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ScarJo reteams with GitS director for something else ill-conceived
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The person she will be portraying was born with female sex organs and presumably lived as a woman for a time before transitioning. Do we need two different actors in this film if there are scenes that play out pre-transition? This is a ridiculous argument.
No, you need someone who doesn't want to be a woman, preferably a trans guy. If you really, really need to cast a cis person, then a cis guy.
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At some point, the posters here will recognise that acting as something they're not is the job of an actor. And that most audiences will recognise this isn't a documentary.
The way some posters here are acting would severely limit the roles available to LBGTQ actors like Neil Patrick Harris and Ellen Page.
Stop being dumb, Era.
When pretending to be another person (also known as acting), sometimes it's about casting the best actor for the job.
The way some posters here are acting would severely limit the roles available to LBGTQ actors like Neil Patrick Harris and Ellen Page.
Stop being dumb, Era.
When pretending to be another person (also known as acting), sometimes it's about casting the best actor for the job.
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Ok, maybe, but what exactly do we know about the person being portrayed? Do we know that this person never wanted to be a woman?
This so-called ridiculous scenario is exactly what Orange is the New Black for pre-transition scenes in the episode directed by Jodie Foster.
The difference being that when LGBTQ people tell our own stories, the concerns of the community aren't immediately mocked as ridiculous.
Bingo. Also casting two different actors for pre and post transistion isn't hard. It's been done before. It's literally no more difficult than casting a child version of a character for flashbacks.
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So what you are saying is cis actresses should be able to play cis male roles and cis actors cis female roles if they are good at their job?
If you do I can see how you also think it's ok for a cis woman to play a trans man.
Otherwise it would be perferable if a trans man is played by a trans man or at least a cis man.
I think the studio recognizes the commercial value of this film as "See ScarJo play way out of type". Which, is almost certainly accurate. They could cast a trans actor in this and probably garner some acclaim, but do you think as many people are going to show up?
That might be coldly cynical but it is how these studios work.
That might be coldly cynical but it is how these studios work.
I kinda liked Ghost in the Shell. It had superb art and atmosphere. Too bad the directing wasn't.
In regards to the locale and scarlet, they were fucked either way.
Edit: This movie will be too, by the looks of it.
In regards to the locale and scarlet, they were fucked either way.
Edit: This movie will be too, by the looks of it.
It will be crap like everything else Sanders directs
Lol at Johannson going with another controversial casting choice with the director too, shes such a moron. I dont think it's that big a deal tho, but she should have seen people would be upset about this. Why do this for such a wack director to boot
Lol at Johannson going with another controversial casting choice with the director too, shes such a moron. I dont think it's that big a deal tho, but she should have seen people would be upset about this. Why do this for such a wack director to boot
Trans men do not ever want to be women. They wouldn't be trans if they did.
I get it. But.
If people were speaking negatively about me right now, I'm not sure Tambor and Leto are the people I would want to be mentally associated with.
"I'm a very good person who makes really good decisions, just like everyone thinks of these two guys."
Maybe she took the role because she isn't living in 2018 with the rest of us.
I accept the argument that it might be better if it was a male actor though. I don't really have any issues with it being ScarJo outside of the fact that she isn't a good actor, but as you say, this way more people will see it.
Yes, who here didn't know acting is about pretending to be something you're not? Come on guys! That's why we routinely cast white folks as people of color, it's about the acting job! We all know only cis white folks are great actors!
The whitewashing turned out to be a twist in the story though. Otherwise you would have assumed she was the Asian girl.
Did you purposefully leave out the fact that she also referenced Felicity Huffman in addition to Tambor and Leto?
I would imagine this story is going to take place both before and after transition, though. So easier to for a woman to play a pre-and-post transition FTM than a man.
Also, it's really bizarre to frame this as "she hasn't had the experience of living as a trans man". As if John Travolta shouldn't be allowed to play straight people his whole career or something. I get why this is thorny, but that's a really poor way to try to frame the argument.
It's a joke, my dude.
Her argument is shit for the reasons I've already outlined in this thread, over and over. It's just extra funny because 2/3 of the people cited as an excuse are just as shitty as her defense.
I just posted that screenshot in my PR Whatsapp group, let's just say my friends are cackling like witches. That's 100% ScarJo commenting.
The character seems like he'd be pre-transition for most the film (so biologically female), and it'd be towards the end of the story that he becomes male. I get why they've cast a woman. It'd be a bit unusual to cast a male and have them pretending to be female for 75% of the film, even if that male is trans themselves.
It's an interesting story anyway. Looking forward to the film.
The character seems like he'd be pre-transition for most the film (so biologically female), and it'd be towards the end of the story that he becomes male. I get why they've cast a woman. It'd be a bit unusual to cast a male and have them pretending to be female for 75% of the film, even if that male is trans themselves.
It's an interesting story anyway. Looking forward to the film.
It was a dumb twist that was a poor attempt to handwave the whitewashing. If you want to see a decent attempt to do the same thing than go watch Altered Carbon.
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Glad I can completely abandon hope for/interest in the Black Widow film and anything else she's involved with now. At least something good came from today
Can't speak for everyone (obviously) but as a bi dude (who tends more toward feminine expressions) I've had to act "straight" for most of my life, and still do depending on the situation, because Texas can really suck. This is true of many of my lgbt friends / family (not all, again not speaking for everyone). The societal power dynamics are different when a gay guy plays a straight character versus the inverse situation.
Black Widow not happening isn't because she doesn't want to do it. I'm sure she does, as it's easily a $30M+ payday. The issue is Disney doesn't want to.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't they looked for an Asian American actress for Gits but couldn't find anyone that fit and didn't have a "thick accent"? Or am I thinking of another movie? I swear I didn't dream this.
That's such a bullshit excuse lol
The Black Widow movie is probably happening. They've been looking hard for a director for it recently.
It's snark. She's saying all 3 won major awards for portraying trans characters, and she's going to win one too for this, so "haters can smoke a blunt L" basically. She's said "deal with it... and then some".
Kate Winslet: "I've made some bad role choices lately."
Scarlett Johansson: "Hold my beer."
Scarlett Johansson: "Hold my beer."
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This isn't the same as whitewashing. This isn't Kingsley playing Gandhi or Emma Stone playing a Vietnamese girl where the artificiality of it is obnoxiously front and centre and there is no reason those characters couldn't have been played by a myriad of suitably talented actors that would better fit the role.
Scarlet after reading all these mean tweets
Pretty sure scarlets the only reason why GitS made more than $0.
Pretty sure scarlets the only reason why GitS made more than $0.
While we are at it, why did they cast Charlize Theron as Aileen Wuornos in Monster ?
Why did they have to pick a gorgeous woman and turn her into an ugly one ?
If ugly people can't even be cast to play ugly characters what's left for them ?
Seriously though, this is off topic but that got me thinking...is there a famous, young and talented female actor who isn't good looking ?
Why did they have to pick a gorgeous woman and turn her into an ugly one ?
If ugly people can't even be cast to play ugly characters what's left for them ?
Seriously though, this is off topic but that got me thinking...is there a famous, young and talented female actor who isn't good looking ?
Sure, and I'm not sure I buy it, but I could see the frustration in making an earnest effort to be progressive and then getting no one that fits the role if it is indeed true.
But really, I'm not actually trying to justify it as much as figure out where the hell I heard it from and if I'm thinking of another movie. Does anyone know what I'm talking about?
There is a saying that it's not a case of Hollywood getting prettier, but the average person getting uglier and fatter. Being "pretty" isn't a key factor anymore. Agents and managers pick talent based on whether they have Big Dick Energy or not.
Why I understand some people that want a trans actress to play the role I have to ask, should we simply restrict actors/actresses to ONLY playing roles that are what they are themselves? So no men playing women or vice versa, no one playing ANYTHING but what they are themselves?
One of the main points of being an actor is that you can take on roles that are different then just playing "yourself," that's what the challenge of acting is and what some actors strive to do, playing roles that are vastly different from themselves and other characters that they've played.
I think it's a bit short sighted to suggest that actors/actresses should only be allowed to play a role that requires them to play "themselves" and stick to roles that require them to look like..themselves.
So no to The Adventures of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert, To Wong Fo, The Crying Game, etc?
Though looking at the real life person, I think Lea DeLaria would have been a decent choice for the role.
One of the main points of being an actor is that you can take on roles that are different then just playing "yourself," that's what the challenge of acting is and what some actors strive to do, playing roles that are vastly different from themselves and other characters that they've played.
I think it's a bit short sighted to suggest that actors/actresses should only be allowed to play a role that requires them to play "themselves" and stick to roles that require them to look like..themselves.
So no to The Adventures of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert, To Wong Fo, The Crying Game, etc?
Though looking at the real life person, I think Lea DeLaria would have been a decent choice for the role.
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It's made a lot of money. Just none of it theatrically. I wouldn't be surprised if they make a sequel.Scarlet after reading all these mean tweets
Pretty sure scarlets the only reason why GitS made more than $0.
So should a black actor who's never been a slave be allowed to play a slave? Should a white American be allowed to play an irishman? I feel like we're losing sight of something fundamental here, which is that we have to give the actual art a chance to speak for itself.
I think when you cast someone who isn't trans in a trans role, especially with a cis writer and director, you open yourself to a lot of additional scrutiny and that's fair. But if the portrayal itself is both sensitive and convincing, I really don't see why this HAS to be a problem. I think people playing in-type have an advantage and playing out of type raises additional challenges, but that's a really bad argument for why no one should ever attempt it.
I have far less of a problem with this role than I do with changing the ethnicity of Ghost in the Shell (even though it could make sense there too since Mokoto's body is just her shell, and could really be anything. Same goes for stuff like the sleeves in Altered Carbon).
Also...couldn't they have come up with a better movie name than Rub & Tug?!
Also...couldn't they have come up with a better movie name than Rub & Tug?!
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