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Scooby-Doo Mafia |OT| Where are you?
- Thread starter Aeleus
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Can you say exactly what you didn't like about how kits handled the conversation?
T v T v T? Kits......Turm........and......??? 🤨
So only two confirmed town leads for yesterday lynch, ok.
What are your thoughts on the ppl you called out 🤔. Stu, nin, me, and lp.
Stu I'm pretty convinced is town. His play is pretty similar to every other game I've been in with him and he's been town every time. Beyond that, he's been putting his thoughts down pretty clearly and not just coasting by. He may have been wrong about Turmoil, but I can't fault his reasoning since Turmoil's play was pretty easy to scumread.
L_P was definitely a consideration, but ultimately it came down to "L_P is scum because he's quiet and not doing much", vs "Kits is scum because she's all over the place and actively distracting." Inactive vs active scumread. I'm normally for pushing coasting players, so I can see why this came up, but he's at the least put a couple of out there reads down.
I had Kitsunelaine as my second most likely scum, just below L_P. She was throwing out reads, with long reasoning posts, but that reasoning was super hollow if you looked at it. It read like busy work or smoke screening.
Somehow the rest of my quotes didn't stick, so I'll go back and grab them.
I disagree on stu. He hasn't been like himself. Seems less proactive in scum hunting and more content with lazy pushes.
kits was your second scum "just below" lp. Yet you voted kits. What pushed kits over lp?
You were feeling town on Nin not too long ago. What's causing the switch?
haha if anyone had counter claimed Soneji or Sparks I would consider it, but being in a normal game I think we're good. I still don't get the whole "find each other" thing, but I guess we'll figure it out after the game.
I've been getting insane amounts of redirect ads on ERA Mobile. They're supposedly working on it.
Stu is, I think, the first person to really call out a couple people, including Loki in the last couple pages. Has anyone even called out Loki before? I dunno. It's obviously not a hard read, and admittedly my read on Stu could change depending on a few other people (*cough*nin*cough*), but as of the vote, Stu was the most townread of the three.
For the second question, I was referencing this post:
So I had Kits second only to nin and L_P third behind those two. I probably should have been more clear.
Just a feeling really. Nothing big enough for me to vote him right now but it's just a feeling.
Ok I see now. Thought you meant Lp was most scummy.
*truffleshuffle*
It's actually an issue with my internet provider: https://www.resetera.com/threads/my-internet-provider-mobile-operator-blocked-resetera.155967/
So looks like I'll only be able to participate on a PC for some time.
I haven't had time to do a full reread, but yesterday I felt the worst about nin among those four. You being a day vig makes me quite sure you are town and your contributions today haven't really dispelled that impression. LP and Stan I will have to read again to get a solid impression.
It's getting super quiet and that's never a good thing. Do we need to do a "track/protect/kill" or something?
Going back to my last list and removing the departed:
Town
1. [He/Him] Funky Dude Sparks UTC-6
4. [He/Him] Soneji UTC-5
5. [He/Him] EzekelRAGE UTC-6
10. [He/Him] Fantomas UTC-6
7. [He/Him] Stuart444 UTC+0 Stu
3. [She/Her] lokiduck UTC-8 Ms. Bird/Loki/Ms. Duck
19. [They/Her] weemadarthur UTC-5 Wee
13. [He/Him] Z-Beat UTC-8
2. [He/Him] Stantastic UTC+13 Stan
9. [He/Him] malus UTC+1
11. [He/Him] Kalor UTC+0
16. [He/Him] Lone_Prodigy UTC-5 LP
18. [He/Him] nin UTC+1
Scum
I've clearly got too many people above the "Malus" line. Malus being about where "This person has given me no reason to think they're town" begins.
Stan has been pushing Sparks to give his own thoughts and trying to avoid letting Sparks just sort of coast on "I'm a lover, so I'm town". Not just that, Stan is doing it in a way that doesn't feel like Stan trying to get Sparks to give us a reason to doubt the claim. Gives me better feelings on Stan, and honestly makes me wish we were seeing more from Sparks and Soneji. You two are the closest we have to cleared and while that doesn't make you 100% town (only a flip does that in my eyes; even cop checks can be messed with), it does mean we can trust your reads as being honest a bit more than others'.
lokiduck is starting to fall down the list. I know we just got a lean/reads list, but it's really bare bones. It almost feels like a scum player trying to find anything to scum read someone for. This line is the one that has me -_- though:
TheChuggernaut/Fantomas still read town on Fanto even with everyone else side-eyeing the Kits vote. I clearly saw the arguments also. Could just be confirmation bias on my part I guess. I'm guessing TheChuggernaut leaned on Stu because Stu was active at the time? It doesn't feel like a pocket attempt at least, and I know catch up for a sub sucks butt, even in a game as relatively quiet as this one. Nothing drastically changing my opinion here, yet.
Z-Beat ... I know a few people are town reading him, but I'm not really seeing why (which was why he was so close to the middle for me). Anyone want to point something out specifically? He's had a few solid runs, but looking over the post history for the thread doesn't really inspire. Nothing specifically scummy, but I would be willing to vote here with a solid argument. I do find this sort of funny though:
Weemadarthur: pretty solid town read for me, honestly. Probably just under the PRs. Asking questions, not letting things go, relentless on low posting. If there's someone on my list that has earned staying there, it's Wee.
Stuart. Like I've said, never seen scum Stu. I still read town here. I don't know that I see the Loki/Weemadarthur connection he's making, but I can see how he's getting there at least. Pushed the Turmoil vote super hard, but meh, we're all wrong at some point.
Getting called to lunch, finish later.
Going back to my last list and removing the departed:
Town
1. [He/Him] Funky Dude Sparks UTC-6
4. [He/Him] Soneji UTC-5
5. [He/Him] EzekelRAGE UTC-6
10. [He/Him] Fantomas UTC-6
7. [He/Him] Stuart444 UTC+0 Stu
3. [She/Her] lokiduck UTC-8 Ms. Bird/Loki/Ms. Duck
19. [They/Her] weemadarthur UTC-5 Wee
13. [He/Him] Z-Beat UTC-8
2. [He/Him] Stantastic UTC+13 Stan
9. [He/Him] malus UTC+1
11. [He/Him] Kalor UTC+0
16. [He/Him] Lone_Prodigy UTC-5 LP
18. [He/Him] nin UTC+1
Scum
I've clearly got too many people above the "Malus" line. Malus being about where "This person has given me no reason to think they're town" begins.
Stan has been pushing Sparks to give his own thoughts and trying to avoid letting Sparks just sort of coast on "I'm a lover, so I'm town". Not just that, Stan is doing it in a way that doesn't feel like Stan trying to get Sparks to give us a reason to doubt the claim. Gives me better feelings on Stan, and honestly makes me wish we were seeing more from Sparks and Soneji. You two are the closest we have to cleared and while that doesn't make you 100% town (only a flip does that in my eyes; even cop checks can be messed with), it does mean we can trust your reads as being honest a bit more than others'.
lokiduck is starting to fall down the list. I know we just got a lean/reads list, but it's really bare bones. It almost feels like a scum player trying to find anything to scum read someone for. This line is the one that has me -_- though:
"My biggest flaw is that I'm tooooo Town!" Now much like Stu, I do not think I have ever been in a game with Scum!Lokiduck, so it could just be that she IS, in fact, too town. I also get she's talking about people pocketing her, but come on. That's still some grade A quality scum smoke.
TheChuggernaut/Fantomas still read town on Fanto even with everyone else side-eyeing the Kits vote. I clearly saw the arguments also. Could just be confirmation bias on my part I guess. I'm guessing TheChuggernaut leaned on Stu because Stu was active at the time? It doesn't feel like a pocket attempt at least, and I know catch up for a sub sucks butt, even in a game as relatively quiet as this one. Nothing drastically changing my opinion here, yet.
Z-Beat ... I know a few people are town reading him, but I'm not really seeing why (which was why he was so close to the middle for me). Anyone want to point something out specifically? He's had a few solid runs, but looking over the post history for the thread doesn't really inspire. Nothing specifically scummy, but I would be willing to vote here with a solid argument. I do find this sort of funny though:
About that 100% success rate...
again, not throwing stones since I was on that vote. did one of those lolwhoops laughs when I was reading back through Z-Beat
Weemadarthur: pretty solid town read for me, honestly. Probably just under the PRs. Asking questions, not letting things go, relentless on low posting. If there's someone on my list that has earned staying there, it's Wee.
Stuart. Like I've said, never seen scum Stu. I still read town here. I don't know that I see the Loki/Weemadarthur connection he's making, but I can see how he's getting there at least. Pushed the Turmoil vote super hard, but meh, we're all wrong at some point.
Getting called to lunch, finish later.
My internet is down until the 2nd so I'll be following along on mobile til then
How dare Kits ruin my streak
I guess the holiday is keeping everyone away?
Last day vote was interesting. We know it was town vs town between Turmoil and Kits. Loki trying to tie would look more suspicious if one of the two was scum but they weren't.
If we operate on an assumption that the third train (malus) could be scum, then Kalor jumping from malus to Turmoil looks pretty suspicious. That swung Turmoil from 3rd to 2nd and vice versa with malus.
Hmm actually looking at it again, no one moves their vote after Kalor besides loki. Turmoil claimed and then there was some discussion, most of which was disbelief. Since we know both Kits and Turmoil were town, scum wouldn't move their vote. I think it would've been different if scum malus was in second place. We might have seen some weak reasoning to vote for Kits (not to say that the existing votes weren't already bad).
Tl;dr: turmoil vote was smokescreen to protect malus, Kalor is suspect.
Last day vote was interesting. We know it was town vs town between Turmoil and Kits. Loki trying to tie would look more suspicious if one of the two was scum but they weren't.
If we operate on an assumption that the third train (malus) could be scum, then Kalor jumping from malus to Turmoil looks pretty suspicious. That swung Turmoil from 3rd to 2nd and vice versa with malus.
Hmm actually looking at it again, no one moves their vote after Kalor besides loki. Turmoil claimed and then there was some discussion, most of which was disbelief. Since we know both Kits and Turmoil were town, scum wouldn't move their vote. I think it would've been different if scum malus was in second place. We might have seen some weak reasoning to vote for Kits (not to say that the existing votes weren't already bad).
Tl;dr: turmoil vote was smokescreen to protect malus, Kalor is suspect.
For now, yes.
As for your above post, I lean town on you and Loki but I'd need to do some rereading.
Not really. That was just me looking at the player list and going off my memory and gut since I haven't really posted any kind of reads list this game. I don't have any fancy writeups for each player.
Let's get to reading 8D I'm going to break up these reads based on how big the posts get because I may be quoting people depending on if they have anything interesting to say. I'll give a quick summary at the end as well.
Fanto: Day 1 focused on (T) Coolest pretty hard but we all were with that claim of his. Seemed to be suspicious of (T) Kits for a long time even questioning why I was feeling good about her in my first reads list.
He also agreed with wee and me on Pirate Bae being scummy so it's possible that if Malus does turn out town (I doubt this LOL), it could have been scum trying to push suspicion on town.
Day 2 Fanto was thrown off by Kopite turning out town, which I get because I've had quite a few major scum reads turn out that way as well and it always sucks lol.
A lot of his early day 2 was naturally spent defending himself after Turm's theory that Kopite hid behind him.
Made a lot of posts where he took someone elses posts said "I agree" and usually expanded on that agreement with his own thoughts.
Here's an example where he did a lot of it.
It's nothing too weird, but it was interesting how he was doing it a lot.
His voting day 2 genuinely comes off to me as lost town trying to figure out who is scum but he really got the Kits train rolling at lead to her being lunched. I can also see why he was lost town considering most of his scum reads on day 1 ended up town ( or might be town like with sparks)
Chuggs: Hasn't done much so i'm excited to see how he plays, though he fooled me once before so i need to be cautious.
Overall score: I'm giving Chuggs a slight town read for now because while Fanto started the Kits train and was doing a lot of "Yes I agree" posts, he was putting forth a lot of his own thoughts and constantly asking questions of people and what they were putting forth.
If Malus ends up town I will probably reassess Fantochugs again.
Fanto: Day 1 focused on (T) Coolest pretty hard but we all were with that claim of his. Seemed to be suspicious of (T) Kits for a long time even questioning why I was feeling good about her in my first reads list.
He also agreed with wee and me on Pirate Bae being scummy so it's possible that if Malus does turn out town (I doubt this LOL), it could have been scum trying to push suspicion on town.
Day 2 Fanto was thrown off by Kopite turning out town, which I get because I've had quite a few major scum reads turn out that way as well and it always sucks lol.
A lot of his early day 2 was naturally spent defending himself after Turm's theory that Kopite hid behind him.
Made a lot of posts where he took someone elses posts said "I agree" and usually expanded on that agreement with his own thoughts.
Here's an example where he did a lot of it.
It's nothing too weird, but it was interesting how he was doing it a lot.
His voting day 2 genuinely comes off to me as lost town trying to figure out who is scum but he really got the Kits train rolling at lead to her being lunched. I can also see why he was lost town considering most of his scum reads on day 1 ended up town ( or might be town like with sparks)
Chuggs: Hasn't done much so i'm excited to see how he plays, though he fooled me once before so i need to be cautious.
Overall score: I'm giving Chuggs a slight town read for now because while Fanto started the Kits train and was doing a lot of "Yes I agree" posts, he was putting forth a lot of his own thoughts and constantly asking questions of people and what they were putting forth.
If Malus ends up town I will probably reassess Fantochugs again.
That's okay c: Maybe just try to read through the game a bit and give your thoughts on anything that stands out to you? XD
Here's what kind of giving me pause. People keep saying we need to look at the Kits vote, but I think we should be more concerned with the Turmoil votes. He was a claimed tracker and that's a much better mislunch for scum and him dying in this night phase means that they were worried about him.
Yeah I can agree with wanting to focus there. LP suggested that the train on Turm may have also been to get votes off Malus (which honestly I kind of believe since I'm still scum reading Malus) so maybe scum was hoping they could save a scummate and get out a town power all at once.
Pirate Bae: Said she wouldn't vote for me because she wanted a better read on me first. This started a thing where she weirdly focused on me a lot and was being suspicious of me. When I mentioned that she has probably never played with Soneji before besides some other players and yet she hasn't mentioned him at all, she said he was suspicious.
She also never gave a full read list on all the players even when asked to do so.
The biggest reads she ever gave was this:
Voted CS after seeing his Neutral Claim and wanted him out.
Malus: First major posts was an assessment of the game and most notably he was scum reading both (T) Kits and Turm.
He voted for Turmoil after that post because he didn't want the Kits train to get too big, but was willing to vote her if it came up against Stu.
Voted Kits
Made his claim and put forth that he wanted to vote Turmoil
So he did.
Both Kits and Turm ended up town, but this last minute push onto Turmoil completely took him off the table as a possible lunch so naturally it doesn't make him look good at all. As LP stated in his post, Kalor looks pretty suspect for getting that ball rolling, but Malus himself doesn't look great at all.
However today he says that we should focus on those that voted off the three main trains becaue it was a "t v t v t" situation because he insists he's town. This feels like an attempt to get suspicion off of him and possibly Kalor.
Final Assessment: I think Malus is scum pure and simple. His voting history and Bae's past actions have made them look super scummy.
Vote: Malus
She also never gave a full read list on all the players even when asked to do so.
The biggest reads she ever gave was this:
Voted CS after seeing his Neutral Claim and wanted him out.
Malus: First major posts was an assessment of the game and most notably he was scum reading both (T) Kits and Turm.
He voted for Turmoil after that post because he didn't want the Kits train to get too big, but was willing to vote her if it came up against Stu.
Voted Kits
Made his claim and put forth that he wanted to vote Turmoil
So he did.
Both Kits and Turm ended up town, but this last minute push onto Turmoil completely took him off the table as a possible lunch so naturally it doesn't make him look good at all. As LP stated in his post, Kalor looks pretty suspect for getting that ball rolling, but Malus himself doesn't look great at all.
However today he says that we should focus on those that voted off the three main trains becaue it was a "t v t v t" situation because he insists he's town. This feels like an attempt to get suspicion off of him and possibly Kalor.
Final Assessment: I think Malus is scum pure and simple. His voting history and Bae's past actions have made them look super scummy.
Vote: Malus
LP: I voted for him for his posts on CS and mostly because I was wanting to give Malus a small pass before I said fuck it and voted him anyways. However, I'm liking his posts more as he plays and I'm feeling good about him.
Here's the actual read on him though.
He believed CS's neutral claim but thought Zeke did the kill. He kept referring back to LB3 to say that CS was going to try and coast by with the neutral claim like he did as a scum DV.
Day 2: He felt Zeke was town because he's a Vig and explained his reasoning for his posts on CS. Most notably in this post he was suspicious of Kalor's activity even then.
He followed through on that by voting Kalor where he stayed.
I think that over all he did a good job defending his day 1 activity, which is another reason i switched off him.
I also massively agree with his theory that the Turm train was an attempt to get heat off Malus as it was also what I thought on the matter.
Over all Assessment: Slight town lean at this point as i'm liking his posts the more he posts, and I get his reasoning for focusing on Kalor like he has.
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Soneji: Day 1 mainly had a argument with Fran about his posts on Stu. Voted Kits after finding her posts suspicious. While he didn't post much, he used his posts well asking questions and hunting.
At the end of day 1 he voted for (T) Kopite, because he found some of his posts suspicious.
Day 2 he backed up Sparks on the lover claim.
He voted Stu and then Kits, but he was pretty consistently suspicious of Kits so his vote on her day 2 wasn't out of nowhere.
Overall Assessment: Town read for now because i have largely liked his posts, and while I don't completely believe the lover claim I see no reason not to suspect them right now.
Here's the actual read on him though.
He believed CS's neutral claim but thought Zeke did the kill. He kept referring back to LB3 to say that CS was going to try and coast by with the neutral claim like he did as a scum DV.
Day 2: He felt Zeke was town because he's a Vig and explained his reasoning for his posts on CS. Most notably in this post he was suspicious of Kalor's activity even then.
He followed through on that by voting Kalor where he stayed.
I think that over all he did a good job defending his day 1 activity, which is another reason i switched off him.
I also massively agree with his theory that the Turm train was an attempt to get heat off Malus as it was also what I thought on the matter.
Over all Assessment: Slight town lean at this point as i'm liking his posts the more he posts, and I get his reasoning for focusing on Kalor like he has.
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Soneji: Day 1 mainly had a argument with Fran about his posts on Stu. Voted Kits after finding her posts suspicious. While he didn't post much, he used his posts well asking questions and hunting.
At the end of day 1 he voted for (T) Kopite, because he found some of his posts suspicious.
Day 2 he backed up Sparks on the lover claim.
He voted Stu and then Kits, but he was pretty consistently suspicious of Kits so his vote on her day 2 wasn't out of nowhere.
Overall Assessment: Town read for now because i have largely liked his posts, and while I don't completely believe the lover claim I see no reason not to suspect them right now.
LOL thanks for the support, but maybe since your are lost, you could do some rereads on someone you are suspicious of to see if you find anything interesting?
LOL I'm hungry so I'm going to take a lunch break real quick, will be back with more sick reads later. ;D
Kalor: Day 1, said there wasn't much that would be useful for scum hunting and joke vote on Abs. Didn't like Fran's kill at all but believed Zeke over CS. Called the mater a T vs T thing which might be true since CS was town.
Joke response to CS lying and unsure whether we should lunch him or not based on the town wincon (which means nothing because Fran was dead by this point so he could have gotten it from there if he isn't town.)
Voted CS seeing no real other vote option and thought getting out the neutral would be a good idea. It's clear from these posts that he believed CS' neutral claim.
Day 2: Thought Kopite hid behind rac or it was a two kill kind of situation?
Voted for Sparks and after the claim later voted for Pirate Bae while also putting forth suspicions on Turm.
He switched from Sparks immediately after Sparks claimed meaning he believed it without Soneji having to come back him up.
It doesn't mean much but I find it interesting that he immedately believed the claim, much like how he believed CS' neut claim.
I made a post telling everyone not to worry about Sparks that day phase.
Put the blame for Spark's role claim on Turm partly
Debated with Kits on Sparks' claim and even said scum wouldn't kill him N2 because of Kits suggestion to policy lunch him if he lives.
Unvoted Bae when she replaced out deciding to wait before voting again. His reasoning later was that he wanted more from Malus.
Said he had no interest in a Stu lunch
Then voted Turmoil.
Voted Malus because not feeling the other trains, ultimately wanted Turm.
Brings up the Turmoil lunch suggestion again, and then after others vote for him he votes for them.
What's interesting is that he was willing to beleive Turm's claim but still wanted his flip because of his activity and his involvement in Sparks and Soneji claiming.
Day 3:
Didn't expect Turm to get killed and said the Kits train was suspicious.
Voted Nin after putting forth his reads.
Overall Assessment: Most of his posts have been believing people's claims and putting suspicion on Turmoil who he wanted out even if Turm really was a tracker. He was one of the main people besides Malus pushing for a Turmoil lunch, but he only voted for him again when others did.
At this point I'm pretty sure he's scum especially if Malus ends up being scum. He is the other train I'd like to say this day phase besides Malus of course.
Joke response to CS lying and unsure whether we should lunch him or not based on the town wincon (which means nothing because Fran was dead by this point so he could have gotten it from there if he isn't town.)
Voted CS seeing no real other vote option and thought getting out the neutral would be a good idea. It's clear from these posts that he believed CS' neutral claim.
Day 2: Thought Kopite hid behind rac or it was a two kill kind of situation?
Voted for Sparks and after the claim later voted for Pirate Bae while also putting forth suspicions on Turm.
He switched from Sparks immediately after Sparks claimed meaning he believed it without Soneji having to come back him up.
It doesn't mean much but I find it interesting that he immedately believed the claim, much like how he believed CS' neut claim.
I made a post telling everyone not to worry about Sparks that day phase.
Put the blame for Spark's role claim on Turm partly
Debated with Kits on Sparks' claim and even said scum wouldn't kill him N2 because of Kits suggestion to policy lunch him if he lives.
Unvoted Bae when she replaced out deciding to wait before voting again. His reasoning later was that he wanted more from Malus.
Said he had no interest in a Stu lunch
Then voted Turmoil.
Voted Malus because not feeling the other trains, ultimately wanted Turm.
Brings up the Turmoil lunch suggestion again, and then after others vote for him he votes for them.
What's interesting is that he was willing to beleive Turm's claim but still wanted his flip because of his activity and his involvement in Sparks and Soneji claiming.
Day 3:
Didn't expect Turm to get killed and said the Kits train was suspicious.
Voted Nin after putting forth his reads.
Overall Assessment: Most of his posts have been believing people's claims and putting suspicion on Turmoil who he wanted out even if Turm really was a tracker. He was one of the main people besides Malus pushing for a Turmoil lunch, but he only voted for him again when others did.
At this point I'm pretty sure he's scum especially if Malus ends up being scum. He is the other train I'd like to say this day phase besides Malus of course.
I think there's scum between Kalor and Malus. Not sure if it's both of them because two scum stacking on town is shady. Going to read both of them later. I have a hard time reading both of them tbh
Well I think I'm losing my mind, this time
This time I'm losing my mind, that's right
Said I think I'm losing my mind, this time
This time, I'm losing my mind
This time I'm losing my mind, that's right
Said I think I'm losing my mind, this time
This time, I'm losing my mind
Loki you have to promise me you aren't scum trying to pocket me
LOL I am not scum and I am trying to pocket you like you pocketed me in SU :P
Are you scum accusing me of pocketing you? :O