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MafiEra Mafia |OT| The Day of the Blargonauts
- Thread starter The Bear
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I don't know how you can stand being 100% Town-read like I am right now. I find myself insufferable. A constant state of responsible agony
The Pikachu hat is pretty cool
Which part of Faddy's friendliness made you vote for him? You never got back to me after I answered your complaint about my vote either.
I would say that's how I felt before I was 100% Town-read. Now though? My reads are here, people trust they are coming from a good place, I can evaluate without needing to be defensive. It's a luxury.
I can even just post random Life is Strange gifs and not catch a single scum read for it!
Wait, is this what it's like to be you?
Where are you getting Tracker from?
i usually dislike harping on time stamps but we all voted at the same time. Their votes weren't there when I hit post.
thought I quoted this but guess not. :x
Day 1 I had Turmoil as a 'null' in my reads list. Day 2 I did the ISO of him that I've quoted in my case against Turmoil where I basically list him as 'inoffensive and quiet, really likes Fandorin. not sure I scum read him yet tho'. You can tell I really mean he is inoffensive because I say it 3 times. ( ._.)
You're practically me right now
Wait, is this what it's like to be you?
So I have class through most of the day tomorrow so I won't be around much on EoD. I'm out 40 minutes before the day ends, but I have to read everything and eat lunch, so I don't know if I'll be able to talk much. I might change my vote depending on how the vote is looking, but for now I'll just leave it on Fandorin. I'm perfectly okay with the Faddy vote though
You can't explain what Turmoil did, no. You can explain what you did during that time though. You mention that a lot of others town leaned on you on Day 1 and he was hard Town reading you then and that 'wasn't very suspect'. But isn't someone sticking out on Day 1 and saying, 'yeah, I trust this person a lot' suspect in itself? He took that trust in you a lot farther than anyone else did.
I'm also not sure why you're framing his backing down from you on D2 as some sort of sign here. You even mention yourself that he started to back away when people called him out on the 'Fandorin train' post so having him continue that into D2 isn't shocking. In fact it's what I'd expect from a Scum player getting called out promoting a buddy too much to do.
Fandorin I'll sum it up like this. You were seemingly aware of Turmoil giving you a lot of good reads, moreso than anyone else, and yet didn't bat an eye at it. In a game where anyone can potentially be Scum and kill you I find it very difficult to believe you did not find that suspicious or weird in the slightest. Your actions tell me you didn't think that way and were more than happy to just let him trust you.
Thanks I won it in Pokemon [Mafia]. I think Faddy is being "mind-controlled" by CeeCee since Cee was never formally reprimanded by a host for his "mistaken" "vote" formatting. I believe Cee used a Power on Faddy in broad Daylight and snuck it right past us. Why not vote against Cee? Because I admire such daring.
I find malus hard to read. If I faked concern I hoped to elicit his reaction. I will disregard yours for now yet I thank you for participating
On a more serious note, I am working on a new read list which I plan to share when I wake up tomorrow, so I'm not just turning into a shitpost machine with my Confirmed Town status, don't worry.
Right now though, I am perfectly fine with seeing any of Faddy, Fandorin, or Malus up for the lynch, nothing from them has changed my mind much yet about those Scum Reads today.
I do think there are other players worthy of suspicion, but for today I would like to target within that group which came out of that EoD looking the most suspect, which I believe there are good cases against all 3 that have already been made today.
Right now though, I am perfectly fine with seeing any of Faddy, Fandorin, or Malus up for the lynch, nothing from them has changed my mind much yet about those Scum Reads today.
I do think there are other players worthy of suspicion, but for today I would like to target within that group which came out of that EoD looking the most suspect, which I believe there are good cases against all 3 that have already been made today.
It's weird that we have basically the same scum list after trying to get each other killed for a few days, but I very much agree. I'm down to lynch any of them today.
I think I'm less interested in malus, but Faddy and Fandorin give us a good chance of hitting mafia again, I think, while malus and maybe rac are folks I would consider secondary targets.
I'm really upset that multiquote isn't working correctly. I just went through and marked all the times Fandorin inserted things like "since I'm town" and "I, a townie" in his last few posts, and they're not in my quote queue. It's a distinct change in the way he's spoken and I know he wasn't under much scrutiny before but it really sticks out if you ISO him.
I did get this one, though. Did this happen? Did y'all get a chance to talk in your boat?
More Fandorin stuff in a few.
Yeah, I'd personally vote between Fandorin and Faddy. I think I'd go Fandorin first for today as of right now at least, so I'd switch my vote there if need be to make it happen. Faddy has just really not made me feel good about where he is coming from here today though, so I like my vote where it is.
That's fair. I think people have made some good cases on Faddy and he's definitely not showing the level of "wants it more" that he usually does as town. I was gonna finish my Fandorin stuff but man, I'm just too tired. Long day. I'll wrap that up tomorrow. Maybe better to hear if there's been any development in that boat first anyhow.
I agree with some of the sentiments regarding Faddy seeming a bit more detached than usual, but this is classic Faddy.
Finally.
This is quite a contradictory stance. So you're not happy I went with Pirate Bae over more scum read people, but then lament that I just followed other peoples scum read? And besides, I even told in a later post, that the chart was only secondary in my voting decision.
Fandorin seems quite insistent to point out that he is town. Also he didn't bring anything new to the table so far and hasn't put forward any reads. Instead he spends most of his time defending Turmoils connection with him. This all doesn't read very good to me and puts him into scum territory.
I'm still suspicious of rac: So far he has spent the whole day defending his vote for Flux at eod 2. In this process he brought up several times that Flux could as well be scum and have bussed Turmoil. In the end he votes for me (with a wrongly formatted vote by the way) out of the blue.
Also I'm not a fan of this reaction by Brazil to rac not giving any reason for his vote and just accepts it. I guess he just assumes that rac has the same read as him, but that still looks pretty lazy to me.
Faddy gives me a strange feeling. He doesn't seem as insisting on his reads as in other games and to me he comes across to be trying to stay a bit in the background. But I like that he brings up different viewpoints other than just repeating what the confirmed town members have to say.
For now I think I'll go here:
vote: Fandorin
What happened to your Zeke rage? I was curious where that was going.
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Just woke up and caught up, want to do that malus read so I'll brb
That's not a particularly long read. 3 things jumped out at me:
First, these two posts read weird to me. They are only 8 hours a part from each other (and that;s 8 hours during night time in the US so there weren't a lot of posts between them) and I don't really see why Fandorin would be put forward twice in such quick succession. It's a small thing and completely biased by D3 musing that Fandorin might be scum but if he is then this has some worry.
Second, A LOT of malus' posts are spent talking about CeeCee and the reads are very inconsistent. It starts with wanting to lynch him then eventually cooling and saying that it was probably town making a bad move then it switchd back in a negative direction when the leashing talk started and malus mentions that it would be crazy to just allow CeeCee to do whatever he wanted (even though the read is now that he's town), then we get into day 2 and we're back to wanting to lynch CeeCee because he can't shoot that day. Then we get a post where he says he thinks scum CeeCee is unlikely and a neutral doesn't make sense with one shot, so he's probably town but then leaves the door open to change again later.
There's progression there but I feel like a lot of it is just mimicking the temperature of the room at the time. I see some changes that make sense, like that last swap after I mark day 2 since CeeCee first claims no shot today then claims only one shot over the whole game but the progression on day 1 doesn't really have an impetus, it just happens. I'm more 50/50 on this one. On the one hand, it could be scum keeping a mislynch in mind, on the other, someone looking at this from just the objective standpoint would say that CeeCee made an anti-town play and I don't think malus knows CeeCee that well so that confusion and eventual following of the room isn't exactly damning.
The final thing I noticed (remembered lol) is the whole stats thing that I think put everyone in arms. A lot of people got mad at this in the moment then dropped it but idk how much that stuck in people's heads. I believe this was whatever, he could have done the lazier thing and compiled that data then just voted whoever was most scum read by everyone but he still voted where he wanted to and this was before all the claim shenanigans so I don't see much issue here. I haven't seen anyone quote that today as a reason for suspecting him so maybe no one cares as much as I think but it was a hot topic day 2 end before the claims started.
So....sure, I see it. I don't think I lynch him first though. I think the odds of him being scum go up more if Fandorin is scum though.
First, these two posts read weird to me. They are only 8 hours a part from each other (and that;s 8 hours during night time in the US so there weren't a lot of posts between them) and I don't really see why Fandorin would be put forward twice in such quick succession. It's a small thing and completely biased by D3 musing that Fandorin might be scum but if he is then this has some worry.
Second, A LOT of malus' posts are spent talking about CeeCee and the reads are very inconsistent. It starts with wanting to lynch him then eventually cooling and saying that it was probably town making a bad move then it switchd back in a negative direction when the leashing talk started and malus mentions that it would be crazy to just allow CeeCee to do whatever he wanted (even though the read is now that he's town), then we get into day 2 and we're back to wanting to lynch CeeCee because he can't shoot that day. Then we get a post where he says he thinks scum CeeCee is unlikely and a neutral doesn't make sense with one shot, so he's probably town but then leaves the door open to change again later.
There's progression there but I feel like a lot of it is just mimicking the temperature of the room at the time. I see some changes that make sense, like that last swap after I mark day 2 since CeeCee first claims no shot today then claims only one shot over the whole game but the progression on day 1 doesn't really have an impetus, it just happens. I'm more 50/50 on this one. On the one hand, it could be scum keeping a mislynch in mind, on the other, someone looking at this from just the objective standpoint would say that CeeCee made an anti-town play and I don't think malus knows CeeCee that well so that confusion and eventual following of the room isn't exactly damning.
The final thing I noticed (remembered lol) is the whole stats thing that I think put everyone in arms. A lot of people got mad at this in the moment then dropped it but idk how much that stuck in people's heads. I believe this was whatever, he could have done the lazier thing and compiled that data then just voted whoever was most scum read by everyone but he still voted where he wanted to and this was before all the claim shenanigans so I don't see much issue here. I haven't seen anyone quote that today as a reason for suspecting him so maybe no one cares as much as I think but it was a hot topic day 2 end before the claims started.
So....sure, I see it. I don't think I lynch him first though. I think the odds of him being scum go up more if Fandorin is scum though.
You thought the rage would be that of a lion, turns out it was just that of a little kitten. Just cute with no real bite.
Faddy any response to post 3456 or 3460?
This goes out to everyone except flux and Sorian.
You guys just cool with letting CC pass as town?
Alright I have to get something out:
So our chat isn't exactly overflowing with love (5 posts each) but there's one post that is a thorn in my eye.
When I asked CeeCee how he felt about Faddy, he responded with how he didn't feel great about him and how he reminded him of a couple of games he played with him where Faddy was scum.
Now that reasoning is obviously bullshit, since according to Faddy, Brexit 2 was his first time playing as scum and CeeCee wasn't in that game.
Not sure if that's really alignment indicative since he could just have alluded to that game if he passively followed it, but it jumped out to me as if he wanted to get me to vote for Faddy as well. He voted Faddy right after that interaction too.
malus what do you think if the above post from cc?
Would cc thinking you are scum explain the lite chat use?
If cc thinks you and faddy are part of a scum team, it is odd cc would voice that in the lover chat.
Dr. Monkey how is cc town via game actions?
Only thing confirmed via game action for cc is that they had a big shot correct?
Only thing confirmed via game action for cc is that they had a big shot correct?
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TheChuggernaut looking at only your posts from today you don't seem to be too "proactive" in doing anything. Not counting your reads list, most of your stuff I would chalk up as surface level. Your biggest post is about defending Brazil and a slight town lean on my slot. When monkey asks you about kyan, you sorta back off.
I was going to look back to the thread after some leads, but ended up doing something else.
This will be my last post defending myself. It seems Neeks is the only one even entertaining my posts, so why bother. I'll try to find some leads to guide you guys once I flip, since I don't think you guys will have much to go after, but I confess I lost some motivation on the game.
I think that Turmoil suddenly never mentioning me again on D2 shows how he was just winging that Town Read and actually forgot about me since he didn't care about my contributions or anything I said in the thread. Like I said, WIFOM territory or whatever, but scummates are usually careful about incriminating themselves, and I've never seen a Scum member forget about his interactions with another team member so much like that.
And yeah, I was OK with him trusting me. Why would that be a problem? I know that the could "trust me", so when he was doing that on D1, when a few others were, that didn't really get my attention. Again, if he had shared that read on D2, I would've probably done something about it.
This will be my last post defending myself. It seems Neeks is the only one even entertaining my posts, so why bother. I'll try to find some leads to guide you guys once I flip, since I don't think you guys will have much to go after, but I confess I lost some motivation on the game.
I guess I could've addressed it on D1, but I never really do that when others town reading me. I didn't do that with any other player in the end. I think that if turmoil shared a reads lists on D2 and had me town read again I would've mentioned something or prodded him, since I played horribly at D2 and that would alarm me, but that didn't happen so w/e.
I think that Turmoil suddenly never mentioning me again on D2 shows how he was just winging that Town Read and actually forgot about me since he didn't care about my contributions or anything I said in the thread. Like I said, WIFOM territory or whatever, but scummates are usually careful about incriminating themselves, and I've never seen a Scum member forget about his interactions with another team member so much like that.
And yeah, I was OK with him trusting me. Why would that be a problem? I know that the could "trust me", so when he was doing that on D1, when a few others were, that didn't really get my attention. Again, if he had shared that read on D2, I would've probably done something about it.
I think the post just repeats what is the general sentiment in this thread.
I guess him mistrusting me could lead to fewer posts, since I restrained from posting much too when the above mentioned interaction happened, but I'm not a great conversationalist, and he doesn't seem like a very talkative guy as well so there's that. I'm also not sure what I should post in there that I couldn't just post here.
I don't think it is odd to voice a scum feel for someone you think is on the scum team with your chat partner. I thought about doing the same to see his reaction and if he would defend them. Also I specifically asked him how he felt about Faddy.
boy I sure hope Fireblend didn't post anything important in our chat because wow have I not opened that thread at all
I don't really think Cee's Mafia. A DayVig of/or a JOAT wouldn't be so out (t)here
EZubz though. You will be mine
EZubz though. You will be mine
Was driving to work and debating where I want to vote. I'm between Brazil and Fandorin right now.
VOTE: Fandorin
Everyone else has pretty much trounced that ground, what's convinced me to push that needle more towards him than Brazil has been their reactions under pressure. Brazil got tilted and I don't think he does that as scum, at least he never did in HvV when I was with him, he was always more careful than that and saved the tilt for scum chat.
VOTE: Fandorin
Everyone else has pretty much trounced that ground, what's convinced me to push that needle more towards him than Brazil has been their reactions under pressure. Brazil got tilted and I don't think he does that as scum, at least he never did in HvV when I was with him, he was always more careful than that and saved the tilt for scum chat.
I decided to read back on D2 Faddy since it looks like today's lynch will be between me and him. Comments on posts that got my attention with a conclusion at the end.
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- #2517 comments he likes Chuggs and is surprised Fantomas is pushing a scum read on him. Mentions his dislike of Brazil shot on Terra while throwing some shade at Fireblend, mentioning he has been "elusive" this game without an actual stance.
- #2527 explains more about his Fireblend and Brazil read. He also comments KetKat's scum read on Fantomas and agrees with her. He then offers a quick read list. Town: Fran, Chuggs and CeeCee (for their claims), cabot as top town read, Fandorin, Sorian and Natiko. Scum: The coasting group (KetKat, Zubz, kyan, malus, AB), rac and Flux as top scum read, developing a bit on that read with quotes.
- #2562 responding Brazil, he gives detailed readings on Sorian, Natiko and Monkey, orders them as Sorian > Natko > Monkey.
- #2612 pushes Sawneeks while commenting on her shade on Fantomas, in which she said "Fantomas was playing like I play scum". Faddy commented that Neeks initially had Fantomas as town in her read list, but then backed off it later saying he was scummy "for the same reasons".
#2671 orders Fran's list, with rac as the scummiest and turmoil as a null read right in the middle. Has Pirate Bae as likely town based on her interactions with Fantomas, who he was scum reading.
SCUM
Rac
Ketkat
Fantomas
Blarg
Turmoil
Pirate Bae
CeeCee
Chuggs
TOWN
- #2679 in a conversation with absolutbro, comments that he and Fantomas were scum reading each other, later tries to clarify it on #2683 after Fantomas calls him out. Mentions that there were posts where Fantomas hedged him as scum, but doesn't link to anything.
- #2685 puts a vote down for Flux while lamenting that reads don't actually mattered this phase due to Fran's override gun.
-#2752 comments that Malus "was probably meming" with the graph and that there wasn't much to read into it.
-#2836, #2846, #2874 and #2901 are the posts where he pushes for Flux lynch after turmoil fake claimed. Differently than Brazil did, he considers more mechanics when calling out, mentioning that "a commuter could still be targeted depending on the gamemaster". In the first reaction post to the mess, quoted below, Faddy mentions "This is not the mindset of vanilla town", and I found a bit peculiar how he adds the word "vanilla" in there. What difference would it make if this was the mindset of a Town PR?
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Conclusion:
Overall, I town lean Faddy. I understand the concerns on his day end last phase, though he wouldn't be my vote this phase (my read list coming up soon).
He expressed most of his reads well, considering we couldn't really pressure vote and that the discussion ended being limited to the names Fran put out. I liked his Sawneeks read, and his Fantomas progression as well. His initial scum read on Sawneeks began due to a comment on Fantomas, who he admittedly had a eye on, so that felt genuine. Faddy what is your take on Neeks this phase? If you commented on it already, I didn't catch it so I'm sorry.
It is worth noting that, despite being his biggest scum read, Faddy had a big post going pressuring Flux but then didn't mention him again until he voted for him in the last few hours of the day. He wasn't on Fran's list and Faddy sorta carried his scum read from D1, but could be the scum team wanted to pressure Flux after finding out, somehow, that he was a PR at N1.
My take on the final stretch of D2 is that scum could've reacted both ways after turmoil fake claimed: a) prepare the bus since his flip was inevitable one way or another after the claim, or b) find footing and push against Flux, hoping turmoil's gambit pans out to give scum that "extra lynch". I can see Faddy fitting into that second category, considering he could use his game long scum read on him as cover. I can see why some want to lynch him for this.
His offhand comment on malus is noteworthy though. If one of them flips scum, I'd look back and see if there are weird interactions there.
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- #2517 comments he likes Chuggs and is surprised Fantomas is pushing a scum read on him. Mentions his dislike of Brazil shot on Terra while throwing some shade at Fireblend, mentioning he has been "elusive" this game without an actual stance.
- #2527 explains more about his Fireblend and Brazil read. He also comments KetKat's scum read on Fantomas and agrees with her. He then offers a quick read list. Town: Fran, Chuggs and CeeCee (for their claims), cabot as top town read, Fandorin, Sorian and Natiko. Scum: The coasting group (KetKat, Zubz, kyan, malus, AB), rac and Flux as top scum read, developing a bit on that read with quotes.
- #2562 responding Brazil, he gives detailed readings on Sorian, Natiko and Monkey, orders them as Sorian > Natko > Monkey.
- #2612 pushes Sawneeks while commenting on her shade on Fantomas, in which she said "Fantomas was playing like I play scum". Faddy commented that Neeks initially had Fantomas as town in her read list, but then backed off it later saying he was scummy "for the same reasons".
#2671 orders Fran's list, with rac as the scummiest and turmoil as a null read right in the middle. Has Pirate Bae as likely town based on her interactions with Fantomas, who he was scum reading.
SCUM
Rac
Ketkat
Fantomas
Blarg
Turmoil
Pirate Bae
CeeCee
Chuggs
TOWN
- #2679 in a conversation with absolutbro, comments that he and Fantomas were scum reading each other, later tries to clarify it on #2683 after Fantomas calls him out. Mentions that there were posts where Fantomas hedged him as scum, but doesn't link to anything.
- #2685 puts a vote down for Flux while lamenting that reads don't actually mattered this phase due to Fran's override gun.
-#2752 comments that Malus "was probably meming" with the graph and that there wasn't much to read into it.
-#2836, #2846, #2874 and #2901 are the posts where he pushes for Flux lynch after turmoil fake claimed. Differently than Brazil did, he considers more mechanics when calling out, mentioning that "a commuter could still be targeted depending on the gamemaster". In the first reaction post to the mess, quoted below, Faddy mentions "This is not the mindset of vanilla town", and I found a bit peculiar how he adds the word "vanilla" in there. What difference would it make if this was the mindset of a Town PR?
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Conclusion:
Overall, I town lean Faddy. I understand the concerns on his day end last phase, though he wouldn't be my vote this phase (my read list coming up soon).
He expressed most of his reads well, considering we couldn't really pressure vote and that the discussion ended being limited to the names Fran put out. I liked his Sawneeks read, and his Fantomas progression as well. His initial scum read on Sawneeks began due to a comment on Fantomas, who he admittedly had a eye on, so that felt genuine. Faddy what is your take on Neeks this phase? If you commented on it already, I didn't catch it so I'm sorry.
It is worth noting that, despite being his biggest scum read, Faddy had a big post going pressuring Flux but then didn't mention him again until he voted for him in the last few hours of the day. He wasn't on Fran's list and Faddy sorta carried his scum read from D1, but could be the scum team wanted to pressure Flux after finding out, somehow, that he was a PR at N1.
My take on the final stretch of D2 is that scum could've reacted both ways after turmoil fake claimed: a) prepare the bus since his flip was inevitable one way or another after the claim, or b) find footing and push against Flux, hoping turmoil's gambit pans out to give scum that "extra lynch". I can see Faddy fitting into that second category, considering he could use his game long scum read on him as cover. I can see why some want to lynch him for this.
His offhand comment on malus is noteworthy though. If one of them flips scum, I'd look back and see if there are weird interactions there.