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Well it certainly can't get any worse down there so what do they have to lose? People are eating their pets because they're starving to death.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/zoo-animals-on-the-menu-as-venezuelans-starve
And some of this shit is exaggerated. You get non-stop propaganda about governments the US hates. You just have to be way more critical of these reports and anything that comes from the US press about nations with governments the US wants to topple.
Remember when twits claimed that Hillary would be warhawk who wants to start World War III through VII?

I REMEMBER!!!!
Hillary is a hawk though. Trump being a hawk doesn't make her not a hawk. Y'all need to chill with that meme. This doesn't make anyone who didn't vote for her regret not voting for her... like at all
 

linkboy

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What Latin America country did USA invade, and what went wrong?

Grenada in the 80's, Cuba (Bay of Pigs) in the 60's, just to name a couple. The US has also had their hands in working with rebellion groups to over throw governments that didn't align with US interests.

We've had our hands all over Central America for decades, sometimes to the detriment of the people living there.

An attack on Venezuela would just be another notch on that list.
 

_ifigured

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Its not a true republican administration if it doesn't start idiotic wars while still sitting on a dirty diaper full of decades worth of warmongering accusations.
 

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What Latin America country did USA invade, and what went wrong?
Panama. But it actually went well; the US removed the dictator and Panama regained its democracy.

In another administration, this might work, with a big question mark, but Trump and his admin, being complete incompetent morons, will probably make the situation worse.
 
Grenada in the 80's, Cuba (Bay of Pigs) in the 60's, just to name a couple. The US has also had their hands in working with rebellion groups to over throw governments that didn't align with US interests.

We've had our hands all over Central America for decades, sometimes to the detriment of the people living there.

An attack on Venezuela would just be another notch on that list.
There was sustained terror campaign against Cuba. And the world court found the US guilty of international terrorism due to it's actions in Nicaragua - sending in the Contras because they didn't get their way, murdering scores of people, putting mines off the coast and by their ports - it was a disgusting show of the terrorism the US claims to want to fight so badly. Here's a link to the ICJ ruling proclaiming the US guilty of terrorism. But of course, the US dismissed the ruling cause it gives no shit about international law, and just uses it as a justification to lecture others. American exceptionalism, if you will. There are so many more examples with Haiti, Ecuador, Peru, Chile, etc. The Monroe Doctrine is a policy the US has not abandoned... at all.
 

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Good. Venezuela is fucked up beyond repair and there's riots on the street because of the corruption, the income inequality and they're running out of water. It's going to lead to a North American migrant crisis. Remember, businesses pulled out over night as the state was failing.
http://theconversation.com/venezuela-how-a-water-crisis-brought-an-entire-country-to-its-knees-59932
American intervention in situations like that have never ever gone well. Usually we just end up causing warlords or ISIS
 

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What Latin America country did USA invade, and what went wrong?
the US has a history of interfering in Central America, South America and Caribbean by arming a faction in the military, opposing party or junta to install a US friendly dictator or regime.
http://listverse.com/2009/07/11/10-cases-of-american-intervention-in-latin-america/

Cuba, Gutamala, El Salvador, Honduras, Panama, Nicaragua, Dominican Republic, Haiti, Mexico, Grenada, Chile.....
 

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Hilarious part is that Trump just strengthens Maduro's regime in Venezuela when he says shit like this. Maduro is probably happy asf reading shit like this that he can use as propaganda. GG!
 

JohnsonUT

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Hilarious part is that Trump just strengthens Maduro's regime in Venezuela when he says shit like this. Maduro is probably happy asf reading shit like this that he can use as propaganda. GG!
This is the key. History shows us the surest way to unify a divided or struggling country is almost always the fear of a foreign invader.
 

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gutter_trash

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Panama. But it actually went well; the US removed the dictator and Panama regained its democracy.

In another administration, this might work, with a big question mark, but Trump and his admin, being complete incompetent morons, will probably make the situation worse.
to be fair, Manuel Noriega was a US installed dictator, and intelligence operative.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manuel_Noriega


George H. W. Bush used to be in the CIA in the 70s and had a relationship with Noriega.
Noriega was on the CIA payroll

President Bush 41 decided to intervene in Panama when their boy Noriega "disobeyed" and went off course.
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saying that the US liberated Panama by removing Noriega is kind funny since they were the ones who installed him in the first place
 
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Gwenpoolshark

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Good. Venezuela is fucked up beyond repair and there's riots on the street because of the corruption, the income inequality and they're running out of water. It's going to lead to a North American migrant crisis. Remember, businesses pulled out over night as the state was failing.
http://theconversation.com/venezuela-how-a-water-crisis-brought-an-entire-country-to-its-knees-59932

Will we be greeted as liberators just like we were in the now glorious and pacified Iraq?
 

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The violent capitalist opposition would love that for sure. They're US-backed after all
Not really, no. My city is getting an enormous influx of Venezuelan immigrants and their stories are a thing of terror. There is no such thing as a "capitalist opposition", Venezuela's rote is hitting the hard working people.

Maduro must go. By any means necessary.
 

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to fair, Manuel Noriega was a US installed dictator/

George H. W. Bush used to be in the CIA in the 70s and had a relationship with Noriega.

President Bush 41 decided to intervene in Panama when their boy Noriega "disobeyed" and went off course.
Yeah, I won't deny that he worked with the CIA, they put him there and Noriega decided to betray them. Thankfully, his stupidity gave the US a reason to invade us and get rid of him.

It is said that Noriega killed Omar Torrijos. I sometimes wonder if the US was behind that too. Noriega claimed that, but he was a known liar so his words didn't hold any merit.
 

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Venezuelans are starving, there's a severe scarcity, they have a dictator in power and they are desperate to flee their country. You know what would make things even better? An invasion! Yay, more guns! Let's add war to the mix. When has that ever gone wrong?

Not really, no. My city is getting an enormous influx of Venezuelan immigrants and their stories are a thing of terror. There is no such thing as a "capitalist opposition", Venezuela's rote is hitting the hard working people.

Maduro must go. By any means necessary.
While I agree Maduro needs to be removed, I don't think an invasion is the solution. So many innocents are going to be killed, there's no way to justify that.
 

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The violent capitalist opposition would love that for sure. They're US-backed after all

Violent capitalist opposition? I would advise you to shut the fuck up if you don't know what you are talking about. The situation in Venezuela is fucked beyond belief and families have been broken up, people dying for lack of medication, starvation, this is not your typical crisis. The "leaders" of the 2002 coup d'etat fled the country and they are not part of the opposition, that was 16 years ago buddy, not 3 months ago. Leave your left vs right, capitalism vs socialism views somewhere else because it doesn't fit on the situation Venezuela is going through.
 

Azure Wanderer

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Yes there is. Odebrecht pretty much confirms that. Lots of the opposition leaders were also part of the 2002 coup d'etat

They're also trying to frame Maduro's 2018 election as illegitimate so there's that
It was illegitimate, he created his own parallel Congress that allowed to move the elections up a few years and make his term longer.

I hope to God you live there and are content under the regime because if you're a bystander admiring from the outside i'lI think of you with disdain everytime I might see the people on my city literally begging for a coin for them to send back to their families for them not to die of starvation or lack of medicines.

Ib4 crisis actors
 

Malleymal

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Wait ... why do this when we have people that we can fight and protect literally across our southern border. We should be reaching out to help get rid of the cartels and bs that makes families run for their lives.

We protect and keep peace in all of these countries far and wide and let our southern neighbors live in hell
 

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U.S has not only invaded South/Central countries but meddled with them a lot too, causing so many internal and regional problems, the U.S was doing this as late as 2000s, in fact I find it funny people mention Clinton in a thread concerning South/Central America considering her awful history with the Honduras coup in 2009 on wards and Haiti...
 

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Violent capitalist opposition? I would advise you to shut the fuck up if you don't know what you are talking about. The situation in Venezuela is fucked beyond belief and families have been broken up, people dying for lack of medication, starvation, this is not your typical crisis. The "leaders" of the 2002 coup d'etat fled the country and they are not part of the opposition, that was 16 years ago buddy, not 3 months ago. Leave your left vs right, capitalism vs socialism views somewhere else because it doesn't fit on the situation Venezuela is going through.
didn't you hear? the capitalist opposition made hugo chavez seize farmers land:

https://youtu.be/YPpcsRYM2ms?t=96
 

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"leaders" of the 2002 coup d'etat fled the country and they are not part of the opposition
Leopoldo Lopez was undoubtedly part of that. So was Henrique Capriles but sure, bud, believe what you want.
Venezuela is fucked beyond belief and families have been broken up, people dying for lack of medication, starvation
It is a crisis, sure but Maduro is working on fixing it. Fact is that reporting in English speaking media has been highly inaccurate in regards to origins and handling of said crisis, as well as in representing the actual conditions.
I'd advise everyone to read sources from outside their bubble.
 

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Great, Donald. Right when Nicolas Maduro and his corrupt dictatorship is at an all-time low in popularity both at home and abroad, you give him this shot in the arm.

And some of this shit is exaggerated. You get non-stop propaganda about governments the US hates. You just have to be way more critical of these reports and anything that comes from the US press about nations with governments the US wants to topple.

Venezuela is a really fucked up dictatorship though, and the corrupt government is entirely to blame. Outside of "non-stop propaganda about governments the US hates," there is truth to this. Don't play Putin and Trump's game: truth exists.

Also, most American liberals gave up on being apologists for the failed dictatorship in Venezuela when Chavez died. Venezuela is a failed petro-dictatorship.

Oh, but that said, I totally don't endorse that other guy's position of bombing or attacking Venezuela. If there's one thing that will prop up Maduro's autocracy, it's American military intervention in Venezuela.

unm, isn't Russia currently backing a lot of shadey shit down there?

Yes, it's so bizarre. Trump has no cogent, coherent foreign policy. His foreign policy positions are whatever segment just ran on Fox News.
 
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