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Remedy Technical Producer on Xbox Series S: "As a consumer, I love this! As a Technical Producer, I see trouble!"
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More work I guess but if the thing sells and will help move units of the game it should be worth it, no?
Hopefully Microsoft puts in the work needed to make everything work as easily possible for developers, it's on MS to make sure this isn't an issue.
All we can do is see, it's stronger then most PCs so that shouldn't be an issue for the most part but adding workload can be. Just gotta have the tools and support ready for devs.
All we can do is see, it's stronger then most PCs so that shouldn't be an issue for the most part but adding workload can be. Just gotta have the tools and support ready for devs.
Did the X or Pro versions cause the same concerns? Might have since some pro/X versions came later or had issues. Have to wait and see how well the toolsets are.
I assume the end goal of the Xbox SDK is to have impeccable profiling tools to easily allow devs to scale down certain settings (e.g. resolution) to maintain the exact same performance as for Series X. Otherwise, it could easily turn into a headache reminiscent of the current-gen landscape. Let's see if all those rumors about Microsoft lagging in the SDK development end up being something.
Kinda strange when some current gen games are running on 2 generational old GPUs and cpusb
yeah having more targets its natural to feel that way, especially when there are a few variables to deal with.
Considering all Xbox games for the future must be compatible with this, obviously it's going to effect games on a technical level
How so, though? Remedy isn't a console exclusive developer. Surely they must have loads of experience working with different hardware by now?
Up until a certain point, of course. We're alredy seeing Microsoft drop Xbox One development in favor of Series S/X development.
Well yeah. It's one more thing they need to check and make sure it runs like its supposed to. But the SDK should allow for this to be a smoother experience.
Sometimes. There are situations like Borderlands 3 where it's pretty nicely optimized for the base consoles, but the various modes for Pro and One X are kind of a mess.
Yes, but seeing last Remedy Games' optimization explains his worries again.
Just sounds like a dev who is just bummed that there is more work to do then.
Ahh so dev who is bad at optimization, worried about having to do more optimization lol
It is about more work not the holding back. The more platforms the more time you need to optimize each versions.
They do, and now they have to do for PC and for the Xboxes, so it's more work. But as others have stated, if it helps for the game to sell more on the Xbox platform because of the cheaper console, it'll be worth it (I think).
Well PC games usually allow players to freely change settings to alter the performance. I think on consoles the expectation is more that performance should be "good" at a default. This seems more akin to developing on the Switch and having different profiles for docked vs undocked, with expectations of different, but good performance on both, although with a much larger difference obviously
Coming off Control, a fantastic game with some truly awful performance on anything but the high end, I get their concern! They seem to have struggled a bit.
Did the X or Pro versions launch in the same date as the originals during a global pandemic, or several years later after getting to know the hardware?
This is like saying that it's troublesome to work and optimize a game on a GTX 3060 when you have also a 3090.
I mean devs are supposed to be used to this, the vast majority of them also work on PC and they had to make games on Xbox One, Xbox One X, PS4 and PS4 Pro.
I mean devs are supposed to be used to this, the vast majority of them also work on PC and they had to make games on Xbox One, Xbox One X, PS4 and PS4 Pro.
I definitely get the angle of the Series S being harder to work with. At the start, it's on Microsoft to make the developer tools as easy to use as possible.
With that said, going forward I think the Switch has shown that developers can and will make sacrifices if the userbase is there. Time will tell.
With that said, going forward I think the Switch has shown that developers can and will make sacrifices if the userbase is there. Time will tell.
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Well considering the state of Control at launch on consoles I'd say optimization is already trouble for them.
there a min and recommended specs for a reason. They more than likely design for the recommended spec. this is why damn near ever pc release we have performance threads of people optimizing their setups, Console we dont have that so there is more work on them than the work usually put on PC users.
PC is magically different somehow, with everything it seems.
As a mobile game developer who primarily works on graphics and has to worry about a range of hardware across iOS and Android, this thread is going to make me want to gouge out my eyes. This is the opinion of an expert in the field and it can't be dismissed with throwaway lines about them already having to do that for PC.
One of the primary benefits of consoles as a concept is that they are a single hardware target which you can focus on. It is far easier to get close to the maximum of what a single piece of hardware is capable of than it is to get close to the maximum of what several pieces of hardware are capable of. Compare a console and an equivalently powerful PC and the console version will usually be significantly better in visuals, performance or both. PC gaming makes up for this with substantially increased power on all fronts.
Adding more consoles inevitably makes things trickier for developers, and the S will be no different. Getting the most out of the S and the most out of the X will be a significant challenge: in almost every case you will have a less optimal experience on one or both. This is already the reality of multi-platform development, but clearly the addition of the Series S exacerbates that. Overall the S should expand the Xbox user base and maybe even the console user base, and that should make up for it because developers will sell more. Doesn't change that it's going to be a pain.
I think it's worth remembering that not that long ago Phil Spencer had a lot of people here convinced that releasing on the Xbox One wouldn't hold stuff back before the rhetoric was shot to pieces by the Halo Infinite showcase.
Why should it be?
One of the primary benefits of consoles as a concept is that they are a single hardware target which you can focus on. It is far easier to get close to the maximum of what a single piece of hardware is capable of than it is to get close to the maximum of what several pieces of hardware are capable of. Compare a console and an equivalently powerful PC and the console version will usually be significantly better in visuals, performance or both. PC gaming makes up for this with substantially increased power on all fronts.
Adding more consoles inevitably makes things trickier for developers, and the S will be no different. Getting the most out of the S and the most out of the X will be a significant challenge: in almost every case you will have a less optimal experience on one or both. This is already the reality of multi-platform development, but clearly the addition of the Series S exacerbates that. Overall the S should expand the Xbox user base and maybe even the console user base, and that should make up for it because developers will sell more. Doesn't change that it's going to be a pain.
I think it's worth remembering that not that long ago Phil Spencer had a lot of people here convinced that releasing on the Xbox One wouldn't hold stuff back before the rhetoric was shot to pieces by the Halo Infinite showcase.
Why should it be?
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Yes and now they get to do it again for Series S. Another additional platform to support, this time around mandatory.
Yeah, in the Xbox article today they posted this:
"In speaking to game developers, we identified the areas that are most difficult to scale effectively, including the CPU and I/O, and made it easy to include Xbox Series S for developers who are targeting their experiences for Xbox Series X."
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I think they hit a critical mass, while optimisation happens afterwards, users collaborating on self-help, waiting for specific patches. That sort of experience is unacceptable on consoles.
Probably, but that doesn't mean that you can skip testing and fine-tuning. The increase in workload should be minimal but it is an extra SKU to target.
This just a comment on needing to optimize and test a whole other platform instead of just XSX. Not a talk of power from what I got from this
Maybe if they were able to charge a series s to x upgrade patch the work will be a little less of a nuance
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