Dunno that we can really determine anything from the vote yesterday, as there was no real driving force or wagons, and two people didn't even vote.
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Randomless no :( Was looking forward to playing with you. And uh sorry Leo, that day end was messy and a tough one to feel out at half attention.
It was but you still had FEP pushing the 'maybe, maybe not' boundry and malus was even open to scumreading the spot. i agree you couldn't let both of them go (or the cop) and one doctor had to die but...i dunno, it being Rando is weird to me.
in my defense i subbed in and am Green Checked Town:tm: but i cant answer for malus.
think scum weren't up to die?
i'll have to reread it but i soul-read monkey as town so...dunno. i dont think monkey does all this work as scum.
Hmm 1-shot doc is interesting in the setup, that could be a clear on feps? Depends on if Stan is a doc, but if not I think feps has to be town.
Depends on if scum were planning for a tie, or waiting on the sidelines. I think the latter is less likely as my vote came very late and so if there was a game of chicken they had a good read on me.
What don't you like about it?
So update:
FEP: Claimed Doc
HP: Cop
Sneeks: Green Checked
that leaves:
malus
stan
EC
Wiz
hedin
we have 2 scum left at most (i think?) so that means we are 8: 6 Town - 2 Scum
misvote today and NK leaves us at 4 Town - 2 Scum
Misvote following day and NK leaves us at 2 Town - 2 Scum. aka gameover.
so we are close to end game here. something to keep in mind going forward.
Huh that actually feels sooner than expected with two baddies dying n1, but it is a smaller game.
We should no kill tomorrow if we miss today then, to force scum to make a final 5 with some soft clears in there.
My PoE basically boils down to EC and one of Stan or Hedin
We're either in 3T world with one Town role still hidden or in 1T world with three roles still hidden.
It's just the much more likely scenario.
We're either in 3T world with one Town role still hidden or in 1T world with three roles still hidden.
Honestly, I thought the day had been extended and failed to check while visiting family over Easter.
That's fair, in a sense it was because there was a tie that looked unlikely to be broken. In Russian doll we had a last minute tie and I think cult got away as a result, but yeah it was a tough call I'm alright with facing some scrutiny on it with Leo flipping town.
I think the below post was too big / the people I pinged weren't really around so I wanted to bump some of it.
EvilChameleon can you explain your town reads on Monkey/Hedin/Fanto day 1? And your town reads from yesterday?
MrHedin I think I saw a readlist from you on day 2 but not much vote discussion. Thoughts on the two days of voting? You weren't around for the feps claim, initial impressions on that?
malus you missed two end of days, where do you think your vote would have landed on each?
HP picking haw over Monkey/Leo for the cop check - he has a larger post explaining it that I caught on my day 2 catchup, I think I am okay with that for now.
EvilChameleon can you explain your town reads on Monkey/Hedin/Fanto day 1? And your town reads from yesterday?
MrHedin I think I saw a readlist from you on day 2 but not much vote discussion. Thoughts on the two days of voting? You weren't around for the feps claim, initial impressions on that?
malus you missed two end of days, where do you think your vote would have landed on each?
My vote would probably have gone to EC yesterday. D1 I would have switched to VA to break the tie.
All those users were, and still are, being very helpful and open with the game, and contributing a bunch of activity.
Because I want to know if he was roleblocked. It's likely that we have a Town roleblocker as well, so if feps tried to save Eddy/Rando we know that he was blocked from doing so. It also means that whoever our own roleblocker blocked wasn't Scum.
Biggest factor in your uptick for Leo? (considering he was a wagon yesterday and EC wasn't?)
Cool, is there anyone for you that stands out for reasons outside of activity?
malus, I think get what you are getting at with the role questions. But there's a flaw - scum likely have a roleblocker. If we do have a PR hiding and feps is our doctor, they will kill feps and block the hidden PR. If that hidden PR is a doc/cop/blocker, isn't it better for them to stay under wraps?
From the game rules in the first post:
- No notifications unless they are necessary:
- Players will not receive a notification if roleblocked.
- Doctors will not receive a notification if their heal works.
- Players will not receive a notification if they are healed.
I thought the interaction between Monkey and Leo felt very much like Town!Leo.
It depends on how two roleblockers would be resolved. If we can clear more people, it also means the pool of possible Scum candidates gets smaller, increasing our chances to find the Scum roleblocker as well. We can also only afford one more miselimination, so there's not that much more time for claims but I'd be fine with waiting one more day.
That doesn't matter though. We know the kill went through, so if feps tried to save Eddy/Rando we still know he was blocked.
I thought I was pretty open with my vote process on feps so I'm not sure what you are talking about with vote discussion. I honestly don't know what I would have done if I had been around for feps' claim. I felt fairly good about Leo so I don't think I would have moved there. I'm actually surprised another train didn't develop after the claim but maybe the holiday just killed any activity.
Reread what I wrote, not so much your vote process but discussion of the votes on each day. In our previous games, I've seen you look at the wagons. Any insights to scum stacking or spreading on day 1? We know day 1 ended TvT, where were scum in that situation? (outside of Sparks on nin)
How come, since you were on his train day 1?
Looking through this it kind of feels like an intentional mix up from Monkey reads, and especially from a quick skim. Do you have anything updated since you have more time in the game?
The way D1 turned out there wasn't really any analysis that could be done. There was the same amount of people off train than there were on the leading vote, the votes were just too spread out to really figure things out.
As for my stance on Leo changing this is what I put down at the start of D2:
Basically I reexamined and after how VA acted at the end I felt good about the slot.
Why would I intentionally mix up Monkeys reads? I subbed in and wanted to recalibrate the slot with my own point of view.
Regarding it being a skim, Rando pointed out the same thing and I feel like it got misinterpreted. Those are skim impressions because I read the game before subbing it but on a surface spectator level rather than with the same depth I would while actively playing.
I posted some updated reads yesterday but my PoE today is you, malus, EC. I'm still townreading Stans Sparks interactions right now but would like his updated thoughts as the game has moved on a good bit since he last checked in.
What does the bottom of your list look like now that Leo is gone? Is it still HP & malus?
HP goes a click up the list every day he survives, to be honest. If he's a cop, why isn't he dead yet?
malus is still on there due to the lack of a vote at the end of day 2.
Might throw Sneeks on the list now too, less due to the lack of a vote at the end of day 2, as she was a replacement, but more due to other factors.
I doonnn't think I would've voted for Leo all things considered. I kinda agree with malus' that i dont think a scum!leo digs into monkey like that since he would know it's possibly real. FEP i would've gone to until his claim of doctor since that explains his insistance on Eddy and why he kept hounding there for so long. I likely would've ended on malus.
Not true. It would just mean that person did not submit the kill. they could still be scum and done something else/not acted as the killer.
other factors?
Don't you think someone would've counter-claimed me if i was lying?
Reread your D2 and I had a question. I know you said you forgot to vote and that you would have gone EC but what do you feel about FEP? You're focusing a whole lot on mechanics over anything else and I honestly feel like it's scum busy work to get out of other reads. You don't mention Leo much until you finally Town read him at the end there and it's rather out of the blue. Much of your time is about FEP and how Eddy could be scum.
hey wiz, why did you not vote FEP at day end and instead voted Leo? you said it was to stop a tie but you could have gone to FEP there
Possibly. That would bring that person unwanted attention though.
I have the same thing with malus, it feels like a lot of mechanics talk and but no real reads before we got a little bit today. Also where are my vote charts?!
stan reread;
big thing that jumped out is that stan DID press scum!sparks day 1 for his nin vote but then didn't actually do anything further with it. as he says here, he was suspecting that maybe sparks was sneaking on to his vote and, to me, that would say stan was aware a possible scum player was following him. wouldn't that make you question your initial vote on nin?
even though he admits his scum-ish feeling on monkey is because her questioning him was an impossible task. if it's impossible, why did he try it? unless without a chat a scum!stan was trying to get a scum!sparks some cover.
and also jumps out of the gate with a;
so, stan. where are you today with reads. still want FEP? what exactly made you suspect of FEP's push yesterday enough to vote him?
convince me you're not scum
big thing that jumped out is that stan DID press scum!sparks day 1 for his nin vote but then didn't actually do anything further with it. as he says here, he was suspecting that maybe sparks was sneaking on to his vote and, to me, that would say stan was aware a possible scum player was following him. wouldn't that make you question your initial vote on nin?
even though he admits his scum-ish feeling on monkey is because her questioning him was an impossible task. if it's impossible, why did he try it? unless without a chat a scum!stan was trying to get a scum!sparks some cover.
and also jumps out of the gate with a;
so, stan. where are you today with reads. still want FEP? what exactly made you suspect of FEP's push yesterday enough to vote him?
convince me you're not scum
Well I messed up that quote, here is what was under that spoiler which did not belong under a spoiler:
I have the same thing with malus, it feels like a lot of mechanics talk and but no real reads before we got a little bit today. Also where are my vote charts?!
I have the same thing with malus, it feels like a lot of mechanics talk and but no real reads before we got a little bit today. Also where are my vote charts?!
It's a 3 scum game. I'm pretty sure anyone would take that trade off.
Feps claimed doctor in post #709. I actually missed it when I first joined the thread, but Rando had a post about the setup and his line about there being 2 doctors caught my eye.
Claims in this setup are more likely to be truthful because they lead to 1v1 fights which work out poorly for scum. My town read on Leo was more emotional with regard to his Monkey interaction, so I figured that was a better vote than a potential PR we could solve later.
Leo was also leading counter wagon day 1. That's typically a decent early vig shot to move the game along, I figured the same thing with the day 2 vote.
Ugh. Really disappointed with everything right now.
I had my vote on leo because i wanted eddy to be town but the claim just didn't match the pm and i couldn't get a clear picture.
Anyway, i didn't protect random
I had my vote on leo because i wanted eddy to be town but the claim just didn't match the pm and i couldn't get a clear picture.
Anyway, i didn't protect random
aight, read day 1 finally.
pretty confident monkey/Wiz are Town. pushing there for paranoia of 'what if monkey is SUPER scum tho' is silly and lazy.
dang fanto did a great job looking town lol
how no one pressed sparks' for his comments is beyond me. ya'll whack
stan comes to the conclusion of nin VERY early on and just doesn't budge. doesn't really engage him later either before the day ends and i've already stated above about his brief push of sparks (who he thinks was being suspect) but it doesn't impact his nin vote at all. could see a scum!stan locking himself into a town vote and refusing to move.
could see as a team: hedin/sparks/malus;
malus' read of nin is fairly 'shrug, dunno' and doesn't seem to give a reason as to why he doesn't go there Day 1. just says it's likely a 'bad vote' and hops elsewhere. knowing that D1 was all Town at the top (barring monkey but i think she's town) then scum could do whatever and be fine. malus fits this perfectly.
plus malus' FEP vote and light EC shade goes nowhere D2, in fact he reverses from voting FEP to agreeing with him for the majority of D2. he also does mechanics talk a whole lot and then frees VA/Leo of a scum read pretty fast. doesn't vote at all and says would have gone for EC but there's not real attempt to solve that spot (or FEP's for that matter)
tldr;
hedin, malus, and stan all look worse
Wiz i really feel is town
EC was an EC D1. not liking D1 is pretty on brand for him but the little bits he did had seemed fine and engaged.
toss-up between malus and stan today
Vote: malus
pretty confident monkey/Wiz are Town. pushing there for paranoia of 'what if monkey is SUPER scum tho' is silly and lazy.
dang fanto did a great job looking town lol
how no one pressed sparks' for his comments is beyond me. ya'll whack
stan comes to the conclusion of nin VERY early on and just doesn't budge. doesn't really engage him later either before the day ends and i've already stated above about his brief push of sparks (who he thinks was being suspect) but it doesn't impact his nin vote at all. could see a scum!stan locking himself into a town vote and refusing to move.
could see as a team: hedin/sparks/malus;
malus' read of nin is fairly 'shrug, dunno' and doesn't seem to give a reason as to why he doesn't go there Day 1. just says it's likely a 'bad vote' and hops elsewhere. knowing that D1 was all Town at the top (barring monkey but i think she's town) then scum could do whatever and be fine. malus fits this perfectly.
plus malus' FEP vote and light EC shade goes nowhere D2, in fact he reverses from voting FEP to agreeing with him for the majority of D2. he also does mechanics talk a whole lot and then frees VA/Leo of a scum read pretty fast. doesn't vote at all and says would have gone for EC but there's not real attempt to solve that spot (or FEP's for that matter)
tldr;
hedin, malus, and stan all look worse
Wiz i really feel is town
EC was an EC D1. not liking D1 is pretty on brand for him but the little bits he did had seemed fine and engaged.
toss-up between malus and stan today
Vote: malus
So you didn't protect Random because after the flip you thought he was scum based on Eddy's claim?
but how does that make you feel
aka whatcha thinking. scum? town? who is his teammate?
thanks for this.
:shockedpika:
im kind of in the same boat? we can do mass claims tomorrow but im not sure we need it today?
Thanks for the analysis Sneeks. I'm willing to back the Malus vote. Probably shouldn't have voted there yesterday with how things panned out but I've seen no real reason to change my mind on Malus.
Yeah tomorrow I might go along with it but today I feel is too soon.