What do you think will happen with the Freemelee movement?

[Oscarzx n]

The Fremelee movement has been going for about a month now and it doesn't seem to go anywhere, in fact it's getting worse with the Splatoon controversy being added (Which wouln't have happened if it wasn't for Fremelee anyway) plus other unrelated negative stuff about Nintendo that has been added recently to make people also support the cause. The thing is, what do you think will happen with the movement? Will Nintendo do anything? Will Melee fans give up and just have to wait until the end of the pandemic?.For what I can tell Nintendo doesn't seem to care about it at all and for that reason they haven't done anything despite the constant criticism in social media, and honestly since the main reason for the movement to exist (not the only one though) is letting Melee players use the Slippi mod in paid tournaments during the pandemic, I highly doubt Nintendo will ever allow them to do it considering how they see moded or fanmade content, it would need a complete change in some of their rules, and since this won't make them lose too many sales at all they have no real reason to do listen to them, but still it would be nice if maybe they can make an official Melee version with online even if it's an emulation and also end the other restrictions they give to the Melee community (which is the other reason why the movement exists), but since the movement has not been especifically about them asking for that I don't know if they even have thought about doing that, they probably see it as "let us pirate your old game for paid stuff"

EDIT: I already asked for the thread to be closed, but before that I already saw that the thread is overall too similar to one I did a couple of says ago so it wasn't necessary, so I apologize for doing something redundant

 

[Lant_War]

who

 

[Ultima_5]

Nothing. That one guy who got it tattooed on his arm will regret it though.

 

[Soiks]

Nothing will happen. Nintendo doesn't care.

 

[LinkStrikesBack]

Look at the strong positive reaction to sephiroth in smash, lol.

Nobody bar a tiny number of weirdos care at all about freemelee.

 

[Deleted member 19782]

Nothing.

 

[Professor Beef]

It'll fizzle out and die, then people will realize that they are able to stream Melee without Nintendo sponsoring any events and life will go on.

 

[Soulflarz]

Nobody bare a tiny number of weirdos care at all about freemelee.

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Baity as f considering how big the smash community is :/

People care :(
Noting your average consumer does not care about an esports scene isnt really...notable.

 

[Mesoian]

Literally nothing.

 

[Dylan]

I've never been a Smash fan so grain of salt etc, but, wouldn't it be simpler at this point for the Melee fanbase to raise money to create their own game that plays like Melee but without all the nintendo stuff in it? Kind of like what Valve did with Dota 2. It just seems to me like the constant push and pull with Nintendo is more headache than its worth.

 

[Oscarzx n]

Look at the strong positive reaction to sephiroth in smash, lol.

Nobody bar a tiny number of weirdos care at all about freemelee.

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I think some of the videos on Youtube talking about it have recieved a lot of attention, but still, probably not many of those people will boycott Nintendo or something like that so they have no reaon to listen to them

 

[LinkStrikesBack]

Baity as f considering how big the smash community is :/

People care :(
Noting your average consumer does not care about an esports scene isnt really...notable.

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The smash community is big.

The number of people who care about being able to mod a two decade old game to do online tournaments, that was already one of the weaker sellers in the series is not.

 

[closer]

Nothing. That one guy who got it tattooed on his arm will regret it though.

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i kind of like it in a "hands on sight" type of way

 

[Oscarzx n]

I've never been a Smash fan so grain of salt etc, but, wouldn't it be simpler at this point for the Melee fanbase to raise money to create their own game that plays like Melee but without all the nintendo stuff in it? Kind of like what Valve did with Dota 2. It just seems to me like the constant push and pull with Nintendo is more headache than its worth.

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Could Nintendo just sue them for copying their mechanics? since Melee players like the game just how it is, a single change is not allowed and that's why many of them don't play the later Smash games or other similar games

 

[lord_of_flood]

Absolutely nothing. Sephiroth's reveal last night showed that a) the vast majority of the Smash audience does not care about FreeMelee whatsoever, and b) that a lot of the people that did care have very short attention spans.

 

[Revolver Oshawott]

What splatoon controversy?

 

[TheBiInBilingual]

It's going to be as big as the bring back national dex momevent.

Aka a bunch of crybabies gaining attention for 2 months tops to fade into obscurity after.

 

[Dylan]

Could Nintendo just sue them for copying their mechanics? since Melee players like the game just how it is, a single change is not allowed and that's why many of them don't play the later Smash games or other similar games

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I honestly have no idea, but if they ripped out all the Nintendo IP content, and created a frame-by-frame replica of the mechanics that was never actually sold as a product, Nintendo might at least be more willing to look the other way on it for tournaments etc.

 

[Mesoian]

I've never been a Smash fan so grain of salt etc, but, wouldn't it be simpler at this point for the Melee fanbase to raise money to create their own game that plays like Melee but without all the nintendo stuff in it? Kind of like what Valve did with Dota 2. It just seems to me like the constant push and pull with Nintendo is more headache than its worth.

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This has happened literally 4 times and they refuse to switch.

Like, I get the want to keep the game that you've been playing for damn near 20 years in the spotlight, but on the real, the parent company on the game has no interest in that and trying to host and foster a community, including doing things that keeps said community alive during a pandemic, is always going to be shaky ground. I know it sounds reductive of me, but there's a time where you really do have to think about moving to another game, especially when nintendo has made it fully clear that the have no interest in supporting your scene and will never engage with it.

Nintendo are the badguys here, but there's something to be said about walking away from the situation where you have to constantly interact with the badguys in order to stay successful.

 

[Spring-Loaded]

Sakurai will personally visit the movement's most prominent figures, abase himself before them and beg for their forgiveness.

 

[NotLiquid]

With all due respect to you OP, the answer to this question ain't any different than the topic you made days ago asking how this (and the adjacent events) would affect Nintendo's reputation.

 

[Niosai]

Nintendo will unfortunately continue to live in 1889. Smash tournaments will have to continue being an underground thing.

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I guess users on this forum will outright insult and demean a vibrant and thriving community, too, based on responses this thread has already gotten. ):

 

[kirby_fox]

You're not going to get Nintendo to suddenly change their minds on a mod that let's one of their games be played online for a paid tourney. Even if it's almost 20 years old.

I'm sure it's all about it being a paid tourney that's online. Maybe a free invite-only event would work?

 

[Rotobit]

I think it's inevitable that Nintendo re-releases Melee at some point, but not because of a fan campaign. It'll be something akin to the SNES Classic or the Mario Sunshine Switch port, bundled with other games and likely without online.

Nintendo very rarely caves to fan demand, the last time I remember it happening was Operation Rainfall and all things considered that wasn't even that big an ask, considering all of those games were already localized in Europe.

Could Nintendo just sue them for copying their mechanics? since Melee players like the game just how it is, a single change is not allowed and that's why many of them don't play the later Smash games or other similar games

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There are games like Rivals of Aether and the upcoming Fraymakers that outright use things like Wavedashing so I imagine Nintendo didn't patent any of the mechanics specifically. I'm not a die-hard Melee fan though so I'm not sure if those games are seen as viable replacements.

 

[Mesoian]

Could Nintendo just sue them for copying their mechanics? since Melee players like the game just how it is, a single change is not allowed and that's why many of them don't play the later Smash games or other similar games

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No, nintendo doesn't have a patent on movesets and fair use is still a thing. Rivals of Aether has been doing the not-melee thing for quite some time now with arguable success, but people aren't interested in making that a premiere game, they just want to stay with smash.

 

[Oregano]

Posted this earlier but pretty much every prominent Smash player who is involved has a Sephiroth reaction video:

Soo nothing really.

I've never been a Smash fan so grain of salt etc, but, wouldn't it be simpler at this point for the Melee fanbase to raise money to create their own game that plays like Melee but without all the nintendo stuff in it? Kind of like what Valve did with Dota 2. It just seems to me like the constant push and pull with Nintendo is more headache than its worth.

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There was a game called Icons that was pretty much exactly that IIRC.

 

[Oscarzx n]

With all due respect to you OP, the answer to this question ain't any different than the topic you made days ago asking how this (and the adjacent events) would affect Nintendo's reputation.

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Probably, but I wanted to ask for something more specific, but if the mods think this is too repetitive I don't have issue with that

 

[btkadams]

Nothing will happen. Nintendo doesn't care.

 

[Dr. Dr. Dogtooth]

Soo nothing really.

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This image sums it up.

 

[BionicDreamer]

Nintendon't care.

 

[Mesoian]

Nintendo will unfortunately continue to live in 1889. Smash tournaments will have to continue being an underground thing.

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I guess users on this forum will outright insult and demean a vibrant and thriving community, too, based on responses this thread has already gotten. ):

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I mean at a certain point, if Nintendo doesn't want the game in question to be successful on that level, it makes sense for that community to move away from Nintendo all together and circle around someone who's going to foster their needs and wants.

But they don't. And this cycle of abuse continues ad nauesum.

 

[Rosebud]

Nada.

 

[collige]

Best case scenario I see is Nintendo backing down and actually leaving the scene alone instead of the strange interactions they've been doing up until now. Either that or someone manages to take Nintendo to court over streaming rights and win, but that would be be extremely hard for a number of reasons.

Could Nintendo just sue them for copying their mechanics? since Melee players like the game just how it is, a single change is not allowed and that's why many of them don't play the later Smash games or other similar games

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This is not true at all as evidenced by the tons of mods that people use

I've never been a Smash fan so grain of salt etc, but, wouldn't it be simpler at this point for the Melee fanbase to raise money to create their own game that plays like Melee but without all the nintendo stuff in it? Kind of like what Valve did with Dota 2. It just seems to me like the constant push and pull with Nintendo is more headache than its worth.

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There hasn't been any games that mimic existing characters 1 to 1, the closest was Icons which ended up flopping like HoN did afaik. It wasn't a direct port like Dota 2 and tried making new characters while also having a shitty F2P model.

 

[Professor Beef]

If anything, I think Melee fans will just take the wrong message from all this, in that they think all Melee tournaments are forbidden. When really, the lesson is "don't look for Nintendo sponsorship/money when running an online tournament while using emulators."

 

[Oscarzx n]

Best case scenario I see is Nintendo backing down and actually leaving the scene alone instead of the strange interactions they've been doing up until now. Either that or someone manages to take Nintendo to court over streaming rights and win, but that would be be extremely hard for a number of reasons.


This is not true at all as evidenced by the tons of mods that people use

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I was thinking about a pure competitive level, but I don't know that much about it so maybe

 

[Glio]

It will become a residual annoyance as the people who monitor everything that the official Pokémon account tweets to put the Dexit hastag.

 

[collige]

I was thinking about a pure competitive level, but I don't know that much about it so maybe

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UCF is a mod that was being used in tournaments well before the pandemic and international players were already used to switching between PAL and NTSC where there are actual balance changes. There's also a ton of well known bugs and inconsistencies that absolutely no one would complain about being fixed.

 

[Jaded Alyx]

OP, your threads read like you're living in a serious bubble.

 

[Deleted member 864]

Nothing will happen.

 

[WindUp]

If anything, I think Melee fans will just take the wrong message from all this, in that they think all Melee tournaments are forbidden. When really, the lesson is "don't look for Nintendo sponsorship/money when running an online tournament while using emulators."

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I think a more accurate statement is "Don't run a tournament using emulators under a brand previously sponsored by Nintendo" (The Big House folks did not look for money or sponsorship from Nintendo for this iteration of the event), but agree with everything else you've said in this thread.

 

[Ovvv]

Nintendo doesn't care and they have the most active apologist fanbase in my experience so I expect nothing to happen. Just a hashtag.

 

[Xterrian]

OP, your threads read like you're living in a serious bubble.

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This.

It also doesn't help when you have prominent figures in the movement like Hungrybox doing stuff like what that one pic showed. Or not updating/informing his audience of a scumbag who takes advantage of a dead person, despite using said scumbag to help gain more support for the movement.

 

[Thagirion]

Nothing hopefully Op

 

[Apollo]

Nothing positive will happen. Bridges may be burned.

 

[TreIII]

It'll fizzle out and die, then people will realize that they are able to stream Melee without Nintendo sponsoring any events and life will go on.

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And we're done.

 

[Aronleon]

Same thing we all told you was gonna happen on the other thread, no one cares and now that Sephy is has been announced everyone but the most hard core people that hate nintedo will move on.

 

[LSauchelli]

The best they can hope for is for Nintendo to re-release Meele as a Switch title. I doubt it'll ever happen, though.

 

[Oscarzx n]

Same thing we all told you was gonna happen on the other thread, no one cares and now that Sephy is has been announced everyone but the most hard core people that hate nintedo will move on.

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I think you are right, I don't think I should have done this thread, or I should have done it with other approach. I don't think I should ask you this but how can I close a thread? I don't see how can I do that

 

[Dyle]

There will be some great tournaments and a bunch of money will be raised for charity. Of course Nintendo's not going to change, but imagine if all that happened and they did actually change some of their policies?

 

[WestEgg]

The best they can hope for is for Nintendo to re-release Meele as a Switch title. I doubt it'll ever happen, though.

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I guarantee if Melee is ever ported or released, the changes in input latency for HD TVs alone will ensure it's rejected by the competitive community.