Just saw this video, this is getting me a bit worried of their future. Iwata seemed to have the perfect mentality for Nintendo even if that started to wane later on.
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KnowledgeHub: Nintendo Is An Awful Company Now...And That's Nothing New
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Before I spend 15 minutes, does this video say anything different than what we talk about on Era every day?
I see what he's saying, certainly. Nintendo has done a lot of stupid stuff, and presently does a lot of stupid stuff.
But to say they are the greatest evil in the industry when game publishers are flooding their full-price AAA games with microtransactions, lootboxes, and pay to win mechanics is ludicrous.
Nintendo does a lot of stupid things. Limited releases are stupid. Their online is stupid. How they treat their fans is stupid. But at the very least they are one of the few game companies where I can go to a store, plunk down $60 + tax for one of their games, and know that I'm getting a full game experience, and any DLC sold later will be only put in place to enhance the game.
But to say they are the greatest evil in the industry when game publishers are flooding their full-price AAA games with microtransactions, lootboxes, and pay to win mechanics is ludicrous.
Nintendo does a lot of stupid things. Limited releases are stupid. Their online is stupid. How they treat their fans is stupid. But at the very least they are one of the few game companies where I can go to a store, plunk down $60 + tax for one of their games, and know that I'm getting a full game experience, and any DLC sold later will be only put in place to enhance the game.
jesus christ who cares about 'anticonsumer'. its toys, buy it or dont. Its not evil to charge more than other people do for a totally optional product.
Bobby also just hired bunch of Trumpers into executive positions. So yeah... there got to be some perspective.
There may be some points made here, but I did not enjoy this video. The tone is rather sensationalized (not to mention just kind of obnoxious) and the analysis tends toward the facile.
"Going forward I fully expect the company to ride the Switch hype train until it crashes, and then they'll probably just go out of the console business; they've even seemed to indicate that themselves."
"There's only a few more cycles the Switch can get updated before they just call it quits."
lol. thanks for alerting me to this guy's content.
"Going forward I fully expect the company to ride the Switch hype train until it crashes, and then they'll probably just go out of the console business; they've even seemed to indicate that themselves."
"There's only a few more cycles the Switch can get updated before they just call it quits."
lol. thanks for alerting me to this guy's content.
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I roll my eyes so hard at this point whenever anyone says anti consumer like a publicly traded for profit company isn't always going to be evil. Their job is to make money not make you feel good about the games you buy haha.
this feels more like an essay for why this dude doesn't like Nintendo than anything actually well researched or thought out.
this feels more like an essay for why this dude doesn't like Nintendo than anything actually well researched or thought out.
Yeah I remember the Xbox Live thread that got locked fairly quick due to some iffy claims or something
This is classic white washing of the Iwata era. The grumpiness about people using their IP was always there but worse. The limited time releases were there. The bad attitude to third parties was there but much much worse.
Really I just think a GameCube killed his dog.
Really I just think a GameCube killed his dog.
The way some people on this forum talk about videogames as if luxury entertainment is a human right comparable to food and medication will never not make me cringe.
It's okay to disagree with a company and their pricing policies, for example, but ultimately they can charge whatever they want for their toys and that doesn't make them "evil" or anti-consumer.
So strange.
I watched the whole video for some reason. The answer is "Nah."
I waited through about 30 seconds of the ad baked into the beginning. Then I skipped a few minutes forward and it was still the intro. Then I skipped a few minutes forward to a claim that the GameCube discs were a malevolent attempt to wring money out of everyone. Then I skipped a few minutes forward and it was an argument that only visionaries should run companies, not operations people, because no one who does business knows anything about anything. Then I skipped forward a few minutes and found Iwata worship. A minute or two more and I got a forum post on "The Blue Ocean". Then a few minutes later he says the 3DS and Wii U are blue ocean products but the blue ocean strategy didn't work.
The actual evidence for the thesis appears to be in the pre-ad intro (which is basically "Nintendo has pissed off fans on the internet by meddling with fighting game tournaments and being mean to Etika, maybe") and then about 60 seconds near the end, where Nintendo did evil things like charge for online and license for a theme park. It's not even internally consistent because if the problem is selling useless shit to fans, the Iwata era did plenty of that, including Amiibo and plastic Wii peripherals and charging for broken or threadbare games like Mario Party 10. The video doesn't seem to mention anything about CSR issues, which is one of the few ways in which you might actually consider a company "evil".
I would say this video is a below average internet forum post.
The actual evidence for the thesis appears to be in the pre-ad intro (which is basically "Nintendo has pissed off fans on the internet by meddling with fighting game tournaments and being mean to Etika, maybe") and then about 60 seconds near the end, where Nintendo did evil things like charge for online and license for a theme park. It's not even internally consistent because if the problem is selling useless shit to fans, the Iwata era did plenty of that, including Amiibo and plastic Wii peripherals and charging for broken or threadbare games like Mario Party 10. The video doesn't seem to mention anything about CSR issues, which is one of the few ways in which you might actually consider a company "evil".
I would say this video is a below average internet forum post.
Y'know, I loved Iwata as much as the next guy, but he was no saint. Nintendo made plenty of horrible decisions under his tenure.
In most ways, Nintendo is pretty much the same as they've always been, for better or worse.
In most ways, Nintendo is pretty much the same as they've always been, for better or worse.
God i hate when people do that shit like saying "Iwata would be disappointed", literally hiding behind a dead man who was also in change when decisions like that were happening before
The video is pretty presumptuous and he doesn't really give any argument as for why Nintendo is doomed again.
Also, did he really use the Etikons as proof of Nintendo's evil? Didn't that end up with the dude making them just trying to profit off Etika's death, and Etika's family not wanting then to be sold?
Also, did he really use the Etikons as proof of Nintendo's evil? Didn't that end up with the dude making them just trying to profit off Etika's death, and Etika's family not wanting then to be sold?
Yeah. Activision in particular is really trying to take that "worst publisher ever" title away from EA.
Lol yeah. I've tried to emphasize this so many times. Video games are a nonessential LUXURY good. They literally don't matter even a little in the grand scheme of things, as much as we all love them. You can just not buy a bad product and move on. They compete with every single other type of entertainment, which is essentially infinite nowadays.
Whenever I hear the word "anticonsumer" its a huge red flag for me to ignore someone. They tend to have a warped perception of economic incentives in general, nor do they ever really nail down the root of their complaints, the types of regulation necessary to make a difference if market pressure doesn't matter, and what the implications of that would be industry wide.
The ONLY time these complaints are legitimate in any serious way are when gaming companies are capitalizing on essentially gambling addictions for some business models, e.g. lootboxes. Then we have basiccally a public health issue, and yeah regulatory bodies should get involved in some way -- how exactly is certainly up for debate among reasonable people.
I have seen things like this on twitter and other places, "Nintendo changes since Iwata died". But Nintendo has done pretty much the same since a long while. Don't get me wrong, I liked Iwata. He taking a pay cut to keep workers is respectful as hell.
I just think it's time to keep his name out of things that people have a gripe with Nintendo. Let the dude rest in peace.
I just think it's time to keep his name out of things that people have a gripe with Nintendo. Let the dude rest in peace.
The lack of perspective is always astonishing when it comes to this take. Then again gamers for the most part are a combination of entitlement and first world problems. When you spend most of your free time on the net or in gaming circles you probably think that's actually the case.
Besides that ....these kind of negativity clickbait videos usually result in clicks and engagement. So I can't even blame them.. wouldn't get a thread on ERA of this was a positive take heh.
Besides that ....these kind of negativity clickbait videos usually result in clicks and engagement. So I can't even blame them.. wouldn't get a thread on ERA of this was a positive take heh.
I mean you're basically making the inverse of the same bad argument as those people. No reasonable discourse believes video games are an equivalent necessity to food. That does not invalidate the idea that Nintendo (or any big corporation) is unethical or immoral in some way with its revenue structure. That you have millionaire executives among 5 figure developers is a case in point.
If this is your premise, which is reasonable, there is nothing even interesting to say about Nintendo or any particular video game company, as your complaint is structural about the economic environment they exist in.
False.
Nintendo didn't just kill off three platforms' online stores for no legit reason.
Nintendo at least had to kill the Wii and DS' online because GameSpy, the provider, was shutdown.
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There are plenty of reasons outside of my example that could be argued to add nuance or differentiation between Nintendo and X other company. I still think there are interesting discussions to be had about whether Nintendo is "awful" (although I probably wouldn't use that word since it is very vague and subjective).
My only point is that Matrix's point wasn't really salient, he was fighting a strawman with that food comparison. I haven't seen the video, and based on most of the takes here it is sensationalist so I do not want to support it.
Makes me wonder how gamers nowadays would have handled the whole Atari crysis era?
All the evidence you need of Nintendo being garbage is how they've handled their shitty, trash tier joy-cons that somehow still go on store shelves even though they shouldn't be allowed to sell such a completely shit product. And then there's a bunch of other stuff, of course.
They seem to be competing with Sony to grab that "most shit" trophy.
They seem to be competing with Sony to grab that "most shit" trophy.
Probably should give it a couple of years before you praise Nintendo for this. I wouldn't be shocked if the Wii U/3DS servers went down sooner rather than later.
Also the Nintendo Wii online store was separate from the Gamespy online multiplayer servers and it was still shut down.
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