Wow, another Spider-Verse thread and one trying to throw shade at the MCU. How original. Yes, yes, I still don't care. Everyone acts like the MCU is the end all and be all and you can't bring up past good hero films like Raimi because that was in the past and too cheesy, and Nolan was too serious and "realistic" so you can't expect the MCU to go that way either. Thus, you're locked out of any suggestions of making the MCU better, especially since the DCEU has been dumpster fire. That is until Spider-Verse, a modern, fun comic-book film featuring a Marvel character that also manages to actually nail actual character development and emotional depth with boldness and sincerity.
The main problem I have with the majority of MCU films is its inability or rather fear to ever take itself serious, even for a second. We can't actually have a character grieve or feel sad or feel genuine fear or really feel anything at any moment that requires us to pause from the fun. Any such moment must be immediately undercut by a joke. I think GOTG, especially GOTG2 is the only one that even attempts not to do this and GOTG2 is considered the "weaker" film by fans.
But, we're here to talk about Spider-Verse and this scene near the end in particular which is just so perfect as it operates on so many different levels.
I've often said MCU films just aren't very "clever" and Spider-Verse is a good example of a clever film with this scene. The scene displays how each character has grown and learned throughout the film, especially Miles, as it's filled with callbacks previously setup in the film. Like seriously, almost every exchange here is something from earlier in the film. Peter starts with "I can't let Spider-Man die!" a line he's stolen from Miles when they break into Alcamax, he's trying to use Miles' own logic against him. He then tries to reassure Miles that "it's okay," something he did previously when Peter found out the Prowler was his Uncle. But now, Miles is prepared, he's grown and reiterates that it is okay. Once again, using a setup from earlier in the film, he uses the same sweep takedown Peter did to him when he wanted to come on the mission.
Then Miles hits him with the, "you gotta go home." Peter previously used this line when he tells Miles, "you gotta go," to leave everyone behind when Kingpin's crew attacks Aunt May's house. Again, Miles is displaying how much he's grown that he's reversing the hero's line back at him. Recognizing that Miles has grown, we get to the final exchange when Peter Asks Miles "how does he know he won't mess it up, again?" Echoing when Miles desperately asked Peter how he would know when he's ready. And, Miles gives Peter's advice right back at him. "You won't...it's a leap of faith." And with that, Miles let's go of Peter now fully prepared and confident to be Spider-Man. And Peter, whose been depressed and low-key suicidal the whole movie accepts the fact that he can turn his personal life around. Miles learns from the Peter how to be Spider-Man. And, Peter learns from Miles how to just be be Peter Parker. It's just a neat little bow on top of the whole film that legitimately brings me to tears, something the MCU has never done.
Brillant. Emotional. Poignant. And, clever.
Nothing in the MCU, that I can think of, comes close to this. Am I wrong?
The main problem I have with the majority of MCU films is its inability or rather fear to ever take itself serious, even for a second. We can't actually have a character grieve or feel sad or feel genuine fear or really feel anything at any moment that requires us to pause from the fun. Any such moment must be immediately undercut by a joke. I think GOTG, especially GOTG2 is the only one that even attempts not to do this and GOTG2 is considered the "weaker" film by fans.
But, we're here to talk about Spider-Verse and this scene near the end in particular which is just so perfect as it operates on so many different levels.
I've often said MCU films just aren't very "clever" and Spider-Verse is a good example of a clever film with this scene. The scene displays how each character has grown and learned throughout the film, especially Miles, as it's filled with callbacks previously setup in the film. Like seriously, almost every exchange here is something from earlier in the film. Peter starts with "I can't let Spider-Man die!" a line he's stolen from Miles when they break into Alcamax, he's trying to use Miles' own logic against him. He then tries to reassure Miles that "it's okay," something he did previously when Peter found out the Prowler was his Uncle. But now, Miles is prepared, he's grown and reiterates that it is okay. Once again, using a setup from earlier in the film, he uses the same sweep takedown Peter did to him when he wanted to come on the mission.
Then Miles hits him with the, "you gotta go home." Peter previously used this line when he tells Miles, "you gotta go," to leave everyone behind when Kingpin's crew attacks Aunt May's house. Again, Miles is displaying how much he's grown that he's reversing the hero's line back at him. Recognizing that Miles has grown, we get to the final exchange when Peter Asks Miles "how does he know he won't mess it up, again?" Echoing when Miles desperately asked Peter how he would know when he's ready. And, Miles gives Peter's advice right back at him. "You won't...it's a leap of faith." And with that, Miles let's go of Peter now fully prepared and confident to be Spider-Man. And Peter, whose been depressed and low-key suicidal the whole movie accepts the fact that he can turn his personal life around. Miles learns from the Peter how to be Spider-Man. And, Peter learns from Miles how to just be be Peter Parker. It's just a neat little bow on top of the whole film that legitimately brings me to tears, something the MCU has never done.
Brillant. Emotional. Poignant. And, clever.
Nothing in the MCU, that I can think of, comes close to this. Am I wrong?
