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What happened to Human Head and Prey 2 was a travesty and Bethesda should be ashamed

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zombiejames

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tl;dr Prey 2 was announced, looked amazing. Bethesda wanted to buy the studio but the studio wasn't interested, so Bethesda intentionally fucked with milestones, deadlines, and budgets to force them to sell. Prey 2 was scrapped and Bethesda handed it off to Arkane, where it became a generic sci-fi shooter.

The title really says it all. The original Prey 2 sounded (and still sounds) amazing and how Bethesda treated Human Head was bullshit. I have no idea what kind of studio would work with Bethesda after an incident like this one, and I'm glad Obsidian walked away from New Vegas unscathed.
 
NMFried

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While I agree that hostile behavior is bad, I wouldn't call what we got a generic sci-fi shooter by any means. I have trouble calling it a shooter at all.

It is a truly unique game from the crew at Arkane.
 
Alex840

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What Arcane did with Prey was create a masterpiece and Bethesda should be proud.
 
Swarley133

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It may have been a shitty situation... but Arkane's Prey is anything but a "generic sci-fi shooter" lol. It was a damn fantastic game.
 
Dukie85

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I will never not miss Prey 2... The new Prey game doesn't interest me in the least, so I'll always be sad at what could've been.
 
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I feel like in a way what they did with the Prey name ended up hurting two games/studios. Because Arkane's game had a constant comment/joke from the media about how unrelated it was to the original Prey. I really loved the first Prey and just had no interest with the new one. Not because it was "a generic sci-fi shooter." It just wasn't for me but I know it was a well made game.
 
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zombiejames said:
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tl;dr Prey 2 was announced, looked amazing. Bethesda wanted to buy the studio but the studio wasn't interested, so Bethesda intentionally fucked with milestones, deadlines, and budgets to force them to sell. Prey 2 was scrapped and Bethesda handed it off to Arkane, where it became a generic sci-fi shooter.

The title really says it all. The original Prey 2 sounded (and still sounds) amazing and how Bethesda treated Human Head was bullshit. I have no idea what kind of studio would work with Bethesda after an incident like this one, and I'm glad Obsidian walked away from New Vegas unscathed.
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Fuck you and your shitty thread. You have no idea what you're talking about.
 
Doomguy Fieri

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zombiejames said:
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tl;dr Prey 2 was announced, looked amazing. Bethesda wanted to buy the studio but the studio wasn't interested, so Bethesda intentionally fucked with milestones, deadlines, and budgets to force them to sell. Prey 2 was scrapped and Bethesda handed it off to Arkane, where it became a generic sci-fi shooter.

The title really says it all. The original Prey 2 sounded (and still sounds) amazing and how Bethesda treated Human Head was bullshit. I have no idea what kind of studio would work with Bethesda after an incident like this one, and I'm glad Obsidian walked away from New Vegas unscathed.
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Prey was actually the game of the year, so....
 
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zombiejames said:
Prey 2 was scrapped and Bethesda handed it off to Arkane, where it became a generic sci-fi shooter
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Your thread should be locked for this statement alone.

You're in love with the idea that a CONCEPT trailer presented to you and are displaying your argument with utmost ignorance.
 
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Yeah Prey 2017 is fantastic and that comment makes me want to straight up ignore this thread.
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Agree Prey was good although i thought combat was terrible, the rest of the game though was ace. Definitely do not agree with OP at all.

I wish they called it something else then Prey though.
 

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Prey 2017 was good but it should have been called something else. Prey 2 should have come out and fuck Bethesda for what happened to it and Human Head.

It gets worse when they claimed it wasn't a good quality game only to release Fallout 76 years later. All they did was screw over Arkane and HH.
 
xerzewatt

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There was no need to name the 2017 game Prey but it is one of the best games of recent years so yeah OP is wrong.
 
CommodoreKong

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Prey 2017 was an immersive sim masterpiece and I'm happy we got it instead of a generic sci-fi shooter like Prey 2.
 
DSP

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Human Head, the developers of The Quiet Man.

and let's not pretend first Prey wasn't a bad game that was in development hell for a million years. Maybe the studio is the problem and whatever overly ambtious footage they show wasn't actually real. It was a last gen game ffs, of course it was fake AF.
 
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I know this is already what the thread is now about, but don't blame Arkane and it's great game for Bethesda's shithousery. Arkane gave us a great game that is called Prey, and while we might be better off with it having another name and Prey 2 coming out from Human Head, that's not what we got. What we got is a solid immersive sim with good storytelling, environments, characters, and abilities. And Mooncrash.

Bethesda is bullshit, but Arkane is good.
 
funky

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I dotn know why a independent studio would ever work with Bethesda considering their track record.


I'm just waiting for the shoe to drop with rage 2 and avalanche where Bethesda pulls some shady shit on them
 
Baji Boxer

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Arkane's Prey was the opposite of a generic sci-fi shooter. Still, I was pretty excited about Prey 2 before Bethesda's fuckery.
 
Shake Appeal

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Prey 2017 was the closest thing we've ever gotten to System Shock 3.

It's not too late to pull the ripcord here.
 
Magic Mushroom

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"A generic sci-fi shooter."

Arkane's Prey is not a shooter but a superb immersive sim with tons of player options and fantastic level design.

It's one of the best games of this generation.
 

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You just kneecapped your own arguments by completely misrepresenting Arkane's version of Prey. There was nothing fucking generic about it, everything presentation wise and design-wise was both an advancement and a throwback to more simulation focused type shooters.

There's this extremely weird revisionist history type thing with Prey 2. We don't even know if Prey 2 would have been good beyond high ambition and concepts, with some examples, but there's no telling what the final product would have been like. Personally, it seems like a game who's reach exceeded its grasp at the time, something like that now would probably be a lot more feasible technically. I could be completely talking out of my ass and it would have been a flawless technical and gameplay masterpiece, but I really don't think so. Not to be completely rude and dismissive to a studio of I'm sure talented people, but I'm not sure I would point out Human Head's track record as being able to flawlessly accomplish something that Prey 2 seemed to be aiming for in scope.

If I can move past being extremely pissy though, I'll say that yes, any kind of manipulation tactics that screws a studio extremoh deplorable by a publisher. The sad part is that this is not an uncommon practice, this just happened to be a more public example of it getting out.
 
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I'm going to ignore the thread backfire and say that I'd like to see MS pick them up.
 
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zombiejames said:
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Prey 2017 was insanely good, and if you want to play it like a shooter, well good fucking luck. If they scrapped Human Head's Prey 2, maybe it was for a good reason. Friendly reminder that Human Head made The Quiet Man.
 
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