Point stands. Why assume so much of the other roles in the game with just your own as the only data point? Might as well have tried.
The Monsters Are Due on Maple Street (Mafia) |OT| Suspicion can destroy
- Thread starter Dr. Monkey
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You fucked up majorly by getting yourself lynched or also fucked up majorly by getting someone who is town lynched for questioning you
Asking you the same question zeke. What happens if you're town? What have you accomplished? You really think scum have come out of the woodworks to attack you or you think they are sitting back watching us lynch each other? I'm fighting you because I think town wouldn't purposefully put us in this situation. What are you here?
EzekelRAGE
A hypothetical scenario
I've read all your arguments about your motivations. BUT
WHAT IF your chat partner crumbed too strongly and it had been noticed by multiple players, some of whom seemed quite scummy?
If that were the case, would you be willing to give them a nameless town read, as [my partner] seems town?
Please answer my hypothetical.
A hypothetical scenario
I've read all your arguments about your motivations. BUT
WHAT IF your chat partner crumbed too strongly and it had been noticed by multiple players, some of whom seemed quite scummy?
If that were the case, would you be willing to give them a nameless town read, as [my partner] seems town?
Please answer my hypothetical.
Like I said, I didn't care much for his tone... as I was reading his posts, I thought that mods should step in and say something... and then I read that they did.
I don't feel as strongly about Cap right now so I didn't want to vote for him today.
And him coming in late to the game and zeroing in almost exclusively on Zeke's claim.
Maybe not the strongest vote, but one I can live with on day 1.
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==== DAY 1 VOTES ====
Day Start
flatearthpandas (5 votes)
EzekelRAGE - #390
Z-Beat - #428
Fantomas - #503
CaptainNuevo - #681
WhySoDevious - #683
Ynnek7 (2 votes)
Z-Beat - #300 #313
Kopite - #410
Fireblend - #490 #529
Fireblend - #529
WhySoDevious (1 votes)
CaptainNuevo - #231 #265
weemadarthur - #419
Zippedpinhead (1 votes)
Lone_Prodigy - #289
EzekelRAGE (1 votes)
Stuart444 - #71 #295
flatearthpandas - #381
CaptainNuevo (1 votes)
Aeleus - #290
WhySoDevious - #292 #683
weemadarthur (1 votes)
saenima - #301
Fireblend (0 votes)
Fantomas - #83 #503
EzekelRAGE - #102 #390
Lone_Prodigy (0 votes)
weemadarthur - #135 #304
saenima (0 votes)
Fireblend - #68 #490
Kopite (0 votes)
CaptainNuevo - #265 #681
Not voting: Zippedpinhead, Ynnek7, Vincent Alexander
Post Counts:
EzekelRAGE: 113 flatearthpandas: 69 Fantomas: 64 weemadarthur: 61 Fireblend: 60 saenima: 49 WhySoDevious: 41 Kopite: 29 Ynnek7: 24 Z-Beat: 23 Aeleus: 23 CaptainNuevo: 20 Vincent Alexander: 17 Stuart444: 16 Zippedpinhead: 14 Lone_Prodigy: 10
Current Countdown:
Day Start
flatearthpandas (5 votes)
EzekelRAGE - #390
Z-Beat - #428
Fantomas - #503
CaptainNuevo - #681
WhySoDevious - #683
Ynnek7 (2 votes)
Kopite - #410
Fireblend - #529
WhySoDevious (1 votes)
weemadarthur - #419
Zippedpinhead (1 votes)
Lone_Prodigy - #289
EzekelRAGE (1 votes)
flatearthpandas - #381
CaptainNuevo (1 votes)
Aeleus - #290
weemadarthur (1 votes)
saenima - #301
Fireblend (0 votes)
Lone_Prodigy (0 votes)
saenima (0 votes)
Kopite (0 votes)
Not voting: Zippedpinhead, Ynnek7, Vincent Alexander
Post Counts:
EzekelRAGE: 113 flatearthpandas: 69 Fantomas: 64 weemadarthur: 61 Fireblend: 60 saenima: 49 WhySoDevious: 41 Kopite: 29 Ynnek7: 24 Z-Beat: 23 Aeleus: 23 CaptainNuevo: 20 Vincent Alexander: 17 Stuart444: 16 Zippedpinhead: 14 Lone_Prodigy: 10
Current Countdown:
If we were to weigh risk between Town coming out or Scum coming out and claiming their other role with Zeke, the bigger risk is scum. I truly don't grasp why a town wouldn't come out. Scum already knows who is town. And I stand by my belief that Zeke has no reason to push for them to not come out on his behalf. He should be indifferent because he doesn't know their alliance. He has no reason to want them safe. Overall, Neighbor is a pretty weak PR. It isn't something that needs protected. I'd love to be convinced otherwise, but it doesn't sit right with me.
I would love for someone to make me understand why Zeke's partner, if town, shouldn't reveal him or herself.
Role madness games I've been apart of have been tame.
Or the person that questioned me just fucked up? You seem to shift blame away from you. If you get lynched, "town screwed up".
You really think too highly of yourself.
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As far as what scum is doing idk. I can see you being scum and using this as cover. I can see scum laying with the remaining day phase you have wasted focusing on me.
No I wouldn't.
What town gains from partner claiming:I would love for someone to make me understand why Zeke's partner, if town, shouldn't reveal him or herself.
Possible confirmation that there is a chat.
What scum gains:
Whether zeke is telling the truth about his PR
Another vanilla revealed
One less person to target when hunting for a PR.
I found one question, unfortunately search isn't kind and I suck at using it, even when staring at a list of your posts to find it. Please let me know what else you asked and I'm happy to do so as I said earlier.
My assumption is you're trying to figure out if he has any indication of alignment or if he's tied to their existence in a participation sense (i.e. lovers) which he denied when he claimed IIRC. I'm assuming you're trying to understand why he wouldn't confirm who his partner is, with the understanding being a non-town read would be bad for him to confirm as a partner since it leads us further astray. I'm not too familiar with neighbors or the logic behind their playstyle so I could be totally misinterpreting your line of questioning, though it looks like you're diving even further into the "Why aren't you protecting and naming your partner?!"
I'm only 85% sure that applied to me and I did check with mods before this came up. But what does it have to do with my alignment in game?
Scum already knows who is town. And if we were concerned about shortening their list of targets, you shouldn't have come out in first place and claimed a Neighbor PR. Unless you're trying to hide a more powerful PR under your coat.
Why would I? If they read crumbs to see who my partner is, they can read the thread and make their own judgment.
They know who is town, they don't know who has a useful PR.
Maybe I could be hiding a more pr. If scum isn't in the chat, they won't know.
Here's my hot take: FEP vs. Zeke is town-town and the real scum already slid their vote onto FEP. Another is sliding by.
VOTE: Ynnek7
VOTE: Ynnek7
I might. But really, if you get town me lynched for a stupid gambit that gains no useful info for town.... I mean, it's great if you want to blame moe for it but it doesn't help us win the game. And I'm happy to get lynched to help town win the game because I will still win. I don't know what you're actually hoping to accomplish. What are you actually hoping to accomplish? How do you actually think you're helping town?
Yep. So me claiming made no difference to scum. I wasn't gonna be targeted anyway.
I can see that. Not feeling either fep or zeke for today. Why Ynnek?
Not a bad take. They are both so heated at one another that it really is making me question whether they are both townies, and we have some scum letting the fireworks happen while they sit back.
I've already went over this. Reactions etc.
You dragging this out to day2 is what the problem was. I didn't plan on this being that big of an issue. Especially with you going on and on about non issues.
Zeke's comment about something similar happening in Simon.
Your own comment.
Plus the other reasons I gave in a following post.
About to head out for an hour. I'll be back in time for there to be a good 40 minutes left and figure out where the hell to drop my vote. I refuse to let a day go by with no lynching, so if need be, I'll vote on Panda. But...I'm not sure I feel good about it.
So that train on FEP just got quite large, not against throwing him out the window but I'm always scared of sudden votes (votes I don't like are Captain and WSD)
I had actually quoted this a while ago but hadn't gone round to making a post referring to it, consider this my train of thought.
Also why Ynnek over players like Zipped and Captain, anything more other than safe reads and a coasty demeanour?
I had actually quoted this a while ago but hadn't gone round to making a post referring to it, consider this my train of thought.
Who do you think might be scum in that scenario?
Also why Ynnek over players like Zipped and Captain, anything more other than safe reads and a coasty demeanour?
I kinda agree.
Then I get a flashback of a comment in GTA Mafia that made me ignore the two initial trains and voting for a third player and inadvertently starting a train that got me voted out the next day.
Details, c'mon.
And I have no idea what happened in Simon.
Stop agreeing with me, it just makes me an N1 target :(
But town doesn't gain anything.
But town doesn't gain anything.
Ynnk had a very weak reasoning for voting me.
With 3-4 scum one of us could be scum while the others sit back.
Going from this
To this
To this
Is quite a sudden difference, any reasoning for the change of heart?
Couple reasons for Ynnek. Others have pointed out his safe reads and quiet play, plus he had the second most votes so he was the easiest to prop up. Plus no one was going for Zipped, although there was a lot of "yeah he's quiet, but..." wishy-washiness.
Thanks for sticking up for me even though it got you killed.
Thanks for sticking up for me even though it got you killed.
Ok, fuck this shit.
You're all very perceptive.
If FEPs is Town here, then all he has done is argue with fucking Zeke about his role claim and get pissed at people. It's a big fucking mess.
Ynnek is not the worst vote here, I've already said I could see myself voting there and nothing has changed that thought.
So let's do this.
Vote: Ynnek7
We should be tied 4-4 now. Let's make a decision.
You're all very perceptive.
If FEPs is Town here, then all he has done is argue with fucking Zeke about his role claim and get pissed at people. It's a big fucking mess.
Ynnek is not the worst vote here, I've already said I could see myself voting there and nothing has changed that thought.
So let's do this.
Vote: Ynnek7
We should be tied 4-4 now. Let's make a decision.
Sorry about my attitude if it has been off-putting. Thanks for mentioning WSD and I'd say you're more than 85% right the warning was because of me.
Having said that, I still have my same question for EzekelRAGE
I know I could have been nicer for everyone earlier, but my point was clear I thought and I meant for it to be quick and painless. The reason we don't claim vanilla in normal games is because that kind of claim helps scum more than it helps scum.
In this game, half of a neighbor chat is worthless. Half of a mason chat, where we could actually be reasonably sure everyone was town, is stil worthless. When I talk about bad play, I don't mean a personal insult. Zeke has beat me in more games than I have him, as far as I know, I mean no disrespect, but this claim as it stands now does more to help scum than it does town.
Having two people who believe each other might be town is useful for us. Scum can only kill one tonight. But it's a fact Zeke has cast shade at his own unnamed partner and hasn't given us the name. That means even if Zeke dies we can't trust his partner and their claim will be shady anyway because there will be no confirmed town to verify. This type of claim needs verification. It's so useless without and it isn't fishing to ask for it. It's asking for proof.
It's like someone claiming rolecop and then claiming fishing for asking for their results. Not how it works. Give us reason to believe you. Zeke, what benefit have you given us? Really? How have you helped town?
Having said that, I still have my same question for EzekelRAGE
I know I could have been nicer for everyone earlier, but my point was clear I thought and I meant for it to be quick and painless. The reason we don't claim vanilla in normal games is because that kind of claim helps scum more than it helps scum.
In this game, half of a neighbor chat is worthless. Half of a mason chat, where we could actually be reasonably sure everyone was town, is stil worthless. When I talk about bad play, I don't mean a personal insult. Zeke has beat me in more games than I have him, as far as I know, I mean no disrespect, but this claim as it stands now does more to help scum than it does town.
Having two people who believe each other might be town is useful for us. Scum can only kill one tonight. But it's a fact Zeke has cast shade at his own unnamed partner and hasn't given us the name. That means even if Zeke dies we can't trust his partner and their claim will be shady anyway because there will be no confirmed town to verify. This type of claim needs verification. It's so useless without and it isn't fishing to ask for it. It's asking for proof.
It's like someone claiming rolecop and then claiming fishing for asking for their results. Not how it works. Give us reason to believe you. Zeke, what benefit have you given us? Really? How have you helped town?
Between the Captain and WSD votes, both aren't great. Captain's looks like a "oh man I was IRL busy I better get in there and drop a vote" and WSD seemed very easily convinced from his previous "I dunno it seems like a vote on a guy acting scummy is too easy" post. Like he realized that it was the easy vote and that town would jump on.
When Z-Beat posted, we didn't get FEP vs. Zeke round 2 yet so it's a relatively early and organic vote. Fanto looked like he just went to break a tie and liked the FEP voters more than the Ynnek ones. Shows a lack of conviction IMO.
When Z-Beat posted, we didn't get FEP vs. Zeke round 2 yet so it's a relatively early and organic vote. Fanto looked like he just went to break a tie and liked the FEP voters more than the Ynnek ones. Shows a lack of conviction IMO.
Hot take #2: votes piling up on scum FEP so they capitulate while votes shift to town Ynnek.
I've developed an understanding of how you play and I think you bring value to the game by continuing to play. You're also in that middle ground of people who aren't likely to be lynched already, so prime targets for someone hoping to get kills in without giving much info the game. AKA: a risky place to be. So I'd protect you because barring the public identity of a confirmed town-positive PR like a cop or doctor (which has not and SHOULD NOT be established), that's the best place to protect.
This whole FEP vs Zeke thing with Ynnek on the side is curious. Very interested in seeing who's flipping and flopping, I'm not necessarily opposed to a ynnek lynch, but I think FEP's been a bit irrationally stressed sounding at this without providing much reason as to why he's not the best choice here other than "Scum wouldn't act like this!", so my vote stays here.
He hasn't really done anything, he's been on my suspect list for most of the day. He promised more thoughts and they were pretty weak, hasn't really followed up much. He could easily be Scum just skating by here.
I'm not pissed at anyone, sorry for that impression. But questioning Zeke with no confirmation is basically everyone's duty. I just question what everyone is doing otherwise.
In no particular order
Town:
Aeleus
Febe
LP
Kopite
WSD
Saenima
Z-beat
ynnek
wee
wtf, you're playing:
zippedpinhead
vincent
Scum:
Fantomas
Zeke
coppa
Hadn't noticed you already had a vote up on Zipped, apologies.
I'm still not sure how my comment could have been taken for a fish by the way
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Looks like none of my trains ever got to leave the station so I guess I'll pick between FEP and Ynnek:
FEP:
Silent for long period of day
Upon joining in got stuck into a conversation with Zeke
Needlessly hostile, possible scum gambit
Ynnek:
First of the two to break off into survival voting
Poor activity
Safe predictable reads
Has anyone got any points they'd want to add to that also is low activity Ynnek's usual schtick or not?
FEP, are they asleep right now? I mean I think that is their timezone? Its all I can think about as to why they haven't swapped to Ynnek7.