Police detain nine people over beheading of French teacher in Paris suburb

[DiipuSurotu]

Nine people have been arrested over the beheading of a French school teacher in a Paris suburb on Friday. The suspect, shot dead by police shortly after the attack, was an 18-year-old Chechen, according to an AFP source.

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The man suspected of beheading the teacher who showed his students cartoons of the prophet Mohammed was an 18-year-old Moscow-born Chechen, a source told AFP on Saturday, in an act the President Emmanuel Macron described as an "Islamist terror attack".

Nine people were detained on Friday over the murder, including the parents of a child at the school where the teacher was working, said the source, who asked not to be named.

According to the source, the two detained parents had signalled their disagreement with the teacher's decision to show the cartoons. Others detained for questioning are members of the suspect's social circle but not family members.

The assailant was shot by police and later died of his injuries.

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Reporting from the scene of the attack, FRANCE 24's Julia Kim said the teacher had recently given a class on secularism and the controversy surrounding the publication of cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed by satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo.

The teacher reportedly "asked his Muslim students to leave the room because he was going to show some cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed that could have caused offence," Kim said, adding that this had angered some parents.

"According to my son, he was super nice, super friendly, super kind," the parent, Nordine Chaouadi, told AFP. The teacher "simply said to the Muslim children: 'Leave, I don't want it to hurt your feelings.' That's what my son told me," the parent said.

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[Video Games Are Dumb]

Ya know, I've been following this story and frankly, the way France views Muslims, I believe, causes these attacks to occur more frequently.
We (the americans) have this view of france as a nation of tolerance. But it's not. And that can make people more susceptible to extremist outreach.

Obviously, I would never excuse the brutal murder of a man for showing a cartoon. And his teaching methods were pretty fucking horrible. But this is a much deeper problem for France. And honestly, I'm feeling for the Muslims there now just trying to go to work and have a normal life on top of Covid and now this.

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[Dullahan]

We're already victim blaming? Fuck this.

 

[Herb Alpert]

Ya know, I've been following this story and frankly, the way France views Muslims, I believe, causes these attacks to occur more frequently.
We (the americans) have this view of france as a nation of tolerance. But it's not. And that can make people more susceptible to extremist outreach.

Obviously, I would never excuse the brutal murder of a man for showing a cartoon. And his teaching methods were pretty fucking horrible. But this is a much deeper problem for France. And honestly, I'm feeling for the Muslims there now just trying to go to work and have a normal life on top of Covid and now this.

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No. This caricature shit has been going on for 20 years. These are drawings in a free speech country. No one has to die from this.
There are other issues, social integration, poverty, ghettos obviously. But it is a different matter.
Here is a gruesome murder of a man that was doing his job because of dubious religious motives by a lunatic.
Don't blame the victim please.

 

[Camwi]

Ya know, I've been following this story and frankly, the way France views Muslims, I believe, causes these attacks to occur more frequently.
We (the americans) have this view of france as a nation of tolerance. But it's not. And that can make people more susceptible to extremist outreach.

Obviously, I would never excuse the brutal murder of a man for showing a cartoon. And his teaching methods were pretty fucking horrible. But this is a much deeper problem for France. And honestly, I'm feeling for the Muslims there now just trying to go to work and have a normal life on top of Covid and now this.

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Fuck off with this bullshit.

 

[Deleted member 60410]

Ya know, I've been following this story and frankly, the way France views Muslims, I believe, causes these attacks to occur more frequently.
We (the americans) have this view of france as a nation of tolerance. But it's not. And that can make people more susceptible to extremist outreach.

Obviously, I would never excuse the brutal murder of a man for showing a cartoon. And his teaching methods were pretty fucking horrible. But this is a much deeper problem for France. And honestly, I'm feeling for the Muslims there now just trying to go to work and have a normal life on top of Covid and now this.

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Shut the fuck up.

 

[Vector]

Ya know, I've been following this story and frankly, the way France views Muslims, I believe, causes these attacks to occur more frequently.
We (the americans) have this view of france as a nation of tolerance. But it's not. And that can make people more susceptible to extremist outreach.

Obviously, I would never excuse the brutal murder of a man for showing a cartoon. And his teaching methods were pretty fucking horrible. But this is a much deeper problem for France. And honestly, I'm feeling for the Muslims there now just trying to go to work and have a normal life on top of Covid and now this.

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How about we fight religious extremism (regardless of the religion) in general instead of pretending it doesn't exist or placating the people who push it?

 

[Musician]

Ya know, I've been following this story and frankly, the way France views Muslims, I believe, causes these attacks to occur more frequently.
We (the americans) have this view of france as a nation of tolerance. But it's not. And that can make people more susceptible to extremist outreach.

Obviously, I would never excuse the brutal murder of a man for showing a cartoon. And his teaching methods were pretty fucking horrible. But this is a much deeper problem for France. And honestly, I'm feeling for the Muslims there now just trying to go to work and have a normal life on top of Covid and now this.

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This ain't it, man. Wow.

 

[Lebron]

Ya know, I've been following this story and frankly, the way France views Muslims, I believe, causes these attacks to occur more frequently.
We (the americans) have this view of france as a nation of tolerance. But it's not. And that can make people more susceptible to extremist outreach.

Obviously, I would never excuse the brutal murder of a man for showing a cartoon. And his teaching methods were pretty fucking horrible. But this is a much deeper problem for France. And honestly, I'm feeling for the Muslims there now just trying to go to work and have a normal life on top of Covid and now this.

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Victim blaming 101 folks

"this is a terrible tragedy, but"

 

[nasuknight]

Every time we take a step forward in society, we jump back twice over. How difficult is it to demonstrate a level of decency? Nothing but god damn chimpanzees.

 

[Baphomet]

Ya know, I've been following this story and frankly, the way France views Muslims, I believe, causes these attacks to occur more frequently.
We (the americans) have this view of france as a nation of tolerance. But it's not. And that can make people more susceptible to extremist outreach.

Obviously, I would never excuse the brutal murder of a man for showing a cartoon. And his teaching methods were pretty fucking horrible. But this is a much deeper problem for France. And honestly, I'm feeling for the Muslims there now just trying to go to work and have a normal life on top of Covid and now this.

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Dude....

 

[T-Virus]

Ya know, I've been following this story and frankly, the way France views Muslims, I believe, causes these attacks to occur more frequently.
We (the americans) have this view of france as a nation of tolerance. But it's not. And that can make people more susceptible to extremist outreach.

Obviously, I would never excuse the brutal murder of a man for showing a cartoon. And his teaching methods were pretty fucking horrible. But this is a much deeper problem for France. And honestly, I'm feeling for the Muslims there now just trying to go to work and have a normal life on top of Covid and now this.

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Only took 1 reply.

 

[Isilia]

Absolutely terrible thing they did. I hope they enjoy their time in jail.

 

[Menchi]

Ya know, I've been following this story and frankly, the way France views Muslims, I believe, causes these attacks to occur more frequently.
We (the americans) have this view of france as a nation of tolerance. But it's not. And that can make people more susceptible to extremist outreach.

Obviously, I would never excuse the brutal murder of a man for showing a cartoon. And his teaching methods were pretty fucking horrible. But this is a much deeper problem for France. And honestly, I'm feeling for the Muslims there now just trying to go to work and have a normal life on top of Covid and now this.

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Really...

And with the double down edit?!

 

[Merrill]

Ya know, I've been following this story and frankly, the way France views Muslims, I believe, causes these attacks to occur more frequently.
We (the americans) have this view of france as a nation of tolerance. But it's not. And that can make people more susceptible to extremist outreach.

Obviously, I would never excuse the brutal murder of a man for showing a cartoon. And his teaching methods were pretty fucking horrible. But this is a much deeper problem for France. And honestly, I'm feeling for the Muslims there now just trying to go to work and have a normal life on top of Covid and now this.

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Seriously what kind of bullshit take is this?

 

[subpar spatula]

The parents involved need to be questioned. Like, if they were in any part influential in this then they need to be brought to justice.

 

[krazen]

Good. An 18 year old doesn't sip a coke and become indoctrinated, someone knew something and could have helped planned it. That said, hopefully these arrests are legit and not just 'round everyone up to make it look like we are doing something'.

 

[Linus815]

Ya know, I've been following this story and frankly, the way France views Muslims, I believe, causes these attacks to occur more frequently.
We (the americans) have this view of france as a nation of tolerance. But it's not. And that can make people more susceptible to extremist outreach.

Obviously, I would never excuse the brutal murder of a man for showing a cartoon. And his teaching methods were pretty fucking horrible. But this is a much deeper problem for France. And honestly, I'm feeling for the Muslims there now just trying to go to work and have a normal life on top of Covid and now this.

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This Post Is Dumb

and there's no nuance to what you're saying

 

[Praxis]

First post and already an embarrassment

 

[Baphomet]

Ya know, I've been following this story and frankly, the way France views Muslims, I believe, causes these attacks to occur more frequently.
We (the americans) have this view of france as a nation of tolerance. But it's not. And that can make people more susceptible to extremist outreach.

Obviously, I would never excuse the brutal murder of a man for showing a cartoon. And his teaching methods were pretty fucking horrible. But this is a much deeper problem for France. And honestly, I'm feeling for the Muslims there now just trying to go to work and have a normal life on top of Covid and now this.

Edit: ERA versus Nuance - Fight!!

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Your post sucked dude , just get over it.

 

[andymcc]

Ya know, I've been following this story and frankly, the way France views Muslims, I believe, causes these attacks to occur more frequently.
We (the americans) have this view of france as a nation of tolerance. But it's not. And that can make people more susceptible to extremist outreach.

Obviously, I would never excuse the brutal murder of a man for showing a cartoon. And his teaching methods were pretty fucking horrible. But this is a much deeper problem for France. And honestly, I'm feeling for the Muslims there now just trying to go to work and have a normal life on top of Covid and now this.

Edit: ERA versus Nuance - Fight!!

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What an edit— "nuance". Lmao

 

[DiipuSurotu]

Absolutely terrible thing they did. I hope they enjoy their time in jail.

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The murderer is dead. But there might be accomplices yes.

 

[Deleted member 81119]

Ya know, I've been following this story and frankly, the way France views Muslims, I believe, causes these attacks to occur more frequently.
We (the americans) have this view of france as a nation of tolerance. But it's not. And that can make people more susceptible to extremist outreach.

Obviously, I would never excuse the brutal murder of a man for showing a cartoon. And his teaching methods were pretty fucking horrible. But this is a much deeper problem for France. And honestly, I'm feeling for the Muslims there now just trying to go to work and have a normal life on top of Covid and now this.

Edit: ERA versus Nuance - Fight!!

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Since when did nuance mean both siding a brutal murder?

The issues you've raised absolutely are issues in France. But they are not the cause of this situation so please don't victim blame.

 

[Betty]

Ya know, I've been following this story and frankly, the way France views Muslims, I believe, causes these attacks to occur more frequently.
We (the americans) have this view of france as a nation of tolerance. But it's not. And that can make people more susceptible to extremist outreach.

Obviously, I would never excuse the brutal murder of a man for showing a cartoon. And his teaching methods were pretty fucking horrible. But this is a much deeper problem for France. And honestly, I'm feeling for the Muslims there now just trying to go to work and have a normal life on top of Covid and now this.

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So a guy gets beheaded but you're feeling for the Muslims and not him or his family, and while you say you're definitely not making excuses for his death you then go on to suggest excuses anyway.

I don't see any issue with his teaching methods, especially as he politely asked his Muslim students to leave the room to not offend them.

I do see issue with religious fuckwads like the terrorist in this case ruining people's lives because they can't handle their made up superstitions being insulted. And that goes for every religion and belief

 

[SirMossyBloke]

Ya know, I've been following this story and frankly, the way France views Muslims, I believe, causes these attacks to occur more frequently.
We (the americans) have this view of france as a nation of tolerance. But it's not. And that can make people more susceptible to extremist outreach.

Obviously, I would never excuse the brutal murder of a man for showing a cartoon. And his teaching methods were pretty fucking horrible. But this is a much deeper problem for France. And honestly, I'm feeling for the Muslims there now just trying to go to work and have a normal life on top of Covid and now this.

Edit: ERA versus Nuance - Fight!!

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Nuance lmao. Stop parroting words you've seen on the internet. This is straight victim blaming.

 

[Isilia]

The murderer is dead. Dunno about possible accomplices though.

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Yeah, I read that. I did mean the ones still alive.

 

[GMM]

Ya know, I've been following this story and frankly, the way France views Muslims, I believe, causes these attacks to occur more frequently.
We (the americans) have this view of france as a nation of tolerance. But it's not. And that can make people more susceptible to extremist outreach.

Obviously, I would never excuse the brutal murder of a man for showing a cartoon. And his teaching methods were pretty fucking horrible. But this is a much deeper problem for France. And honestly, I'm feeling for the Muslims there now just trying to go to work and have a normal life on top of Covid and now this.

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Nah, fuck off with that shit, the very ability to show off these drawings is a fundamental right as freedom of speech, don't victim blame. The problem is not the drawings or the teacher wanting to show them, it's the religious extremists that want to deny that freedom of speech by way of violence.

 

[Brhoom]

I hope they behead the one who did it and broadcast it live, make an example out of him.

Also the last sentence of the first reply gave it away that they are trolling.

 

[Deleted member 8166]

Ya know, I've been following this story and frankly, the way France views Muslims, I believe, causes these attacks to occur more frequently.
We (the americans) have this view of france as a nation of tolerance. But it's not. And that can make people more susceptible to extremist outreach.

Obviously, I would never excuse the brutal murder of a man for showing a cartoon. And his teaching methods were pretty fucking horrible. But this is a much deeper problem for France. And honestly, I'm feeling for the Muslims there now just trying to go to work and have a normal life on top of Covid and now this.

Edit: ERA versus Nuance - Fight!!

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Victim blaming. Really.

 

[Ikuu]

You guys are wasting your time replying to a troll, just report it and ignore them.

 

[Cassius Bright]

Ya know, I've been following this story and frankly, the way France views Muslims, I believe, causes these attacks to occur more frequently.
We (the americans) have this view of france as a nation of tolerance. But it's not. And that can make people more susceptible to extremist outreach.

Obviously, I would never excuse the brutal murder of a man for showing a cartoon. And his teaching methods were pretty fucking horrible. But this is a much deeper problem for France. And honestly, I'm feeling for the Muslims there now just trying to go to work and have a normal life on top of Covid and now this.

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This is a garbage, garbage post.

 

[Herb Alpert]

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There is no nuance here. You're mixing things.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

You guys are wasting your time replying to a troll, just report it and ignore them.

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6,000+ posts. I think they're serious, which is scary.

 

[krazen]

Ya know, I've been following this story and frankly, the way France views Muslims, I believe, causes these attacks to occur more frequently.
We (the americans) have this view of france as a nation of tolerance. But it's not. And that can make people more susceptible to extremist outreach.

Obviously, I would never excuse the brutal murder of a man for showing a cartoon. And his teaching methods were pretty fucking horrible. But this is a much deeper problem for France. And honestly, I'm feeling for the Muslims there now just trying to go to work and have a normal life on top of Covid and now this.

Edit: ERA versus Nuance - Fight!!

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Ehh, you can make the argument that France marginalizes a shitload of communities leading to a cycle of poverty in many of its ghettos, but that ain't walking up to a school and chopping a dudes head off. It was an senseless act of terror, not a cash friendly black market industry.

 

[Mivey]

And his teaching methods were pretty fucking horrible.

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He even asked people to leave if they are offended, but still bravely went ahead to show the pictures. He paid dearly with his life.
For someone asking for nuance, that's a pretty brain-hared way of describing the victims actions

 

[Chiaroscuro]

I have to say that if you follow a religion that considers something an insult/blasphemy that is ok and expected for you to respect that. You should not, however, expect non-followers to do the same. You may criticize other people behaviors but that is.

We live in a society that expect everyone respect others. But the crash of arguments never should result in violence.

Again if you follow a religion and that religion (or just a branch of religion, I am not trying to englobe every Muslim here) preaches violence against who not follow it (or even to who follows it but not to a strict sense) then you have a problem and a problem of such teaching/religion.

 

[Westbahnhof]

And his teaching methods were pretty fucking horrible.

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And honestly, I'm feeling for the Muslims there now just trying to go to work and have a normal life on top of Covid and now this.

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Man, those two lines so close to each other. Fucked up.

 

[nasuknight]

6,000+ posts. I think they're serious, which is scary.

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At this stage I'm more concerned over the 30+ Balkanised posts screaming over a comment that should have been shut down by 1 - and moved on.

 

[HumanRevolution]

Seems like the parents and other people conspired against the teacher (who told Muslims to leave the classroom while showing the pictures, as far as I understand it).

Shit is fucked up and fucks up freedom of speech and art.

 

[Redcrayon]

DiipuSurotu
If you'd like to reboot this thread without the immediate derail, let us know and we'll lock this and we can start again.

 

[Maffis]

I hope they behead the one who did it and broadcast it live, make an example out of him.

Also the last sentence of the first reply gave it away that they are trolling.

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The murderer is dead. And I hope he suffered badly before going. Fucking crazy people out there.

 

[Westbahnhof]

At this stage I'm more concerned over the 30+ Balkanised posts screaming over a comment that should have been shut down by 1 - and moved on.

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Are you? People load thread, people see his comment first, people respond to it. I hadn't even seen the responses, because while my response didn't add much, it took some time to write, because I was pretty shocked at first. So while I was processing what they guy had written, a bunch of other replies had been posted without me noticing.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

DiipuSurotu
If you'd like to reboot this thread without the immediate derail, let us know and we'll lock this and we can start again.

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Thanks for the offer! I actually just found there is a prior thread:

Man decapitated near Paris, police confirm to Euronews [Up: 9 further arrests, see threadmark]

https://www.euronews.com/2020/10/16/man-decapitated-near-paris-police-confirm-to-euronews The victim is a French History teacher, who showed to his class the caracatures (not sure of the word in English) of the Muslims Prophet Mahomet. He was beheaded next to the school. The killer is 18yo and...

www.resetera.com

So I think we can lock this one and continue in the other thread.

 

[Redcrayon]

Thanks for the offer! I actually just found there is a prior thread:

Man decapitated near Paris, police confirm to Euronews [Up: 9 further arrests, see threadmark]

https://www.euronews.com/2020/10/16/man-decapitated-near-paris-police-confirm-to-euronews The victim is a French History teacher, who showed to his class the caracatures (not sure of the word in English) of the Muslims Prophet Mahomet. He was beheaded next to the school. The killer is 18yo and...

www.resetera.com

So I think we can lock this one and continue in the other thread.

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Generally we go for new news, new thread, but in this case I don't think this thread will recover. Please could someone drop the news update in the thread linked below.

 

[Redcrayon]

Please continue discussion here

Man decapitated near Paris, police confirm to Euronews [Up: 9 further arrests, see threadmark]

https://www.euronews.com/2020/10/16/man-decapitated-near-paris-police-confirm-to-euronews The victim is a French History teacher, who showed to his class the caracatures (not sure of the word in English) of the Muslims Prophet Mahomet. He was beheaded next to the school. The killer is 18yo and...

www.resetera.com