Right so I want to start off today by saying that I apologize for contributing to wee's lynch yesterday. Out of the trains in the lead, they were the one I was most willing to vote for and that ended up being a mistake. In either case, since they has proven to be town that does give us some information we can we use. So let's do this.
One thing that had concerned me that I was maybe voting incorrectly yesterday near the end was that there wasn't much activity, in fact in general day 1 moved at a pretty slow pace. Several of us noticed this, and the day even ended with Reki asking why it was so quiet.
The facts are, there wasn't much going on and that was because scum was sitting cozy because a townie was in the lead. Now, I know a lot of people have been suspecting Stan because he voted on wee and hasn't had much of a presence, but there is the fact that he was in second place just one vote short of tying with wee. If one of us wee voters had decided to switch to Stan, or two other players had voted him out before the day ended, he would have been the one to go instead. All this means to me is that either Scum was willing to take a risk that one of their scummates could go at the last minute and they kept their votes elsewhere so as to not look suspicious voting for wee, or Stan is town. I'm not able to say which is more likely, but it something to consider today.
Upon reflection and rereading, most of late day 1 ended up being mostly about Exodus. This makes sense of course as he roleclaimed, but after his claim, most of the conversation was focused on him or flavor discussion (I agree that it is important to discuss it, but it's better to wait until more people have flipped to see how the flavors affect alignments just in case there is a flavor twist) and in many ways that ended up taking time away from discussing other players, especially because most of us decided we weren't going to vote Exodus day 1 just to see how he plays in the future. Overall I'd say Exodus' gameplay has been weird to say the least, as I still don't really get him roleclaiming along with his weird voting late day when he switched to Zeke only to go back to Stan when he realized he had 4 votes.
Not really liking Zeke here. Gut feeling.
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I'd rather kill a coaster than an active player. But right now you're giving me scumish vibes with your night suggestions.
Wait. Stan has 4 votes. Nvm going back.
Double: Stantastic
To me he either comes off as scum trying to coast through early game due to claiming early (like CoolestSpot in LB3) or a misguided townie and the latter is what I'm slightly leaning towards. But we'll see.
Anyways let's move on to the votes on wee! Here's is a rough order of events for how votes and discussion on wee went down.
Vote: weemadarthur
hi. i don't like you backing down from this LP thing.
After going back and forth with wee (mostly about LP), Sawneeks finally puts her vote down on wee. Not much happens there until Ketkat:
Looking over the game, I am suspicious of so many people here. There are quite a few people who have not contributed much, or in some cases, anything at all. I'm pretty okay with most flips at this point, although I would like to keep around nin and lokiduck right now. I'm not convinced that anyone is town, but they're both actively answering questions and working with us, and I would rather look at them closer in later days.
I think the flip I'm learning towards the most right now though is weemadarthur. A lot of their reasoning for both defending certain players as well as accusing others of being scum is based entirely off of meta reads or small nitpickings like Chuggernaut saying he's never been scum before. It all just feels so empty when I look back over it, like it has the semblance of trying to appear busy without actually having to stick to any of the arguments.
Vote: weemadarthur
Provides her argument for voting wee and puts one down.
Sawneeks: I was kind of liking her post at the start, but I'm less sure about her at this point. Doubling down on the LP vote seemed weird to me and I'm not a huge fan of her just immediately town reading Exodus for his NAI claim at best. I've been kicking around a world where scum Neeks is trying to pocket a town Exodus there. I'm leaning scum on my former boat friend, and that bums me out.
Wee: This is the only thing making me unsure of my Neeks read, because I'm not super thrilled with Wee's posts either. I have no idea where that LP defense is coming from at all. That exchange between them and Neeks soured me on both of them, to be honest.
Chuggs is suspicious of both neeks and wee when he gives his read list.
I'm not a fan of choosing weemad for a Day 1 lynch. It might be better to aim for a lower count poster on an early day (while fully noting the irony in me being a lower count poster ( ._.) ) because more posts means more stuff to dig through on later days. Low contribution players remain a painful enigma in later days
oreomunsta voices opinion against voting wee day 1, suggesting we focus on lowpost counters.
That's....not it at all, Wee.
I'm going over it again but here's the breakdown.
It starts here where I vote for LP. As I explain later it's a half joke/half prod that I wanted LP to do more of something, anything. I also was not against it becoming a far more serious vote if nothing else popped up, i.e. scum reads
Then Wee posts this with little actual explanation
A couple of folks note it and ask questions. These are Reki, Sae, and Ket.
Wee clarifies to Reki that it's simply unbelievable that a Townie could ever pick out LP because he is the 'easy' target. Says my reasoning (keep this part in mind) is too weak.
Ket and Reki pursue it further, asking Wee how my vote somehow makes me Scum.
I wake up and join in on this fun time with an explanation of my vote.
Wee's response Ket's and Reki's question as to why that makes me scum is, again, I've been around long enough to know prods don't work on LP so therefore I am a liar for trying it anyway.
Wee doesn't respond to my explanation post (despite mentioning that my reasoning is weak even though I didn't explain it until after their chat with Reki/Ket). I ask them why
This whole exchange happens. I call out Wee for not discussing my reasoning behind the vote and they continue to simply sit on the 'you should know better' angle without talking about lunching low post counts, unhelpful Day 1, etc. Even Ket enters in again and echoes my sentiment that Wee is protecting LP and that gets nothing out of them.
Wee's next post is:
That's the second dodge from Wee so I vote:
Response? 'i'm scumhunting'. Still nothing back to me.
And then even keeps it going by ignoring this last statement too.
Neeks:
Wee:
thank you for coming to my TED talk
Neeks gives her big TED Talk about wee and the timeline of their interactions on her LP vote.
Aight, I'm getting some sleep. I'm in the dentist chair when the Day ends so it's super unlikely I'll be here but i'll try and pop in tomorrow morning. Key word being try. :<
I'm fine with my Wee vote for reasons above. I'm also not against LP or any of the other lower post count folks. The only people I would be against lunching are highly unlikely to be up for a vote but if for some reason they are I am against getting rid of these people as of now: Ms. Duck, Chuggs, Neon, Kong, and Ket. Would also rather not lynch Exo either for reasons above.
g'night o/
Then Sawneeks says her last post for day 1, saying she's still fine with her wee vote and who she is against voting.
So its going to be a running theme with me this game that there is no chance in hell imma be getting up for Day end.
So i supposed im going to do that thing now that always ends up biting me and thats make a day1 vote several hours out on a target i only have middling scum vibes on.
Vote: weemadarthur
i had similar feelings as others on her play, and i found myself agreeing with a lot of Sneeks' argument gainst her, and Wee's recent response did nothing to assuage this feeling.
but then it still a while out and there are a ton of votes still to be placed, so if nothing else i hope this vote helps make things a bit more interesting.
Stan makes his vote against wee, because he has somewhat scum vibes on them. He also does so because he won't be there for EoD
I went through and reread Saw/Wee and I'm actually liking Saw more now. I think I was reading an attachment to her LP vote that wasn't there as much as I thought it was. Wee just kind of melting away from that interaction is also concerning and their response when they came back didn't inspire too much confidence. Guess I'll just park this here.
Vote: Weemadarthur
Also, Saw's Exodus stance reminds of something I would say if I didn't just get out of love boat and her follow up posts on it felt townie to me. I don't really agree with her about it, but I see where she's coming from.
Chuggs says out of the two he prefers Neeks and votes for wee.
And yes you pretty much hit the nail on the head in how I have been reading people. >> I have town read you, Ket, and Chuggs because you are giving me town vibes with what you have contributed, while Sawneeks and wee have not.
I can't fully explain my reasoning, I guess part of it is mostly a gut feeling? The two of them have mostly been arguing with each other and then there is the fact that wee has been townreading LP when most of us have been getting null reads from him.
While both had had opinions I have agreed with, neither have convinced me quite yet they are town, so I'm partly convinced their argument might be town vs scum and I can't pinpoint which I think is scum so I'm giving them both null reads until I have more info.
Does that make sense?
Okay... so looking at all the players and where the votes are leaning... the one I'm most willing to vote for is weemadarthur because of reasons I have stated above and because I'm getting null reads from both Stan and WSD.
Right >< One day I'll get it right. VOTE: weemadarthur
I give my read list, Reki asks me how I'm feeling on Neeks and wee, and I end up explaining that I don't feel good about their conversations and that I think one of them is scum, I end up putting a vote on wee because I find them more suspicious than Neeks, and more than Stan or WSD.
Here's my dilemma. I agree that voting out low activity is too easy. But I'm wary of lunching someone like wee if I can't make a strong case against her, because town!wee can be an extremly valuable player late game.
Reki states they will not vote for wee.
While there could be scum in the votes on wee, I'm not sure that I believe that scum would start pushing for anything like that on Day 1. It seems more likely that Sawneeks and I placed votes on her, and people who are undecided or want to blend in jumped in there too. The silence here at end of day does not make me feel great about this vote though. I would also note that scum does not necessarily have to hide on wee's vote because so many people are spread around as lone votes on random people or just aiming for low activity and never moved.
Ketkat suspects scum votes on wee, and is concerned about the silence at end day.
VOTE: Stantastic
Okay, I'm gonna make this my day one vote.
I read some of Sawneeks and KetKat's reasonings and, though I disagree with them, there's a reason there.
I think Stan's vote is trying to solidify a train on weemad.
Was 3-2 and a small push put weemad further ahead.
Vote: Stantastic
WSD and LP put votes on Stan because they think he's scum trying to prop up the train on wee.
Anyways that is the timeline of events and I hope it helps in some way in helping us scumhunt today. Personally while it is important to focus on the votes on wee, as there is a high chance of scum being there, we also need to look at the other votes as well as I am convinced that scum spread out their vote because they weren't worried. Wee was in the lead pretty early on (Chuggs was two as four different people voted for him but only two were still on him by day end), so it's entirely possible that scum saw this and decided they could vote anywhere they wanted. I still think it might also be possible that some scum are on Stan, either to prop up another town or to vote on a scum-mate so as to not look suspicious/bus him for town points if he ended up getting lunched. For that reason I feel a good candidate for investigating today is Stan himself especially since he voted on wee. Out of the wee voters he is the most suspect.
Also just a heads up, I have work to do so after my lunch break is over I won't be around as much until I'm free at home.
