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Nier: Automata Mafia - To serve mankind... up on a platter via vote.
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I gave you the list the very next three words of that post.
People are sticking to their meta because it's D1 and there isn't a ton to go off. It's easy to fall into a trap of pursuing meta only but I don't think that's what's happening here. I wouldn't say the "defenses" seen so far have been really out of line with past games I've been in and read. I feel like Sneeks articulated this better than I am right now, my brain is running on empty, but I agree with her assessment.
Also, you're kinda lumping in all these individual points on different players together as if it's all the same players defending them when I know that isn't the case.
Yeah LP is kind of tornado of shade throwing right now, and I don't really know what to make of that
I am too tired to deal with this Sparks stuff right now. I pretend I do not see it.
I'm going to bed.
I'm going to bed.
I went back over the post. You're right, it was an incomplete thought. I was thinking of how you got eliminated night 1, but didn't follow through with the thread there.
alright so sparks claiming doctor is strange....will give them a TR for now...
either they are going to get RB all game or...
on LP shading the thread, i dont think scum!LP will do that, I would like to see more in terms of a vote from them
people are posting lists now which is fine...
Ephidel do you scum read me still and if not what made u change ur mind and if u still do why arnt u voting for me?
Sawneeks why do you have me as ??? and not have me in ur scum list
anexanhume what more will you want to see from cherise cat and
either they are going to get RB all game or...
on LP shading the thread, i dont think scum!LP will do that, I would like to see more in terms of a vote from them
people are posting lists now which is fine...
Ephidel do you scum read me still and if not what made u change ur mind and if u still do why arnt u voting for me?
Sawneeks why do you have me as ??? and not have me in ur scum list
anexanhume what more will you want to see from cherise cat and
uhhhh
LP been posting ...well i guess they are tied for last still
what does this mean?
OP
OP
Okay meta is meta... I guess that explains why 4 people have 2 votes each and half of those are still from the joke phase.
Maybe I just miss the days when I'd be up for being eliminated on day 1 for not posting.
Maybe I just miss the days when I'd be up for being eliminated on day 1 for not posting.
Anyway did a read through most of the players here and nothing really stands out except maybe Zeke having 46 posts almost exclusively full of gifs and neutral talk.
Good. Someone read the whole post. That particular read was pretty overwrought, but it afforded me a direct interaction with a player whom I am unfamiliar with.
Ephi tends to engage with others based on their ideas rather than propose her own early on. It's why I was SRing her early on. I've seen plenty of scum just agree to death with town before.
Anything of substance, really. The player is new to me and I don't have much to go on. They're engaging more than the absentees, but there's not much meat on those bones yet.
I'm about to go to bed and a bit drunk, but checking in as I work all day tomorrow and it's one of those days when I have to actually work while I'm at work, i.e. I cannot check mafia. I expect to be able to check in & be active a bit before EoD, but don't expect any long manifestos or ISOs from me, not that they would amount to much but I do them. I always say that I'm bad at D1, but nobody ever believes me, I just get scum read for "weak reads" when others, not to name names, can get away with barely playing.
Hope to god that Sparks's claim isn't real, since he's just torpedoed a very useful town role for no reason if so, but I have the sinking feeling that it maybe is. When I said to read your role, I meant silently! Just inside your head! Anyway I wouldn't vote there today any longer.
Sawneeks's recent posts have made me see things from a fresh perspective, would now put her at a slight town lean.
Share the concern over LP's generalized suspicion. Particularly his "everyone's too chummy" thing which he's now doubled down on. This is bad because he's not directing his suspicion, not explaining why certain players are particularly too trusting in a suspicious way, just releasing a general cloud of "things feel suspicious, let's encourage an atmosphere of distrust and paranoia". Classic mafia behavior.
The case on anex -- I can kind of see it. Only kind of. He was in my PoE, but it feels attenuated, and a bit jumping on his unusual style i.e. not performing the stereotype of "town" behavior. Will reread him if by some miracle I have time tomorrow, and would vote for him vs anyone outside of my voting pool.
Also I did not like these comments by anex:
When you comment on someone's argument that is supporting their read, you're commenting on their read. This comment reads like struggling hard to get out of admitting that you were commenting on C4's read of Sawneeks. Not sure I buy Sawneeks's original case, but do not like this response.
WTF?
You get that I can't actually affect whether I roll mafia by hoping, right?
Hope to god that Sparks's claim isn't real, since he's just torpedoed a very useful town role for no reason if so, but I have the sinking feeling that it maybe is. When I said to read your role, I meant silently! Just inside your head! Anyway I wouldn't vote there today any longer.
Sawneeks's recent posts have made me see things from a fresh perspective, would now put her at a slight town lean.
Share the concern over LP's generalized suspicion. Particularly his "everyone's too chummy" thing which he's now doubled down on. This is bad because he's not directing his suspicion, not explaining why certain players are particularly too trusting in a suspicious way, just releasing a general cloud of "things feel suspicious, let's encourage an atmosphere of distrust and paranoia". Classic mafia behavior.
The case on anex -- I can kind of see it. Only kind of. He was in my PoE, but it feels attenuated, and a bit jumping on his unusual style i.e. not performing the stereotype of "town" behavior. Will reread him if by some miracle I have time tomorrow, and would vote for him vs anyone outside of my voting pool.
Also I did not like these comments by anex:
When you comment on someone's argument that is supporting their read, you're commenting on their read. This comment reads like struggling hard to get out of admitting that you were commenting on C4's read of Sawneeks. Not sure I buy Sawneeks's original case, but do not like this response.
WTF?
You get that I can't actually affect whether I roll mafia by hoping, right?
it dosnt matter what sparks is
we dont need roles to win
this is a bastard game and loki will 100% lie to us, our roles are about as useful as a blind donkey on a boat
why don't you put a vote down
Two problems here. First, I was challenging c4's logic in the post but end up with him on my town list later, so I wasn't trying to make a greater point on him or his read in that particular post. Second, I clarified that Sawneeks was right in that I shouldn't have included the second part of the quote since it was immaterial to the content of my reply.
That makes two that read the whole thing so far.
LOL that you think that's where that was going. The point is that in seems to be in your personality to embrace a scum role. As such, I'd expect you to be particularly engaged in doing so, unlike most of scum last game. That's simply what I'll be paying attention to going forward. Trying to get true SR D1 is fairly hopeless, and that post was mostly meant to encourage participation from the tardy so far. The simple truth is that if we let low post count players survive into later days, they're eventually going to get SR for it anyway, and at a time when we have much more of a vote record to go off to make intelligent decisions at that point. Town circled back to and from HP several times doing that and it was maddening to watch.
Not sure I agree with you about roles, but sure I'll put a vote down since I'll be sporadically available
vote: EvilChameleon
I would still also vote for you, Chuggs, neki, or anex, as of now.
You're right that you did say the second part was a mistake, I missed that. Still feel like the line you're drawning between c4's logic and his read is a distinction without a difference.
Thanks for clarifying. Still don't get why it's your explanation for putting me on your null list, but I hear you on wanting to encourage participation.
Took another look at this
Full disclosure I don't think this read makes much sense. I think it's reading way too much into something that could've been as benign as quoting a second post and forgetting to reply to it.
I think it does show a gut reflex to being TMI'd, though. The distance she travels with this assumption in her thoughts looks simultaneously more nuanced and matter-of-fact than I imagine it would if it were a fake read, and it's an inherently town perspective, and archetype-wise so far she doesn't seem like someone to fake this read. I'd be pretty impressed if Sneeks were a wolf.
Thanks. Feels exciting. Still have to go through the interview though.
Ok. So I guess we are up to two claims now. I'm willing to let this one slide because claiming doctor is usually risky, and I wouldn't imagine scum risking so much on day 1.
My reads so far:
Leaning town:
- Random
- c4
- HP
- Funky (but jsut for that claim)
Neutral
- Chugg
- Maol
- Sneeks
- EC
- Hawthorn
Confirmed neutral?
- Sorian
No idea because of low activity:
- Stantastic
- Jman
- Neki
No idea in general
- Zeke
But I was commenting on an exchange between c4 and Sorian. Neither directly mentioned Sawneeks. I was simply thinking of her since she got eliminated N1 (but I think that was redirected, so maybe not even necessarily applicable, LOL).
That's kinda where I am at with it. Had she been under pressure at the time, I would have probably looked at it differently. It feels too earnest, even if misguided.
The problem of missing out on many games is that you don't have any knowledge of meta and player behaviours.
Rereading the thread so far, Ephi doesn't seem like leaning towards scum. Her posts seem genuine enough. Her remarking about us dissecting Fate's post (Yes, I'm that far behind, sue me), looks like a good (if short) analysis.
Rereading the thread so far, Ephi doesn't seem like leaning towards scum. Her posts seem genuine enough. Her remarking about us dissecting Fate's post (Yes, I'm that far behind, sue me), looks like a good (if short) analysis.
the way you're sandbagging this is making me feel like i'm crazy.
so follow through on this thread here because at the moment it just sounds like you're admitting to PR hunting.
because there's a gut feeling that you're town just getting flak for a weird post early on D1 and nothing more.
that thought did cross my mind when reading it over a few times but i knew i'd kick myself if i didn't say anything and anex ends up flipping wolf.
Slowly rereading the thread, but had to comment on this.
I actually agree. Rereading that part, it seems that Fate making comments based on who is atround is a regular thing. Plus, he did mention that he was tired and (getting a bit meta here), making comments based on who is around is something that I also do from time to time.
For the time being, I'm willing to place Fate in a neutral read.
Onwards with the reread.
I'm really struggling to see how you think I'm role hunting. If I'm role hunting, I'll either ask directly for everyone's benefit, or read context in the thread. I don't like the idea of subtlety when you've probably got four scum to discuss something in private. Either everyone in town should know it, or no one should. As you can imagine, I'm not a big fan of breadcrumbing either. I may feel clever if other town pick up on it, but it's just as likely, if not more so, scum are picking up on it too. Maybe someone will figure it out due to night actions, but either you share with the class or keep it to yourself. I'm not asking anyone to share nor am I offering mine. And no, outing yourself as doctor day 1 isn't some galaxy brain play, either.
it's not direct role hunting as in asking someone upfront about their power. i'm saying the responses you gave to c4 read to me as if you've been reading through the thread and keeping an eye on people you think might be PRs and making a note of it. You're not out-right saying it but it's coming up in other ways, i.e. your quote(s) and response to c4, "being glaringly obvious town means you get killed N1. you dont want that if you're a powerful town role." instead of, yknow, anything else, you focus on that piece. to me that says this topic is on your mind and is something you're actively considering.
the why is what im mulling over. i did half expect you to come back and say it was a misquote but that wasnt your immediate response to it and im not entirely sure how to read that.
either way
Unvote
for now. i want to think over what anex has said since, hey, it's possible im reading too much into it all. plus i appreciate humoring me in spelling it out. he's also done a lot more than many other people in this thread and i really dont want to remove loud voices today.
Unvote
for now. i want to think over what anex has said since, hey, it's possible im reading too much into it all. plus i appreciate humoring me in spelling it out. he's also done a lot more than many other people in this thread and i really dont want to remove loud voices today.
Okay, but that's not controversial? Everyone knows it behooves scum to eliminate those they can't cast suspicion on.
And me saying that should show it's completely logical I think people with PR shouldn't be forthcoming. So why would I be fishing for that?
Notice that I didn't direct that comment at anyone specifically. It would be poor form of me to put someone on the spot.
I asked HP directly because he was scum last game and appeared to hate it. Me asking him his comfort level this game was about alignment, not PR.
Looking back, LP has again just kind of ignored Chuggs as one of the 'defends people too much' folks. Chuggs' also noted it earlier so unsure if w/w but, hey, it's there.
LP why all the snark if it just lead to you having no reads except for zeke being a meme.
Which I think is where we're disagreeing imo. quoting c4's read of me in that response feels like it indirectly points that in my direction. you're saying that was completely unintentional whereas i feel like it was a subconcious slip. but the more we talk the less im convinced of it. :u
Vote: Stantastic
mentioned earlier but stan's game has been nothing. i'm hoping his posts over the next few hours can give a better picture of him and i can reassess in the morning. I'll be around for a bit longer then im getting some sleep.
mentioned earlier but stan's game has been nothing. i'm hoping his posts over the next few hours can give a better picture of him and i can reassess in the morning. I'll be around for a bit longer then im getting some sleep.
I don't like these posts. The woe is me portion feels like frustrated scum, which I get it, I've been there, but I'm also not falling for it. The LP and the Anex read in the first one are the big red flags for me. The LP portion feels like a genuine scum read, but despite being someone who she's scum reading she only kind of sees the case on Anex?
And then we go down to the second post and Anex is on her would vote for list, while LP is nowhere to be seen?
And again, I have no clue why Thorny is scum reading the people she's scum reading. It feels like she's hoping if she says the names enough, people will fill in the blanks themselves. My vote is staying where it is.
Stan is going to show up with some real obvious town shit any second now. Just got to wait on it
cant wait for him to show up and cuss everyone out for scum/null reading him
feel like these posts still cover a lot of where i am rn but what do you want to know, chuggs. ask away.
i lied and got sidetracked by other ISOs
Neon;
congrats and good luck on the PhD program btw.
Not much here, putting out thoughts unprompted which is good but is more-or-less going with the flow of conversations. light town, i guess? c4 used the term 'easy play' earlier and i'd say that applies to neon. it feels pure tho.
stan;
would yeet off the island.
EC;
would yeet off the island but he has more than stan and within his meta so it's a less forceful yeet.
neki;
anyone who says neki isn't giving reads this d1 isnt reading imo. some reads sprinkled here and there that arent much to note but that design speculation is a big ol 'oof'. i dont know if it's a scummy 'oof' though? scum!neki getting nervous and trying to be more present in the face of loud town? maaaaybe???? put neki in the 'unsure' pile.
LP;
there's a decent amount of shade being thrown at people from the majority of LP's posts but they aren't pointed about whether or not he thinks the person in question is scum. a good town!LP tell is if he is being snarky AND posting original thoughts/reads even if he doesn't push them. so far the original ideas/thoughts part is severely lacking and he's just taking potshots from the shadows instead of anything meaningful.
would yeet with force.
Ephi;
reminds me of how i'd play scum by asking a shit ton of questions and only sprinkle some thoughts into my posts but not shake it up, yknow. however, i think that's my fear talking as i don't see anything scummy about ephi's posts....they're just fine. but just a vanilla fine. light town i guess??
Hawthorn;
used the word 'belabor' in a serious context. would yeet.
joking aside, she's in the same spot as Ephi for me. nothing immediately sets off any alarms but i wouldn't jump and call her town, either. I didn't like the early read on Fate where she essentially calls him scum but backs down and nulls reads him instead (#542). something to consider if fate ends up being scum.
Eh, that about covers it actually. Did you get a chance to reread Cheshire?
i skimmed their posts but didn't really see much. their first big reads list i remember disagreeing with their conclusions but it felt more like rusty town play than anything nefarious. im not against voting there today but would rather aim elsewhere.
what's your read on em?
actually, think i'd move zeke down to the 'would vote' area and move sparks and neon up to 'would not vote'
Yeah, that was kind of my read on her as well. Feels like some weird conclusions, but I can see the gears turning and it feels more like off town than scum
What moved me from "wouldnt vote unless there is a damn good reason" to "would vote"?
Ok. I'm starting to see the divide between Chuggs' and Hawthorn's posts. Still got 2 pages to go. But given the time, I'll probably get to them tomorrow.