Metal Gear Solid Mafia Redux |OT| I'll Die After I Kill You
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I don't think it's actually a "Vig" in the traditional sense as much as he's trying to play it off that way.
VOTE: Kenny
Kenny isn't even making the "here's what I think about the low posters so far" lists so this is a vote to remind us he's playing.
Kenny isn't even making the "here's what I think about the low posters so far" lists so this is a vote to remind us he's playing.
Some people had a good entrance but dropped a little in my estimation, but here's my "nah not gonna vote there" set for now:
Fanto
Neki
Zem
Ephi
Ael
Sparks
Lower tier here, like in the space between "null" and "nah"
Maol
ATP
People I don't want to vote today because they tend to need some time to marinate:
Zeke, Faddy, Kalor, Kenny, jman, LP
Ty was here^^but I don't feel great about that. I don't feel great about any of them, but I feel less great about those. Probably the next one I would drop down would be Kenny, at least for now.
People who are more likely town but who are pinging me anyway
Chuggs
Feign
Stan
Ambulance
nin I can't get a grip on. That's a lot of posts. It's a very jagged presence. Engaged but... I don't know. nin should rightly be in the ??? category for me but like Ty, I don't feel great putting him there.
Anyone not listed is a big question mark for me and a possible consideration.
Fanto
Neki
Zem
Ephi
Ael
Sparks
Lower tier here, like in the space between "null" and "nah"
Maol
ATP
People I don't want to vote today because they tend to need some time to marinate:
Zeke, Faddy, Kalor, Kenny, jman, LP
Ty was here^^but I don't feel great about that. I don't feel great about any of them, but I feel less great about those. Probably the next one I would drop down would be Kenny, at least for now.
People who are more likely town but who are pinging me anyway
Chuggs
Feign
Stan
Ambulance
nin I can't get a grip on. That's a lot of posts. It's a very jagged presence. Engaged but... I don't know. nin should rightly be in the ??? category for me but like Ty, I don't feel great putting him there.
Anyone not listed is a big question mark for me and a possible consideration.
There's little reason to hide speculation at this point, i guess, beyond stating the obvious that no one else should give role hints at this point, not even in reaction to this.
I would be less inclined to speculate except he went and openly said him and a cop should hook up which was a choice decision.
Okay yeah, fuck it. Let's talk about this. It's not a gun, it's a bomb and it targets a random person from the people who are on the vote with him as well as the person he's voting for. The defuse thing is a way to avoid people suspecting him if he needs it, but he doesn't get a target if he does that. He's sidestepping that by just claiming and trying to come across as pro-town. He probably has a mechanic to kill whoever targets him at night, which gets scum off his back, but if they do target him he gets town cred as well as another kill on whatever counter he has to get to.
Thirded after his reveal post tonight but I don't think you come out all guns blazing like that as a serial killer unless you really don't like playing that role and want out quickly.
This is an idea. But yeah, I don't think he has a gun, and I don't think he can vote for someone that doesn't have any votes on them and still kill them.
And inviting scum to kill him definitely makes me think he can avoid a NK either by killing whoever targets him, or blowing up and taking someone with him.
Yeah we should probably kill him. If we decide not to for whatever reason I would strongly advise town PR's to avoid visiting him.
He said at one point he didn't like his role. So I mean. It's possible?
I hate derailing the thread for it, but nothing about that claim felt townie to me.
I mean
When have I been playing? I don't consider myself a vigilante, but that's the title I was given.
I like that you're trying to shift to me being neutral, though. I've been waiting for someone to start that train. Carry on. :)
I'll just reiterate, people should still post who they wouldn't vote for regardless on how this goes with Feign.
Yeah, losing a day 1 to a neutral always sucks. I agree with this.
Yep but I dunno, he's been pretty forthcoming with how his role works which is what still makes me think he's town. If he's not possible to investigate then that causes a big issue though.
Yeah, that's the point. Look at how much town cred he got from playing it how he did at first. The hope was by the time we wised up he would already have all the kills he needed.
I dont think feign is a serial killer but I have suspected him being neutral since his opening post.
Would love to see the questions I asked answered when he finishes his date.
Would love to see the questions I asked answered when he finishes his date.
Yeah, it kind of gave me a hard time too. Honestly was just going to write it off and let him do him, but I went back and looked at the claim to try to figure out what exactly he was doing and had a "Wait this doesn't sound town at all" moment
If he needs a certain amount of kills then surely his best bet is keeping quiet and joining the biggest vote trains to hide in though?
If that's indeed how his role works.
Sure, but with that he has to possibility of being town read and killed. This way he gets to chill with town cred and bait out some people doing night actions with whatever the fuck happens when you target him
Like I could be wrong here, but I'm pretty sure I'm not. I just can't wrap my head around that being a town role.
not too grand a scheme. role claim was cooked up and rolled out pretty fast.
It'd either work or it wouldn't. I just don't want it to be a thing that gets brought up again and again as the game goes on, so if we want to deal with it, the sooner the better
Okay, I'm done catching up. That... Hmm, took a while.
This is the busiest D1 I've seen. Lots of discussions seemed to pop up really early and out of nowhere, which I have a hunch is scum activity. Town doesn't have a plan D1, they just get into the thread all happy because it's a new game and maybe they try some reads but nothing serious because they know there isn't much to analyze and that's okay. So I'm keeping an eye on some players i felt were wordy very early, like Monkey, nin, Feign, Launch/Haw.
Also caught my attention Dr. Monkey and TheChuggernaut town reading Ambulance a few hours in after he posted basically nothing. Ambulance is an easy town read to fake, easy place for scum to go.
nin Is feeling scummy to me, lots of discussions and reads that went nowhere, seems eager to show he is contributing but doesn't feel cohesive with what he's chasing. Also is very different from his town game I've seen. Wouldn't mind voting today.
Feign is hard to sort into an alignment right now because his play is very bold, and players like that have to be very consistent being scum or town or else they will be too easy to read. I do not understand why he's so eager to claim halfway through D1. Why do you think sharing that information now is beneficial to town, Feign? What I know is that i wouldn't vote on him today, we will have info on him anyway if he's kept alive, so we should go somewhere else.
AllThingsPurple felt very genuine when he said he can't contribute much because it's D1. Not just genuine, but reasonable, especially in contrast to a bunch of players coming up with elaborate reads out of nowhere. Leaning town.
Launch / Hawthorn i was feeling scummy, he brought some intricate reads and stumbled a lot to justify them, but as he asked for a replacement specifically because of that, i will clean the slate and read null for now.
A Wild Ambulance Appears seems a bit uptight, as I think he would be when playing scum. Might be just because he doesn't know how to contribute though.
Aeleus and Faddy feel town to me, they have been giving good contributions that don't seem like they're worried about showing they're participating.
Ty4on is looking very scummy to me, town!ty in my experience would have been more engaged in scum hunting at this point, but instead his participation went from 0 to getting defensive. Plus town reading Sparks at this point is... Unusual. Another possible vote today.
And I think that's all for now.
Hi, Haw! Always a pleasure playing with you :) you aren't scum, are you??
This is the busiest D1 I've seen. Lots of discussions seemed to pop up really early and out of nowhere, which I have a hunch is scum activity. Town doesn't have a plan D1, they just get into the thread all happy because it's a new game and maybe they try some reads but nothing serious because they know there isn't much to analyze and that's okay. So I'm keeping an eye on some players i felt were wordy very early, like Monkey, nin, Feign, Launch/Haw.
Also caught my attention Dr. Monkey and TheChuggernaut town reading Ambulance a few hours in after he posted basically nothing. Ambulance is an easy town read to fake, easy place for scum to go.
nin Is feeling scummy to me, lots of discussions and reads that went nowhere, seems eager to show he is contributing but doesn't feel cohesive with what he's chasing. Also is very different from his town game I've seen. Wouldn't mind voting today.
Feign is hard to sort into an alignment right now because his play is very bold, and players like that have to be very consistent being scum or town or else they will be too easy to read. I do not understand why he's so eager to claim halfway through D1. Why do you think sharing that information now is beneficial to town, Feign? What I know is that i wouldn't vote on him today, we will have info on him anyway if he's kept alive, so we should go somewhere else.
AllThingsPurple felt very genuine when he said he can't contribute much because it's D1. Not just genuine, but reasonable, especially in contrast to a bunch of players coming up with elaborate reads out of nowhere. Leaning town.
Launch / Hawthorn i was feeling scummy, he brought some intricate reads and stumbled a lot to justify them, but as he asked for a replacement specifically because of that, i will clean the slate and read null for now.
A Wild Ambulance Appears seems a bit uptight, as I think he would be when playing scum. Might be just because he doesn't know how to contribute though.
Aeleus and Faddy feel town to me, they have been giving good contributions that don't seem like they're worried about showing they're participating.
Ty4on is looking very scummy to me, town!ty in my experience would have been more engaged in scum hunting at this point, but instead his participation went from 0 to getting defensive. Plus town reading Sparks at this point is... Unusual. Another possible vote today.
And I think that's all for now.
Hi, Haw! Always a pleasure playing with you :) you aren't scum, are you??
It's really not too hard to have a plan on D1 even if you're clueless townie.
I'm a little befuddled by the Feign role claim. I'm struggling to see the rationale of pulling that role claim as a neutral. He was already in a pretty good spot, so to me it just seems like bringing a whole bunch of heat down upon yourself for no reason.
Like think about this. He can vote once per day and defuse it if he's not feeling it. He's also got some night protection supposedly so scum might not be able to kill him. No warning to town PR's if they accidentally target him. I guess it could be a situation where only kills activate whatever he has, but then the hell is he trying to bait a role block/kill for? Why wouldn't you just vote near EoD and defuse yourself if you're really worried about accidentally blowing someone up you shouldn't while keeping quite. That's what I would expect the optimal play to be if you were town. How he's playing reads like he's not going for optimal, he's going for a body count.
Uuugghh, I can't blame you for this take, but I am currently still trying to play catch-up in this thread right now. My internet was down for a good chunk of today, I got distracted by other stuff, and I am still reading stuff people posted this morning. I still have six or seven pages to go before I'm caught up.
I did and I agree with the recent reads, I think he's a little off. I'm not sure if he's tense or just doesn't know how to contribute yet, though.
But I still feel the first town reads on him were forced.
Here and here:
Very early, when he had exactly one post about the game (briefly talking about Feign) and nothing else but fluff.
Yeah, those aren't town reads lol. That first post is saying I'm not worried about having to read him. The second is just saying what he normally does
tbf a big character reveal that leave the audience confused by a large amount of contradictory details is very metal gear.
I get the logic that eventually came out of this, but still what the hell lol.
Welcome to Mafiera please stay forever.
i appreciate the restraint but why would you want to ping me?
Okay, finally able to sit down and play today. Been reading along for the most part, so here's a few quick things that caught my attention.
First of all, welcome to all of our replacements! I hope everything is going well for those who had to step away.
Most recently regarding Feign, like most of you I originally Town read him based off of his early play, but with this role claim I'm really not sure. It sounds like a bit much, especially if there's also some sort of night action, too. The play just feels wrong though if he's a neutral, so I'm really not sure what to make of it.
Speaking of feeling wrong, there's something about the Ty4on/Chuggernaut back and forth that feels off to me. I wouldn't go so far as to say it was manufactured, but it felt like it escalated pretty quickly.
Sparks is feeling pretty good to me so far, but I can understand other people's reticence at keeping him around for the later portion of the game.
Jman has been a lot more quiet than I'm used to seeing, but when he was here I didn't get a scum vibe from him or his quick vote/unvote explanation.
And if there was anything else I noticed, it's faded from my mind, so it probably wasn't that important or noteworthy, lol.
First of all, welcome to all of our replacements! I hope everything is going well for those who had to step away.
Most recently regarding Feign, like most of you I originally Town read him based off of his early play, but with this role claim I'm really not sure. It sounds like a bit much, especially if there's also some sort of night action, too. The play just feels wrong though if he's a neutral, so I'm really not sure what to make of it.
Speaking of feeling wrong, there's something about the Ty4on/Chuggernaut back and forth that feels off to me. I wouldn't go so far as to say it was manufactured, but it felt like it escalated pretty quickly.
Sparks is feeling pretty good to me so far, but I can understand other people's reticence at keeping him around for the later portion of the game.
Jman has been a lot more quiet than I'm used to seeing, but when he was here I didn't get a scum vibe from him or his quick vote/unvote explanation.
And if there was anything else I noticed, it's faded from my mind, so it probably wasn't that important or noteworthy, lol.