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Organic Webshooters > Mechanical
- Thread starter rude
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For what they wanted to tell in spider Man 1 and 2, it was absolutely the best choiceBless you OP.
A million times harder to accept than a radio active spider biting a person and giving them web spinners on their wrists?
I can understand people having a preference... but the arguments of "Your idea of something fantastical is farcical while mine is fantastic!" is pretty silly.
Why can't he shoot the venom from his wrists?
That is Miguel's schtick
Did you just ignore the part where I pointed out why he couldn't sell it? Lol
And eh. When Peter runs his own company, he makes plenty off other tech. Even if he could've sold the web fluid formula, I don't think having that be an out there product would make him all that unique.
If Thomas and Martha Wayne were shot with radioactive bullets, would they have developed the ability to fire organic bullets before they succumbed to their injuries?
I don't Batman invented the boomarang or the throwing knife
I prefer organic. I'm fine with Peter inventing mechanical web-shooters, but then you have to drop the storyline that he's poor. Inventing an incredibly-strong gossamer-thin temporary glue that evaporates, along with a miniaturized delivery system, is a billion-dollar industrial product. Superior Spider-Man got that aspect of the character right.
But in both cases you have to accept the very concept of the character, which is that there's a guy that got bit by a radioactive spider and got several of the abilities of a spider. The difference is with organic shooters, the suspension of disbelief stops there because that's part of a spider's abilities. With mechanical shooters, you have to accept an additional ridiculous concept.
At least Batwing had a jetpack.Why is Batman 2050 the only one that flies?
And yet Arnold Palmer gets all the credit for mixing lemonade and iced tea.
Except as multiple people have said, spiders don't actually 'shoot' webs.
So, he would still need a miniaturized delivery system for his organic webs to do any of his more iconic moves.
What about the part where Spider-Man has precognitive powers? Shouldn't that require yet another layer of suspension of disbelief for you?
NVM that's an Orb weaver and is pretty cool actually.
It's still an exception to the rule though. Hell, do we even know if this species of spider was known in 1962?
I just watched this episode for the first time a couple days ago, currently working through the series, it's amazing. So many parodies!
So water hand Aquaman better than both human hands aquaman?
I will never understand how that hand works underwater
That doesn't make any sense. Spiders shoot webs. Bats don't shoot bats.
Ultimate Spider-Man does a lot of things right, and one of them is that the web fluid was a project Peter's dad had been toying with that Peter eventually cracks. So he's still smart, but it's not "I created something brand new"-smart but rather "I did the last 5% of the work on something my PhD father whom I idolize did most of the work on"-smart.
...the narrator says that the breeze does the work. Pretty sure if she tried to do that in still air it would go a few inches, tops.
Okay, I am at work and couldn't listen to the audio. This makes a LOT more sense. I was wondering how the physics of it worked and started looking at Wikipedia to no avail.
No, they don't. Or most of them don't.
Spiders spin webs then slowly manipulate them to build webs.
Ground Spiders can do shotgun like blasts of sticky silk to catch prey, but as a trade-off they can't build normal webs which is why they are called ground spiders.
Are you saying that Peter is throwing organic WIND as well ? Mindblowned.
But Peter Parker's spider sense doesn't actually work that way, he can actually see into the future it a limited form.
Batman shooting out bats makes about as much sense as a spider that shoots webs out of it's legs. And spiders don't shoot webs, that video posted in this thread is of a spider extruding threads from it's spinnerets and using the wind to carry those threads long distances, which isn't the same as shooting webs at high velocities.
New idea: Spider-Man can spin organic webs, but he needs fans mounted on his wrists to blow the webs in the direction that he wants.
At this point, you guys are cherry-picking exaggerated details based on reality to defend something incredibly far-fetched based on nothing. No one is saying Spider-Man works exactly like a spider, but all his abilities stem from something spiders are known for. Organic web shooters fit right in with everything else about him. Mechanical web shooters are a ridiculous concept.
Considering that Batman doesn't have powers, I don't see how you can equate those two things with a straight face.
You're thinking about it wrong, they should appear wherever he can use them with the most dexterity. Spiders can move their web butts around and pull web out with there rear legs basically using them like hands.
Peters wrists = spider butts
My point is that Spider-Man is just spider themed, just like Batman is bat themed or Antman is ant themed, he doesn't need to literally have every spider ability. Peter Parker chose to build web shooters because it fit his motif. He could carry around a bow and arrow like Hawkeye, but that wouldn't fit his theme, so he doesn't.
You aren't 'wrong' in that it's technically possible to apply logic that since his powers are biological then he should be given organic webs.
Which would mean he could spin webs, not shoot them. There is a big difference there.
Spiders tend to spin webs, and then just let wind and gravity do the work for them when creating webs.
Which would basically make web-slinging an impossibility in its current form.
I guess he could spin up a web first, then climb up to a building, anchor it, and then swing down.
Not quite as exciting, huh?
I mean, this entire discussion is an interesting thought experiment, but I worry for anyone who actually thinks
a change like this would improve on the character.
If some of you had a say in Spidey's creation back in the 60s, you would have probably managed the amazing feat of sabotaging
what was to become one of the most iconic and popular characters on the planet.
Not in all incarnations of the character. I can't remember an instance in the movies where Peter was seeing into the future. He always reacts to stuff that's already set in motion or happening in the distance. In fact, in Infinity War you even see the hair raising on his arm.
Again, nobody is saying Spider-Man works or should work exactly like a spider. Every ability that he has is based on abilities spiders have but they are tweaked for dramatic purposes. The point is Spider-Man shooting webs fits right in with everything else about him, and you guys are trying to argue that "Nuh-uh, it doesn't work exactly like that in real life, therefore this ridiculously convoluted explanation is superior." It's just stupid as hell. I don't know if it's because you guys grew up with those incarnations of the character that you feel like you have to go to these lengths to defend the sheer idiocy of that idea when a better explanation exists and was used in highly successful Spider-Man works, but it's insane that you can't accept how much simpler and more logical organic web shooters are. It shouldn't even be a debate.
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Should have had a story line where Peter's business partner names their newly patented web fluid "webit". Then claims he invented it and screws Peter out of years of credit for his own work, when all his partner did was name it.
And yet here we are, and we're probably going to have this same thread again in ~6 months.
The irony in this post is palpable. Neither of the explanations are more convoluted than the other.
In one you have to suddenly assume that he would develop a biological power that doesn't have an actual counterpart in nature.
And in the other you have to assume he is just really smart and can invent things.
Both of these are leaps of faith, although I personally see the latter as being more logical since spiders don't actually have web-shooters.
They have web spinnerets. If you want to completely fall on logic for this discussion, the only logical choice for a biological web ability would be one that spiders actually have, spinnerets.
Also, the only other ability that is tweaked for dramatic effect is the spider-sense.
All of his other powers are literally the proportionate abilities of a spider. He doesn't get Superman level super-strength from the bite.
He gets the proportionate strength of a spider.
This debate is useless. There is no convincing you guys. Enjoy your mechanical web shooters.
If he gets every other feature if a spider, why wouldn't he get the ability to spin a web? Of course organic is much better, and makes more sense.
EDIT: I see that point was already brought up.
EDIT: I see that point was already brought up.