I can tell you, I voted for Kenny after he claimed. Obviously when he sacrificed himself my vote was no longer valid.
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I can tell you, I voted for Kenny after he claimed. Obviously when he sacrificed himself my vote was no longer valid.
Ok........the votes are still worth analyzing since he was town.
guess no1 looked at my vote tracking post
ah well
i probably was wrong with the numbering anyways
:blobpats
ah well
i probably was wrong with the numbering anyways
:blobpats
Yes of course, I was just letting you know when my vote occurred.
Monkey that was supposed to say scuminess lol.
And maybe he said she said was probably the wrong term to use, i was talking about how the issue is refering to play within their chat that we are unable to see and just have to take their word on.
I don't see any reason to scumread you. Different game by far, too.
Vote analysis is only gonna get us so far right now. It's hard to track connections to Chuggs because he purposely shut down and then open wolfed, which means votes on him mean little. And until we find team whatever, it's hard to tell between scum pushes and town towning.
Scumminess makes a LOT more sense there than chumminess, okay.
Do u mean the vanilla claim? You could have a passive role, you could have a ninja role, you could have a day role etc.
My motivation is astonishingly low. I'm waiting for that prime Kalor content to materialize. I don't understand how he goes from day end yesterday to today and chasing Vere and Kopite. I don't know what, if anything, Zeke is going to do with his vote colors, but I'd like to see something. I know I really don't want to spend more days centered on Zeke. There's a lot of rumbling about Fanto but no movement there at all. And the person I think I townread the most is... LP.
I just want to put my head on the desk.
I just want to put my head on the desk.
I'm partway through an ISO of Leo and I think I see why Monkey and Ephidel are saying that something is there. From Leo's second post he did a lot of casting doubt on both active posters and people who later flipped town. He was also very reluctant to vote for Chuggernaut, tried to undermine Monkey's credibility by emphasizing how meta her argument was, and actively worked to build up Kenny as an alternative wagon on Day 2, both by being the first to make a big deal about Kenny's read list and then voting there after Fanto did (while explicitly saying he wanted an alternative to Chuggernaut). When Kenny claimed, Leo immediately tried to discredit the claim too.
Leo has been making a lot of vague statements and leading questions along the lines of "a lot of people have been scum reading Kenny, what do you think of that?" and so forth. As I mentioned before, Leo has also been saying a lot of things to throw doubt at other players without really pursuing them actively. When Leo lists his top scum, it is usually a mix of inactive players such as Kopite with players who are easily scum read even when they are town such as Vere. However, a lot of his investigative inquiry is focused on role claims and such. It feels like his reads and his attention are at odds.
None of this is a smoking gun, but I'm coming around to the idea that Leo is the scummiest of the more vocal players right now.
Vote: Leo
Leo has been making a lot of vague statements and leading questions along the lines of "a lot of people have been scum reading Kenny, what do you think of that?" and so forth. As I mentioned before, Leo has also been saying a lot of things to throw doubt at other players without really pursuing them actively. When Leo lists his top scum, it is usually a mix of inactive players such as Kopite with players who are easily scum read even when they are town such as Vere. However, a lot of his investigative inquiry is focused on role claims and such. It feels like his reads and his attention are at odds.
None of this is a smoking gun, but I'm coming around to the idea that Leo is the scummiest of the more vocal players right now.
Vote: Leo
I dunno how to read LP, I thought his posts were good in Eastenders so now I just have no idea.
I've grumbled a lot about Fanto but honestly there are so many big question marks above a whole bunch of players its hard to want to push on that rock now. Like I think Fanto could be scummy. I think she has coasted a lot on one post. But I also just don't believe in my gut that the claims are all true. I think one of vere and zeke are lying, I still feel iffy about Kalor and Leo too there is a strong case for.
I guess I could back off from all those names and try and find something else that pings me. It just feels like there are already multiple cans of worms open and I'm not sure going looking for another one is the best idea.
I'm pretty sure eastenders LP just reposted other peoples reads and didnt come up with their own toughts
I was on them but alas i couldnt follow up
trying to fix that in this game, but im still having a hard time with zeke
I cant really find any hardcore evidence for this scum
besides some posts about specing haw's role, and did they bring up the jailer side of it?
I saw some posts about that
I'd rather we look at multiple things rather than just push a zeke, idk it being the weekend is also lol
My thing with zeke is, he came into eastenders and I specifically remember i did some vote analysis and basically said his votes (well they were stu's) were bad and he didn't just sort of weakly argue that it didn't prove he was scum. He dug in and fought back. Not just deflecting and I just don't see that here.
But honestly, if only one of zeke and vere were lying I'd probably say it was vere.
I did miss Maol's post before because i wasn't looking at his posts, i already had a lot to look at and he has already flipped. And you're right about Monkey having used the term "jailer" before you did, sorry.
But your post felt like summarizing Maol's and Monkey vague considerations and presenting the piece for town, let's say. It could be, like you explained, you just piecing together what had been thrown around to make sense of it for yourself, or you could be doing that for others, in which case you would be scum trying to shade Haw's claim as something bad for town.
That was a light read, though, i just felt i should point it as part of the progression. Would like to see you more active actually, to be able to read you better, cause i now i have no idea about you.
I was scum reading Haw like half the players were, does that make me scummy? Do you want to pull out everything other players have said about her too?
I scum read her for the reasons you summarized yourself, but when she claimed i believed because her claim was believable, and i think we will find scum shading that believable claim, hence why I made that post.
Haw makes an excellent claim while Zeke and Vere's were lacking, i believe Haw and move my vote off of her, but she gets voted out anyway while Zeke and Vere get off the hook, and I'm scummy? I don't see any logic in that.
And for the millionth time in this game, it looks like the Zeke won't be moving forward. I wonder why, what a lucky guy.
He isn't even trying, i try not to let mafia get on my nerves but it's aggravating to see how shamelessly lazy he has been the entire game. Look at all his posts D4, it's like he knows people won't manage to vote him out and is just laughing at us.
But I'm the one who is called out for not contributing, being vague in my pursues, scum read people who were town, etc. I'm gonna make a lab out of the next game i participate and just shit post and do nothing the entire game and see how far I can go.
He isn't even trying, i try not to let mafia get on my nerves but it's aggravating to see how shamelessly lazy he has been the entire game. Look at all his posts D4, it's like he knows people won't manage to vote him out and is just laughing at us.
But I'm the one who is called out for not contributing, being vague in my pursues, scum read people who were town, etc. I'm gonna make a lab out of the next game i participate and just shit post and do nothing the entire game and see how far I can go.
Okay, let's be productive with it. Zeke dies. Flips scum. Who's a partner?
Zeke dies, flips town. Who's mafia?
Patriots:
Chuggs
Maybe nin
Maybe Sparks
Non Patriots:
Zeke
Vere
Maybe you
I don't particularly scum read Kalor but I would consider him here
Feeling more null but suspicious: Fanto, Ephi
Would lunch because are absent and i can't read them: Kopite, Ephi
If Zeke flips scum it doesn't change much there, he hasnt done much besides defending himself so there isn't a lot of info.
Are you saying Zeke flipping scum doesn't change the game state at all for you or did you not do "if he's town, this is mafia?" I'm trying to follow you here.
I don't understand what you said here.
If Zeke flips scum, i will go back and look what happened everytime the votes on him were building but it died off. I will look at the first people saying his claim was good because it was simple (i remember Fanto).
If he flips town there isn't much to look at because he wasn't engaging with anyone except to defend himself. I don't remember a single read from Zeke in the game, honestly. I asked him early for a read in the most read scum players, and he answered me with "meh". What could I go look for?
What are you even goin on about? I spent the last day phase pushing who i thought was scum. So im suppose keep that energy all game.............for? I can't chill and take a break? You can call me a lot this game, but lazy isnt one of them.
I said I would get to it 2mrw............if you don't like that, so be it.
it'd be nice if u have given me tht leavage in eastenders
Hi there still catching up but iv decuded to respond to stuff as i see it today.
Stop making flavour arguments ya fuckin morons.
Skull face is my avatar because im a fan if his stupid overly dramatic monologues and his fucked up face fit perfectly with the behelit.
since its happening again and so many if you sounds so darmn certain about it ill ask again.
If Zeke is scum why did he throw out such an unnecessarily useless fake claim, thats probably the most concrete action hes taken in this game and as i see it it makes very little sense for scum in his position,
id seriously like an answer to it before i double down on what i said earlier about zeke being a target too easy to default to today.
vote: Leo
If Zeke is scum why did he throw out such an unnecessarily useless fake claim, thats probably the most concrete action hes taken in this game and as i see it it makes very little sense for scum in his position,
id seriously like an answer to it before i double down on what i said earlier about zeke being a target too easy to default to today.
You targeted me? When?
Personally i reccomend it, its quite fun.
vote: Leo
Couple thoughts I've had on my mind. May get around to elaborating tonight, else it'll wait until tomorrow.
- Leo, I had an earlier read where I said I didn't agree with some of his reads but they looked like independent town trying to solve. I still stand by that. It can look like he's misdirecting scum who knows more than he lets on, but being assertive but wrong can also do that.
- Can someone remind me why we chose to bring back jman, who has a role that can help the other scum team by defusing their bombs? Nothing against him, but the other town options had a non zero chance at finding/hindering scum.
- Remember when ATP soft claimed roleblock when we were wondering if Hawthorn was one too many roleblockers? Well Hawthorn was telling the truth.
- Leo, I had an earlier read where I said I didn't agree with some of his reads but they looked like independent town trying to solve. I still stand by that. It can look like he's misdirecting scum who knows more than he lets on, but being assertive but wrong can also do that.
- Can someone remind me why we chose to bring back jman, who has a role that can help the other scum team by defusing their bombs? Nothing against him, but the other town options had a non zero chance at finding/hindering scum.
- Remember when ATP soft claimed roleblock when we were wondering if Hawthorn was one too many roleblockers? Well Hawthorn was telling the truth.
From what i remember i think Zeke was the only one who really made this argument so it just didnt get much traction, further i think we were still under the impression that the bombs would be a more immediate threat to town?
But then i wasnt there for literally any of it so fuck if i know.
You think we should doubt it now?
Do you think a scum ATP would soft this with Hawthorn already catching heat like that?
Yes that may be hindsight speaking. I think HP was town read at the time and saving him and any future targets was a priority.
I suppose he wouldn't. I guess ATP was like Sky, thinking they caught scum in a lie and getting a little too overeager.
We didn't have very many alternatives to jman on Day 3. Feign (a day vigilante) was modkikled Day 1, we voted out Ty day 1, Night 1 kill was a neutral, day 2 we voted out Chuggs and jman was murdered. Night 2 there was no kill, and Day 3 Kenny was on the vote wagon and had to claim. So the only options were Ty, jman, and Feign. Ty was a legitimate choice, but no one really brought him up at the time and the bombs were fresh on all of our minds after Chuggernaut's flip.
Yeah, I'm not proud of my reads so far in this gane, but I have no choice but to keep going and try to do better. In my defense, I wasn't the one asking him to claim.
Because living people hinder both teams. But I did think jman would actually play at some point.
There was something different in ATP's claim that didn't make it seem like an abundance of roleblockers.
Jman has been a disappointing choice and boy I wouldn't mind feign's vig shot right about now.
But I don't regret pushing Kenny to use the power. He would have been constantly used by scum as an easy target to push. A town claim isn't any guarantee of anything, just ask Hawthorn.
Swapping a question mark in Kenny for a confirmed town I think was fine. Again it would be nice if our confirmed town didn't just sit in the back hiding.
I'm very same page with ATP here. Swapping a target for a confirm that can defuse is a good choice.
I also think that's another reason to vote Leo, btw. He's just contributing to someone's win condition right now.
I also think that's another reason to vote Leo, btw. He's just contributing to someone's win condition right now.
We are in a little stasis until we break something but I think what's dragging me down is the prospect of this game being mad long at this point, and people already checking out too.