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The Extreme Physics Pushing Moore’s Law to the Next Level
- Thread starter Poetic Injustice
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moor's law -
the principle that the speed and capability of computers can be expected to double every two years, as a result of increases in the number of transistors a microchip can contain.
how does it break... the last 8 years or so :P
basically we stopped being able to make things small enough to keep improving tech at the rate we were so things are no longer doubling every 2 years.
not everyone has time to watch an 11 minute video with no explanation beyond the title of the thread :P
that being said skimming the video it sounds neat, and a new breakthrough would be nice.
we def need a breakthrough in battery tech soon though if we don't want the portable market to continue to stagnate.
I'm at work. I can't hear the sound. Quit being an asshole. Let people consume the material however they want.
These other short videos from ASML are a good follow-up. Literally cutting-edge stuff.
Also, if you want to really strap in for an hour, this presentation is a great overview on how fking unbelievably hard modern microprocessor manufacturing is. (if you don't want to spend an hour, at least jump to 24:30 for a short, fun bit)
Also, if you want to really strap in for an hour, this presentation is a great overview on how fking unbelievably hard modern microprocessor manufacturing is. (if you don't want to spend an hour, at least jump to 24:30 for a short, fun bit)
How is he supposed to know that? Stop being so obtuse.
Very cool video. Love deep-dives into technology that makes this possible, and how these machines end up looking, as a necessity of their design.
Video doesn't go into a lot of detail but isn't this inferior to the existing 7nm and soon to come 5nm lithography tech?
Yes and no.
At the beginning, it was a "simple" economical observation by Moore, that with the advance of technology and the prices of the the material and energy, the most economical chip production would double the number of transistors every two years.
Which it actually did, untill a decade or so ago, where, as explained in the video, you had trouble to create the light sources needed to make smaller transistors. We are now so close to actual, physical limitation of the transistor themself (independently of how they are fabricated), that Moore's law will be physically impossible in... a decade I think? anyway, as a transistor would need to be less than a couple dozen atoms wide, in which wase the quatum effects used for making transistor aren't really valid anymore.
So what ASML did is prettty impressive, but it really announced the beginning of the end of Moore's Law (a 13nm light source should permit something around a couple nm bridges width iirc, so a couple dozen Si atoms). I wonder how engineers will circomvent the physicall limitations to still increase the power of the chips, with "brute forcing" by simply increasing the transistor density (like they did with the multi core technology the first time physical limitations were reached).
They have a 13nm light source. There are tricks to use a light source to etch a structure much smaller than the light source. As they alluded to in the video, current chips (event the 7nm chips I think) are currently produced with light sources around 100nm iirc (or was it 60? anyway, much higher than 13nm). They should be able to go much lower with a 13nm light source, but the probabilistic theories on which transistors are working start to brake down around the nm mark.
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Aww yeah those kids aren't getting any candy tonight, I've got CONTENT to consume
(Beleagured sigh)
If you're not willing to absorb the materials related to a given topic, it's kind of hard to meaningfully contribute to the discussion outside of questioning the basic definition of foundational concepts that are probably explained up front in the materials provided.
This is an informative video, OP. Thank you for trying your best to share a demonstrably easy to digest analysis of a complex subject in a way that doesn't water it down into meaninglessness.
If you're not willing to absorb the materials related to a given topic, it's kind of hard to meaningfully contribute to the discussion outside of questioning the basic definition of foundational concepts that are probably explained up front in the materials provided.
This is an informative video, OP. Thank you for trying your best to share a demonstrably easy to digest analysis of a complex subject in a way that doesn't water it down into meaninglessness.
Not exactly. It held for multiple decades. Just not forever. It's not a law like a physical law, just a trend that held for a while driven by market forces which, once upon a time, were seen as nigh-omnipotent. Calling it a law is maybe a symptom of techland's hubris, but it's a pattern that certainly held and could inform purchasing decisions.
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