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Basileus777

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Do you guys not realize that English is an evolving language?

What else do you call a repetitive task that is not automated?

Manual vs. Automatic is a very common concept. E.g. Manual gear shifting vs automatic gear shifting.

Manual is the perfect word in this instance. Call it work rather than labour if it's that offensive.
Evolving language depends on common usage of words and this is not how manual labor is used by people.
 

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Manual work doesn't just mean working at a coal mine. It also means work that is not automated.

And it is especially annoying when it can be automated. Y'all keep being cynical, but I'm sure you guys aren't manually compiling your own codes or hunting your own cows to make some burgers.

...then literally every single thing a human does is manual labor.

That's a really dumb definition of manual labor.
 

captive

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Do you guys not realize that English is an evolving language?

What else do you call a repetitive task that is not automated?

Manual vs. Automatic is a very common concept. E.g. Manual gear shifting vs automatic gear shifting.

Manual is the perfect word in this instance. Call it work rather than labour if it's that offensive.
human intervened repetitive task quality control. Boom, perfect name right here.
 

TheClaw7667

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Manual labour (in British English, manual labor in American English) or manual work is physical work done by people, most especially in contrast to that done by machines, and to that done by working animals. It is most literally work done with the hands (the word "manual" comes from the Latin word for hand), and, by figurative extension, it is work done with any of the muscles and bones of the body

Really? I mean.
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Nostremitus

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That's doesn't remotely qualify as manual labor.

It's a series of manual tasks, but there's nothing laborious about those tasks.
 
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God damn the snark and arrogance from your posts is astounding. I'm glad you're being taken to task in this thread.
Sorry. I wasn't trying to be snarky or arrogant. The fact is that I explained why I used the term, which while technically correct, is not used this way. It's not really a discussion worth having when I was asking something completely different.

I apologize for using a term incorrectly and hope people forgive me and help me discuss my actual problem, which some users did by suggesting some tools for it.
 

Cvie

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Oct 25, 2017
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I was going to come in and tell the story about having to triple handle 5 tons of 50kg bags of animal feed because they weren't stacked properly the first time and then over-stacked as to be too heavy per pallet the second time but I don't think this is the thread for that.
 

exodus

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Oct 25, 2017
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Wonder if they'd give it to me instead if I showed them this thread and told them I'd do the same work without complaining. I could always use a third job...

Anyway, best of luck with that OP.

What is with people's opposition to automating simple repetitive tasks?

My job relies on me automating stupid shit like this. If I manually did all the menial work I have to do, I would never do any meaningful work.
 
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What is with people's opposition to automating simple repetitive tasks?

My job relies on me automating stupid shit like this. If I manually did all the menial work I have to do, I would never do any meaningful work.
public sumSomeNumbers(int first, int second){
if(first == 1 && second == 1){ return 2 }
if(first == 1 && second == 2){ return 3 }
if(first == 2 && second == 2){ return 4 }
}
 

NamasteWager

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Sorry. I wasn't trying to be snarky or arrogant. The fact is that I explained why I used the term, which while technically correct, is not used this way. It's not really a discussion worth having when I was asking something completely different.

I apologize for using a term incorrectly and hope people forgive me and help me discuss my actual problem, which some users did by suggesting some tools for it.

I think the thing is that you are doing a job that is tedious, and you don't like that. That is fine, but that part of your job sounds like its a big part. If you automate that aspect of it, you free up a lot of time, but what happens when there is nothing left to fill that void? You may automate yourself out of the job. And, if you don't have direct access to the CMS, there is probably a good reason for that. When dealing with things like a CMS, there are so many things you can do, which is great, but having the knowledge to know you shouldn't do them, as it can cause harm other places is where the difficulty comes in.
 

ScatheZombie

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Oct 26, 2017
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Why does wanting to automate the process make him lazy? He's trying to automate a tedious manual task, which is what any resourceful person should attempt to do in this case.

It doesn't. I never called him lazy.

Those goddamn millennials! Won't even do redundant work that is unrelated to their career! Ungrateful punks!

Look, I don't know you and vice-versa, so I'll try to explain: I was not hired to copy and paste text. I was hired as a reporter, and this busy work is getting in the way of my actual work. And like I said before, I have experience working with technology, and I worked with integrating systems like a CRM to a company's website before. I'm not complaining because I hate doing my work. I'm complaining because there are things that won't let me do my work, you understand?

... I'm a millennial. And most of my career has been finding ways to simplify or automate what I considered stupid, redundant, unnecessary, busy work. That's most professions. Ask anyone who's had nearly any career and they'll tell you about busy work that doesn't necessarily fit the exact definition of your job.

I get it. It sucks. You'd rather be doing what you consider the more important work, the more rewarding work, etc. I'm not insinuating that you are lazy or whatever. I'm saying, regardless of how you feel or think the situation should be... this is part of your job. And the attitude that this isn't, or shouldn't be, is wrong. The correct attitude, which you may actually have and just have poorly communicated (or I have poorly understood), is OK, I need to do this bullshit, how I can finish it in the easiest, simplest way with the tools I have. That may not be the actual best way to do it, you may not have the tools, you may not have the time, whatever hurdles are put in your way.

If that was the point of your thread, great. But what I heard was someone bitching about busy work and saying "It's not my job". And that's a shitty attitude that I deal with on a daily basis from coworkers who, if they put in any effort whatsoever, could easily find ways to make their work so much easier... but they'd rather just complain and defer because I'm a <whatever>, and that's not what I do! - which usually translates to "I'm above this". And you aren't.
 
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I think the thing is that you are doing a job that is tedious, and you don't like that. That is fine, but that part of your job sounds like its a big part. If you automate that aspect of it, you free up a lot of time, but what happens when there is nothing left to fill that void? You may automate yourself out of the job. And, if you don't have direct access to the CMS, there is probably a good reason for that. When dealing with things like a CMS, there are so many things you can do, which is great, but having the knowledge to know you shouldn't do them, as it can cause harm other places is where the difficulty comes in.
I'm aware of the risk, but that will probably happen one way or the other. One of our partners is already using an algorithm to publish simple stories, like stock exchange, how much is the bitcoin worth, etc.

Also, I was hired because I worked with programming before, so I'd like to at least try to automate some of the tasks (that aren't bad just for me, since it's a small company) and show my superiors that we could spend more time research good stories instead of just publishing small ones to keep our Facebook page updated.

And this is why I'm (now) doing it on a Node.js server. Instead of directly injecting posts on the CMS, I'll spend a few days making sure that I can parse every RSS entry correctly and then show the system to them. Maybe it won't even need to be directly on the CMS. Just formatting the post automatically and getting it from the source is good enough.

It doesn't. I never called him lazy.



... I'm a millennial. And most of my career has been finding ways to simplify or automate what I considered stupid, redundant, unnecessary, busy work. That's most professions. Ask anyone who's had nearly any career and they'll tell you about busy work that doesn't necessarily fit the exact definition of your job.

I get it. It sucks. You'd rather be doing what you consider the more important work, the more rewarding work, etc. I'm not insinuating that you are lazy or whatever. I'm saying, regardless of how you feel or think the situation should be... this is part of your job. And the attitude that this isn't, or shouldn't be, is wrong. The correct attitude, which you may actually have and just have poorly communicated (or I have poorly understood), is OK, I need to do this bullshit, how I can finish it in the easiest, simplest way with the tools I have. That may not be the actual best way to do it, you may not have the tools, you may not have the time, whatever hurdles are put in your way.

If that was the point of your thread, great. But what I heard was someone bitching about busy work and saying "It's not my job". And that's a shitty attitude that I deal with on a daily basis from coworkers who, if they put in any effort whatsoever, could easily find ways to make their work so much easier... but they'd rather just complain and defer because I'm a <whatever>, and that's not what I do! - which usually translates to "I'm above this". And you aren't.
I'm complaining that what I'm doing shouldn't be anyone's job. It's like compiling code. It's a repetitive chore that can easily be automated, and in most cases nowadays, is being automated. There are stories written by robots on CNN as well. That doesn't mean there's no place for people like Anthony Bourdain or Jim Acosta. It just means that they are doing what they can do as humans, instead of wasting time doing what a computer can do in less time.
 

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That's annoying but not annoying tedious manual labor which is actually garbage and makes you feel like shit after for minimum wage so
 
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You insist you're a journalist yet respond to criticism by citing wiki-fucking-pedia to prove that you're "technically correct"?

Be thankful they're giving you something to do.
 

Baka Sempai

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Oct 30, 2017
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I'm aware of the risk, but that will probably happen one way or the other. One of our partners is already using an algorithm to publish simple stories, like stock exchange, how much is the bitcoin worth, etc.

Also, I was hired because I worked with programming before, so I'd like to at least try to automate some of the tasks (that aren't bad just for me, since it's a small company) and show my superiors that we could spend more time research good stories instead of just publishing small ones to keep our Facebook page updated.

And this is why I'm (now) doing it on a Node.js server. Instead of directly injecting posts on the CMS, I'll spend a few days making sure that I can parse every RSS entry correctly and then show the system to them. Maybe it won't even need to be directly on the CMS. Just formatting the post automatically and getting it from the source is good enough.

Depending on the CMS you're working on (drupal, magento, wp) you can always install a plugin/RSS aggregator that will automatically pull from the RSS source and schedule the post for you, the formatting is configured through a single CSS that you can also modify with your own classes and you wont even need to monitor it. As soon as a new post is available, the plugin parses and immediately posts any data coming from one or multiple websites.

A node.js server for this is not only overkill, but if your internet at home goes out, say bye bye to your automated script.
 
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I would hesitate on automating this. Cross posting content without editorial involvement can always lead a problem. Headlines can change, content can change.

I say this as someone who worked at a large content site that had to pitch content to the main homepage team. Everything posted their went through some sort of editorial oversight.
 
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Depending on the CMS you're working on (drupal, magento, wp) you can always install a plugin/RSS aggregator that will automatically pull from the RSS source and schedule the post for you, the formatting is configured through a single CSS that you can also modify with your own classes and you wont even need to monitor it. As soon as a new post is available, the plugin parses and immediately posts any data coming from one or multiple websites.
Unfortunately, it's a custom one (it's not Redis, Keystone, Magento, Wordpress, anything). My best option is actually just formatting the actual post and then posting it there. The guy who suggested me Showdown saved my life. It's actually great for what I'm trying to do. I can parse everything into a single HTML page, probably using RSS or Atom, and then have a finished WYSIWYG page that I can publish if necessary.

I know that using Node.js is a risk, but I can just run it locally and also have a redundant version on Heroku or something. It's better than trying to learn Python, I think. The other option would be using RESTful and PHP to turn stuff into a JSON file, parse it locally and output a page, but that is just as much as an overkill.

I would hesitate on automating this. Cross posting content without editorial involvement can always lead a problem. Headlines can change, content can change.

I say this as someone who worked at a large content site that had to pitch content to the main homepage team. Everything posted their went through some sort of editorial oversight.
We usually cross post from our partners. My intention was to save everything that they post in our own CMS as a draft, so that I can choose to change the headlines and do some other checking before publishing.
 
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Sure. It's technically and literally correct, and you understand what I meant now, so I guess I'm not a hugely overentitled jackass to you anymore. Thanks.


Those goddamn millennials! Won't even do redundant work that is unrelated to their career! Ungrateful punks!

Look, I don't know you and vice-versa, so I'll try to explain: I was not hired to copy and paste text. I was hired as a reporter, and this busy work is getting in the way of my actual work. And like I said before, I have experience working with technology, and I worked with integrating systems like a CRM to a company's website before. I'm not complaining because I hate doing my work. I'm complaining because there are things that won't let me do my work, you understand?
I understand, just don't call it manual larbor. It's an insult to people who really labor all day. Inefficient work flow is the correct term like someone mentioned in the thread.
 

Joe2187

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Oct 25, 2017
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I dont get to sit down for 12 hours at my job. Hauling 50 to 60lbs of food up and down two flights of stairs and working as fast as possible in 110 degree heat kitchen cooking for up to 200 to 600 people a day while trying not to burn yourself, cut yourself.

And i think i have the easy job.
 

Cybersai

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This thread is unintentionally hilarious. Just think of what a serious thread this would be if he said "tedious" or "menial" instead of "manual" in the thread title
 

Nerdyone

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I used to work for my uncle's plumbing company. We had to literally dig ditches for 8 hours a day .That's manual labor.

Now I stare at spreadsheets all day. Sometimes I have to do some vb coding to automate a process. That's not manual labor.
 
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I wake up every single day, at 3 AM, and pick up a boulder using my bare feet. I use it to flex in preparation for my actual work. Then I eat the boulder. That's usually my only meal of the day.

I then swim five hundred nautical miles, jump into a volcano and start assembling iPhone 3G parts. Then I have to melt them using my own body temperature and turn them into a Huawei phone. I usually do this while lifting a few blue whales and fighting some orcas. I also don't have an AC in my office.

I do all that and the japanese government pays me 2 yen per month. Now that's work.
 

exodus

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Oct 25, 2017
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They really should call it tedious transmission and not manual transmission.

I get into the guts of the car and change the gears myself. That's a true manual transmission.
 

RedMercury

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Dec 24, 2017
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Lmao "womp womp" is alt right now? Oh noes the nazis are coming for our comedy noises! What a tragedy!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-and-pulling-a-gun-on-immigration-protesters/

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...-downs-syndrome-family-separated-border-video

(Mod Edit: 3 Links removed. Please do not link to r/the_donald, even for demonstrative purposes.)

I don't think it always has to mean that but there is an association recently, that is undeniable. Can't fault someone for being a bit hurt by hearing it when it's associated with hatred.
 
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Ogre

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Cool, so we are already to the point where we are implicitly talking about what "real" work is? Or are we just at the point where we imply white collar work isn't hard, or that blue collar work doesn't require intelligence?
 

julia crawford

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RSS to JSON to mustache/handlebars is probably easy to set up

Funny thing is that in the context of code doing things manually is exactly what the OP said it is
 
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Cool, so we are already to the point where we are implicitly talking about what "real" work is? Or are we just at the point where we imply white collar work isn't hard, or that blue collar work doesn't require intelligence?
We are currently discussing whether the term "womp womp" can be associated to the alt-right or not. I'm not gonna say anything about how I'm a black man being called lazy by random dudes on the internet, of course.

RSS to JSON to mustache/handlebars is probably easy to set up

Funny thing is that in the context of code doing things manually is exactly what the OP said it is
I have never heard about Handlebars. I will try that as well. Thanks!
 

FUME5

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Cool, so we are already to the point where we are implicitly talking about what "real" work is? Or are we just at the point where we imply white collar work isn't hard, or that blue collar work doesn't require intelligence?

Dunno, I've got a permenant spinal injury from loading sea containers with railway sleepers, a little more 'manual' than the labour op is (hilariously) complaining about.

EDIT

Oh wow, OP brought race into the mix. Can this thread reach peak Era status?
 
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Goldenroad

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Wow. I literally broke my foot tearing down a scaffold four weeks ago. Just finally getting over the pain. You're talking about writing articles on a computer?

shaking_head_breaking_bad.gif
 

Ogre

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We are currently discussing whether the term "womp womp" can be associated to the alt-right or not. I'm not gonna say anything about how I'm a black man being called lazy by random dudes on the internet, of course.

Wow. I literally broke my foot tearing down a scaffold four weeks ago. Just finally getting over the pain. You're talking about writing articles on a computer?

shaking_head_breaking_bad.gif

Idk OP,I think we are reaching blue collar vs white collar pretty quick.

Dunno, I've got a permenant spinal injury from loading sea containers with railway sleepers, a little more 'manual' than the labour op is (hilariously) complaining about.

EDIT

Oh wow, OP brought race into the mix. Can this thread reach peak Era status?

To be fair, OP did correct himself a bit back. Sorry about your injury, tho.
 

Mammoth Jones

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The Fuck. Go work a job where you're on your feet 8 hours a day lifting with your legs to ensure you don't destroy your back.

Then come back and complain. Christ.
 

FUME5

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