find something he's not proud of and now you label him as "Infamous" when the tracks you've provided as examples sound fine to me.

Many artists in Japan have done hentai work in the past (or even concurrently) and are now working with mainstream companies.

Disliking the output of a composer, writer, character designer, voice actor or whatever is okay. Digging up inconsequential dirt from their past to expose them in an attempt to bolster your criticism's is weird (you used that fact in the thread's title).


The tone of your OP doesn't read like that at all to me.

"This infamous composer, none of us like, did work for hentai (gasp!) anime under a pseudonym, he is tainting the legacy of the revered Falcom song team!"

But maybe I'm off base as I'm feverish so I'll leave it.

It's all right, I understand. There's nothing wrong with doing hentai as a gig before you do something else. Raita actually still makes porn at the same time as he does art for Sega for Valkyria Chronicles and that's fine too.

It's an expose with links to songs showing that in the many years since he started doing music (hentai music) he has barely improved at all and it's a complete mystery to many of us why Falcom is keeping him on board and working with JDK BAND for live performances and doing arrangements for ingame songs. It's not like he started out amazing and then has suddenly turned to shit or something.
 

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That Tokyo Xanadu song is pretty dope honestly but then I've always kinda been into that specific sort of proggy kind of sound. The stuff on the soundcloud is kind of meh but I also don't know like any of the context surrounding that set of music at all.

I'm mostly confused by this thread to be honest
 

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Yeah, starting the thread title with bringing up Singa's past with hentai music is bit odd, especially if you're just more about criticizing his work on Falcom's stuff. And some of his stuff is ok to me, music is funny that way. Also, those live examples don't sound bad to my ears, just bit different arrangements from the normal ones we've learn to hear from Falcom.
 

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I mean I at least thought a good third of the appeal of Ys games came from the exceptionally cheesy metal music that happened in those games

EDIT: And at least another third was about finding out whether or not Adol would finally make an honest man out of Dogi
 

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I don't like the person's tracks at all, but this seems to me as a very mean spirited thread.
 

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Keeping my expectations low for CS IV, including its soundtrack relative to the other games, but I was expecting worse with the example posted (not exceptional, but still not "downright awful").
I'm gonna be honest: outside of a few tracks, I've never liked Falcom's music. It sounds cheap as fuck and reminds me of middle school
Ignoring the self-explanatory "cheap as fuck" scorching hot take, what does this even mean?
 

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So you don't like his music. Congratulations. You didn't need to go deep undercover just to say "this dude ain't shit".

It's all a bunch of recycled melodies anyway. Falcom isn't all that.
 

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I mean look at this shit under Singa:


That's JDK BAND completely fuckin' failing to play one of Falcom's most revered songs, To Make The End of Battle, live under Singa's direction.

I mean a lot of studio bands are awful in live settings and vice-versa. Is there a good recording of the old JDK band performing this?

They gotta have a melody though.

I dunno maybe it's just that I love phrygian dominant but I don't think the Ys 9 example was posted was lacking in melody?
 

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I dunno maybe it's just that I love phrygian dominant but I don't think the Ys 9 example was posted was lacking in melody?
The riffs/synths lack harmony and everything feels jumbled, they are mostly whatever/passable.
But not sure why hentai gig has anything to do here, plenty people started in doujin circles or even worse.
 

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I find this act of doxxing to be extremely disturbing and would not be shocked if it lead to an act of violence in the future from rabid fans.
 

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Yeah this is a strange exposé. Not that I play any of these games but I'm not sure what exactly this is supposed to prove outside of "he did music for hentai". That some of the music isn't up to standard? But didn't people already know that the person responsible wasn't providing the same expected bar of quality? I really don't get the correlation, even with the OP edit this still looks all sorts of awkward.
 

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Yeah this thread wasn't about shaming the guy about his past or whatever, people are getting the wrong signals I guess.
The question the thread tries to bring up is "What did Falcom see into this guy to keep contracting him for music?". I mean his hentai BGM past is unimpressive at best, nothing stands out about him. So seeing him as a recurring composer and arranger on Falcom games is odd.
 
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I find this act of doxxing to be extremely disturbing and would not be shocked if it lead to an act of violence in the future from rabid fans.
Oh come on. Pictures from Falcom's official twitter and finding out what music a musician did before they worked for Falcom by looking at their resume is not doxxing.

Falcom does not provide credit for any musician they work with, so Singa's pseudonym tells us nothing about the guy they hired and what he does.

EDIT: I also changed the wording of the OP a little.
 

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I find this act of doxxing to be extremely disturbing and would not be shocked if it lead to an act of violence in the future from rabid fans.
Ok while I agree that doxxing is bad, I find it exceptionally annoying that falcom refuses to say who composed what songs to the point where they retroactively removed names associated with songs. Fan feedback about composer x being bad wouldn't really be an issue if they weren't so adamant about taking credit. Like, it's not really doxxing in this case, it's moreso falcom doing the capcom 80s thing where they avoided giving names for reasons (even if I know said reasons re: capcom or w/e).

That being said OP iirc valkyria chronicles' character designer is a hentai artist so make the thread nerd :V
 

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Yeah this is a strange exposé. Not that I play any of these games but I'm not sure what exactly this is supposed to prove outside of "he did music for hentai". That some of the music isn't up to standard? But didn't people already know that the person responsible wasn't providing the same expected bar of quality? I really don't get the correlation, even with the OP edit this still looks all sorts of awkward.

Like I think there's something to be said about wanting to have a consistent instrumentation, audio balancing, equalization, etc. across a soundtrack. I don't think it's the fault of the contracted composer as much as Falcom in this case, especially given the Twitter thread in the OP uses the differences in instrumentation as a means of establishing provenance of each composition. If Falcom wants a more consistent sound to their games it's up to them to mandate it, in my opinion.
 

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Like I think there's something to be said about wanting to have a consistent instrumentation, audio balancing, equalization, etc. across a soundtrack. I don't think it's the fault of the contracted composer as much as Falcom in this case, especially given the Twitter thread in the OP uses the differences in instrumentation as a means of establishing provenance of each composition. If Falcom wants a more consistent sound to their games it's up to them to mandate it, in my opinion.

Ehhh I'd disagree because a corporation tossing someone a paycheck probably is half as qualified to judge whether or not music sounds good to the general audience than a bad composer let alone a good one.
 

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Ehhh I'd disagree because a corporation tossing someone a paycheck probably is half as qualified to judge whether or not music sounds good to the general audience than a bad composer let alone a good one.

Whoever at the company is overseeing sound direction specifically then. That's not usually a contracted position.
 
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