Because they were on Kenny vote. I would need to look at when they unvoted. Before the claim or after.
I can tell you, I voted for Kenny after he claimed. Obviously when he sacrificed himself my vote was no longer valid.
Because they were on Kenny vote. I would need to look at when they unvoted. Before the claim or after.
Ok........the votes are still worth analyzing since he was town.I can tell you, I voted for Kenny after he claimed. Obviously when he sacrificed himself my vote was no longer valid.
Ok........the votes are still worth analyzing since he was town.
ok thanksYes of course, I was just letting you know when my vote occurred.
Monkey that was supposed to say scuminess lol.This is a really weird conversation in that... neither is at all correct about what actually happened?
Stan, chumminess never came into it, where do you get that? Nor is there a he said/he said. And nin? Vere is the mason. Zipped and HP are lovers, which was unconfirmed until HP came in and claimed his half, and the fact that they were lovers, and then this whole thing about maybe being one-sided, maybe not happened. They don't trust each other. The opposite of chumminess.
nin, what is the biggest fish to fry?
I don't see any reason to scumread you. Different game by far, too.idk i find it weird im being read as town by so many people while in eastenders i was close to lynch by now
Vote analysis is only gonna get us so far right now. It's hard to track connections to Chuggs because he purposely shut down and then open wolfed, which means votes on him mean little. And until we find team whatever, it's hard to tell between scum pushes and town towning.guess no1 looked at my vote tracking post
ah well
i probably was wrong with the numbering anyways
:blobpats
Scumminess makes a LOT more sense there than chumminess, okay.Monkey that was supposed to say scuminess lol.
And maybe he said she said was probably the wrong term to use, i was talking about how the issue is refering to play within their chat that we are unable to see and just have to take their word on.
How would I fake a claim when I have to worry about ~20 PRs that could call me out?
My motivation is astonishingly low. I'm waiting for that prime Kalor content to materialize. I don't understand how he goes from day end yesterday to today and chasing Vere and Kopite. I don't know what, if anything, Zeke is going to do with his vote colors, but I'd like to see something. I know I really don't want to spend more days centered on Zeke. There's a lot of rumbling about Fanto but no movement there at all. And the person I think I townread the most is... LP.
I just want to put my head on the desk.
I'm pretty sure eastenders LP just reposted other peoples reads and didnt come up with their own toughtsI dunno how to read LP, I thought his posts were good in Eastenders so now I just have no idea.
I cant really find any hardcore evidence for this scumI've grumbled a lot about Fanto but honestly there are so many big question marks above a whole bunch of players its hard to want to push on that rock now. Like I think Fanto could be scummy. I think she has coasted a lot on one post. But I also just don't believe in my gut that the claims are all true. I think one of vere and zeke are lying, I still feel iffy about Kalor and Leo too there is a strong case for.
I'd rather we look at multiple things rather than just push a zeke, idk it being the weekend is also lolI guess I could back off from all those names and try and find something else that pings me. It just feels like there are already multiple cans of worms open and I'm not sure going looking for another one is the best idea.
I'm pretty sure eastenders LP just reposted other peoples reads and didnt come up with their own toughts
I was on them but alas i couldnt follow up
trying to fix that in this game, but im still having a hard time with zeke
I cant really find any hardcore evidence for this scum
besides some posts about specing haw's role, and did they bring up the jailer side of it?
I saw some posts about that
I'd rather we look at multiple things rather than just push a zeke, idk it being the weekend is also lol
Leo
I can't help but notice that you call me out as someone to watch because of "her jailer theory" when it wasn't even my theory, I was only asking because maol and monkey had already floated it and I wanted to make sure I understood the role because it wasn't how I was thinking of commutes. When I'm spectating I shoot my stupid role questions at Loki but that's not an option when I'm playing so I had to ask it in the only place I could.
I'm torn though.
Was that an honest mistake, or am I just your next target?
Did you just... not read... your own post when you put it together and stuck a quote directly above mine that proved you were wrong, or did you just forget to remove that one when you decided I should be the next one you start that little nudge to undermine the way you started on Haw?
I can't help but feel a little suspicious that Leo is the one taking on the task of analysing what happened with Hawthorn and her claim when he is the one who has been undermining her for days.
She started out as his "top town" and then he starts dismantling her from then on.
And then he starts dismantling.
But come "Haw is different from her town self in this game"
"If Haw is scum she's patriots"
And ultimately she ends up part of "the same old scum list"
He positions himself as someone to analyse Hawthorn's towniness and basically damns her with praise and sets her up to get voted out as scum for not playing to an arbitrary standard because she's "a good solver" when she's town.
And then reiterates that he's sharing his meta knowledge.
There's even a bit of gaslighting that starts to sneak in there as he continues to insist that she's part of the "same group" being "scum read by everybody"
And that's she's one of the "most scum reaed people in this game rn"
And when he made his vote for Hawthorn he either misinterpretted or misrepresented part of what he was using to vote for her, just like he misrepresented that little nudge against me.
Take another look at that one.
"bad start"
"she doesn't understand"
"just very weak"
"I think she's better"
It's subtle, but he's pushed at her standard of play rather than any specific scumminess.
You know, if anything I am surprised that he backed off after the claim.
But by doing so, now he gets to look back and try and cast everyone else in a worse light for not doing so.
It's smart, really.
Push the train, get off it just in time to tell everyone else how obviously wrong they were and should have known better and maybe they did it on purpose.
And I'm digressing a little here, but you know what else he did?
He made an early move to discredit the Chuggs train.
Started the Ynnek vote because "We could use another option"
Agreed that Chuggs was being scummy and proclaimed him someone he was willing to vote out, but never actually voted for him.
And then take a look how he reacts to Chuggs taking off his mask.
Instant acceptance of the claim.
Rapid. Fire. Speculation.
Very specific. Almost as if he'd been waiting for a chance to vent.
Backs up a little when Vere hauls him up on going his assumptions but then goes back to it anyway.
... I think I do actually believe that Leo is genuine in scum hunting Vere and Kalor, I just don't think he's looking for them for the same reason as the rest of us.
It doesn't feel like he's looking for "scum" as much as it feels like he's looking for the opposing team.
Okay, let's be productive with it. Zeke dies. Flips scum. Who's a partner?And for the millionth time in this game, it looks like the Zeke won't be moving forward. I wonder why, what a lucky guy.
He isn't even trying, i try not to let mafia get on my nerves but it's aggravating to see how shamelessly lazy he has been the entire game. Look at all his posts D4, it's like he knows people won't manage to vote him out and is just laughing at us.
But I'm the one who is called out for not contributing, being vague in my pursues, scum read people who were town, etc. I'm gonna make a lab out of the next game i participate and just shit post and do nothing the entire game and see how far I can go.
Okay, let's be productive with it. Zeke dies. Flips scum. Who's a partner?
Zeke dies, flips town. Who's mafia?
Are you saying Zeke flipping scum doesn't change the game state at all for you or did you not do "if he's town, this is mafia?" I'm trying to follow you here.Patriots:
Chuggs
Maybe nin
Maybe Sparks
Non Patriots:
Zeke
Vere
Maybe you
I don't particularly scum read Kalor but I would consider him here
Feeling more null but suspicious: Fanto, Ephi
Would lunch because are absent and i can't read them: Kopite, Ephi
If Zeke flips scum it doesn't change much there, he hasnt done much besides defending himself so there isn't a lot of info.
Are you saying Zeke flipping scum doesn't change the game state at all for you or did you not do "if he's town, this is mafia?" I'm trying to follow you here.
What are you even goin on about? I spent the last day phase pushing who i thought was scum. So im suppose keep that energy all game.............for? I can't chill and take a break? You can call me a lot this game, but lazy isnt one of them.He isn't even trying, i try not to let mafia get on my nerves but it's aggravating to see how shamelessly lazy he has been the entire game. Look at all his posts D4, it's like he knows people won't manage to vote him out and is just laughing at us.
*truffleshuffle*I don't understand what you said here.
If Zeke flips scum, i will go back and look what happened everytime the votes on him were building but it died off. I will look at the first people saying his claim was good because it was simple (i remember Fanto).
If he flips town there isn't much to look at because he wasn't engaging with anyone except to defend himself. I don't remember a single read from Zeke in the game, honestly. I asked him early for a read in the most read scum players, and he answered me with "meh". What could I go look for?
it'd be nice if u have given me tht leavage in eastendersI said I would get to it 2mrw............if you don't like that, so be it.
Hi there still catching up but iv decuded to respond to stuff as i see it today.Vere, because I'm not comfortable with the fact that he didn't claim sleepwalker in his full claim, as town would be better off knowing that
Stan, and this is a little far fetched but I read this post by Zem
And then a couple of posts later I see Stan's avatar and I remember in one of his first posts he signs as Skull Face. I think he might have been the one who kicked Zipped out of his chat.
Did we hammer you or something?
nothing just me being tipsy
Hi there still catching up but iv decuded to respond to stuff as i see it today.
Stop making flavour arguments ya fuckin morons.
Skull face is my avatar because im a fan if his stupid overly dramatic monologues and his fucked up face fit perfectly with the behelit.
You targeted me? When?
Personally i reccomend it, its quite fun.Alright. I think I will chill and take a break from the game too. I've never lost my cool while playing mafia and i won't start now.
From what i remember i think Zeke was the only one who really made this argument so it just didnt get much traction, further i think we were still under the impression that the bombs would be a more immediate threat to town?- Can someone remind me why we chose to bring back jman, who has a role that can help the other scum team by defusing their bombs? Nothing against him, but the other town options had a non zero chance at finding/hindering scum.
You think we should doubt it now?- Remember when ATP soft claimed roleblock when we were wondering if Hawthorn was one too many roleblockers? Well Hawthorn was telling the truth.
From what i remember i think Zeke was the only one who really made this argument so it just didnt get much traction, further i think we were still under the impression that the bombs would be a more immediate threat to town?
You think we should doubt it now?
Do you think a scum ATP would soft this with Hawthorn already catching heat like that?
- Can someone remind me why we chose to bring back jman, who has a role that can help the other scum team by defusing their bombs? Nothing against him, but the other town options had a non zero chance at finding/hindering scum.
YepFrom what i remember i think Zeke was the only one who really made this argument so it just didnt get much traction, further i think we were still under the impression that the bombs would be a more immediate threat to town?
Not liking these posts at all. Let scum worry about Ynn. 23 ppl like 17~ PRs. Defuser isnt that important imo. Defuser has to do every person to win. They also have to hope scum team doesnt kill them, any of their targets and not get voted out. Doc > Defuser. Probably a few other roles that would be better to revive than a defuser as well.
Yes, the Patriots chuggs/bomber/poisoner team would be worried about him and are probably the ones that killed him.
The primary scum team wouldnt care about him, since Jman being alive can potentially save them by defusing the bombs on them. So primary scum team would want the ynn power wasted on a defuser.
Bomber is still alive
Chuggs team would want the bomber dead.
Primary team would want the bomber to be resurrected over another more useful town role(like a doc for example) because the defuser can help them(in case one of them gets a bomb put on them). An the defuser role doesnt really help town solve anything.
Kenny was more of a threat to the Primary scum team than anything. Now they didnt have to waste a night kill on him and got him to use his power on a harmless role that can possibly help them.
On that note, if zipped or HP flip scum look at the other. Zipped pinging Jman about HP having a bomb looked odd to me.
Question, why would the primary team do a daykill on jman?
They wouldn't because the defuser helps them as well.
Wait.............why didnt anyone suggest we resurrect the town vigilante Feign?
We didn't have very many alternatives to jman on Day 3. Feign (a day vigilante) was modkikled Day 1, we voted out Ty day 1, Night 1 kill was a neutral, day 2 we voted out Chuggs and jman was murdered. Night 2 there was no kill, and Day 3 Kenny was on the vote wagon and had to claim. So the only options were Ty, jman, and Feign. Ty was a legitimate choice, but no one really brought him up at the time and the bombs were fresh on all of our minds after Chuggernaut's flip.Couple thoughts I've had on my mind. May get around to elaborating tonight, else it'll wait until tomorrow.
- Leo, I had an earlier read where I said I didn't agree with some of his reads but they looked like independent town trying to solve. I still stand by that. It can look like he's misdirecting scum who knows more than he lets on, but being assertive but wrong can also do that.
- Can someone remind me why we chose to bring back jman, who has a role that can help the other scum team by defusing their bombs? Nothing against him, but the other town options had a non zero chance at finding/hindering scum.
- Remember when ATP soft claimed roleblock when we were wondering if Hawthorn was one too many roleblockers? Well Hawthorn was telling the truth.
We couldve...........not forced Ynn to use his power.We didn't have very many alternatives to jman on Day 3. Feign (a day vigilante) was modkikled Day 1, we voted out Ty day 1, Night 1 kill was a neutral, day 2 we voted out Chuggs and jman was murdered. Night 2 there was no kill, and Day 3 Kenny was on the vote wagon and had to claim. So the only options were Ty, jman, and Feign. Ty was a legitimate choice, but no one really brought him up at the time and the bombs were fresh on all of our minds after Chuggernaut's flip.
Yeah, I'm not proud of my reads so far in this gane, but I have no choice but to keep going and try to do better. In my defense, I wasn't the one asking him to claim.
Because living people hinder both teams. But I did think jman would actually play at some point.- Can someone remind me why we chose to bring back jman, who has a role that can help the other scum team by defusing their bombs? Nothing against him, but the other town options had a non zero chance at finding/hindering scum.
There was something different in ATP's claim that didn't make it seem like an abundance of roleblockers.I suppose he wouldn't. I guess ATP was like Sky, thinking they caught scum in a lie and getting a little too overeager.
Yes that may be hindsight speaking. I think HP was town read at the time and saving him and any future targets was a priority.
I suppose he wouldn't. I guess ATP was like Sky, thinking they caught scum in a lie and getting a little too overeager.