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Nintendo stock down almost 7% after the E3 showcase (down another 5.27% per Tokyo Stock Exchange)
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If Nintendo went up onto an E3 stage and presented that, people would chastise them.
I would not bet on that. GameFreak and The Pokemon Company kind of just do their own thing unrelated to Nintendo's core wishes. You really think that Nintendo did not beg them to make a mainline title on GameCube or Wii U when it was clear how poorly those were going?
They could pretty easily make it a cross-platform release. Hell, they could make the third version of the next Pokemon game exclusive to the Nintendo 3DS' successor as a launch title or something.
My best attempts at what? I don't understand this groupthink that I'm against Nintendo. Again they are my favorite of the big 3. There's a reason I waited all night in line to get a switch...
Really if Nintendo did a Nintendo Direct tomorrow that consisted of them smashing a Switch on the ground, announced all of their Switch games they had in the pipeline and said they were cancelled and then announced 20 games coming to mobile their stock would skyrocket because all they really care about it mobile.
So I'm not sure why people are trying to look for a deeper meaning for this shit. They don't care about Metroid, Bayonetta, Animal Crossing, Mario Maker, F Zero, or any of that stuff. If Nintendo had something to say on Mario Kart Tour I guarantee nothing would've happened and we wouldn't be talking about this.
So I'm not sure why people are trying to look for a deeper meaning for this shit. They don't care about Metroid, Bayonetta, Animal Crossing, Mario Maker, F Zero, or any of that stuff. If Nintendo had something to say on Mario Kart Tour I guarantee nothing would've happened and we wouldn't be talking about this.
If they announced that in the direct, you would have been the first person to scream at them for wasting direct time talking about it.
This is true. As much as I love the Metroid franchise, it's humorous to see people imply in here that THAT of all things would've prevented this lol...
Not at all. Again why do you all think I am so inherently negative? This only comes from other Nintendo fans too.
Best attempts at downplaying any and all success to try to find a way for Nintendo to be failing so you can feel better because this year doesn't have the games you want.
I think you are so inherently negative because that's all you have been posting since before the move.
Investors definitely don't care about video games like Animal Crossing and Mario Maker that could generate a billion each in revenue.
Definitely not...
It's probably because the only thing you ever do is complain about Nintendo, and half the time you're really reaching.
That's exactly what he's doing. He dismissed Nintendo's success with E3 2016 and 2017 with it. Both E3s the consensus is that they nailed, but apparently not.
Yeah, I'm done with this discussion about stock or lineup which isn't going at any place. Good debate for the rest of you all.
To be fair, they've already announced that they were done with BOTW DLC like...3 months ago? Animal Crossing is probably a November Direct if it's comijh 2019.
Running a company based on the short term sentiments of the market is fucking deranged, though. Case in point: people making sweeping assumptions about the medium to long term future of either the Switch or Nintendo as a company based off a single business conference that didn't actually change anything about the company's trajectory besides, maybe, their performance for one holiday season (which will still be massively successful on the back of Smash and Pokemon).
They've already announced 2 Pokemon games. One is coming out this year. This one also had a huge presence at E3. This Pokemon game will probably make more money than both combined. Despite this their stock is still dropping so yeah I'm pretty comfortable in saying investors wouldn't give a shit even if both those games were announced right now.
This year does have games I want though... Ive had smash and let's go Eevee pre-ordered since their announcements...
Doesn't mean everything is perfect though, there were flaws this year like every other year. The good things don't just erase the bad and anyone who claims nintendo "won" the previous 3 e3s has got something strange going on in their mind.
Does Nintendo even gain anything from all this secrecy? What does it help them really?
You don't have to show everything but actively communicating once in a while about a product people *want* to be excited about (investors and gamers alike) is not something that needs to be pushed back upon.
Their new president needs to shape up on this point. It's a dumb strategy that isn't gaining Nintendo anything and actively hurting their stock price and it's easy to fix.
You don't have to show everything but actively communicating once in a while about a product people *want* to be excited about (investors and gamers alike) is not something that needs to be pushed back upon.
Their new president needs to shape up on this point. It's a dumb strategy that isn't gaining Nintendo anything and actively hurting their stock price and it's easy to fix.
While true, people usually try to insinuate that the only their niche title will save the stock market. Still wished they at least announced a 2D Mario title though. Those are usually safe million sellers
Don't bring it up you'll get bannedI was told by multiple people here that Labo was meeting Nintendo's expactions and was doing well around the world.
Imagine my confusion reading that quote in the OP.
Nintendo are happy with it.I was told by multiple people here that Labo was meeting Nintendo's expactions and was doing well around the world.
Imagine my confusion reading that quote in the OP.
Their investors thought it'd do crazy amounts. The investors aren't happy.
I was told by multiple people here that Labo was meeting Nintendo's expactions and was doing well around the world.
Imagine my confusion reading that quote in the OP.
The one that Nintendo said and not the one that an analyst thinks. Simple.
Uh, the new president is like...2, 3 weeks in his new position? How is it his fault?
He's not even a week in his new position.
And they do that, hence Bayonetta, Metroid Prime etc.
Nintendo just want to show the games being at their top form really. Nothing wrong with that.
I'm personally fine with it. I actually get sick of games being announced and it being years and years before anything comes of it. Remember the 2015 Sony announcements people went crazy about? Yeah only 1 is out and the others are still years away. That's not good marketing
I was told by multiple people here that Labo was meeting Nintendo's expactions and was doing well around the world.
Imagine my confusion reading that quote in the OP.
Nintendo is happy with it. A random investor isn't. What's the contradiction?
Furukawa was part of the board of directors of Nintendo for years (just like Kimishima was, which was also NOA president for years) so don't count on a change of strategy when he was an actual part of that strategy and also head of global marketing.
Here his carreer:
- May 2012
- Outside Director of The Pokémon Company (to present)
- July 2015
- General Manager, Corporate Planning Department (to present)
- June 2016
- Director (to present), Managing Executive Officer (to present), Supervisor of Corporate Analysis & Administration Division (to present)
- September 2016
- In charge of Global Marketing Department (to present)
- June 2018
- Representative Director and President
Man you wouldn't find a better place to discuss the impending doom of Nintendo than this topic.
Hope not, I don't want to play Nintendo games on other hardware .
I said I was confused, not that there was any 'contradiction'.
I had no idea this 40 pages long thread was based on some 'random investor' opinion.
In fact, how did we reach 40 pages if there's nothing to debate about ?
You don't seem to understand how organization chart/leadership hierarchy work. The leadership handover isn't down overnight. It's a slow and meticulous process that involve gradual transition/wind-down of vision/direction. There is no doubt that the previous interim president had a lot of input in the launch of switch/botw/mario. This new president seem passive and uncertain, which I think is reflective in the stock price.
I was told by multiple people here that Labo was meeting Nintendo's expactions and was doing well around the world.
Imagine my confusion reading that quote in the OP.
I think there were people expecting Labo to be a physical accessory "big thing" like Guitar Hero, Wii Fit or Kinect. So measuring it against those doesn't make it look good, but I'm sure it's doing well and making money.
I mean their secrecy tactic has been working well with the Switch so far and has been a constant since pre reveal.
Plus as others have mentioned it's unfair to blame the new president when he hasn't even been in the chair for a month.
Finally they have an even easier way to shut up these investors and is probably the real reason why they've been lashing out. Mobile. If they talked about their upcoming mobile releases (Draglia and Mario Kart) they would've been happy and these stock drops would not be happening
Mario Odyssey was not announced in October 2016. A Mario game was shown as part of the Switch reveal but it was not titled and could have been a mock up.
Like I said about Fire Emblem and Yoshi, they were both delayed. They should have been released by now so those don't really count.
The others I will give you. However, now look at every game that was announced and released within a year. That list is much, much, much longer.
Okay, that's a couple of games. Now look at all the games that were announced and released within a year
That's fine, but part of being a new president is looking at things the company isn't doing well enough and improving on those.
This is one of those areas. This is just dumb really, they don't need to hide games all the time, they can be more forthcoming and foster a little more excitement in a product people actually like. It's time they eased up on this silly strategy they have of not saying anything about anything until like 2-6 months before release.
It's extreme. Even Yamauchi's Nintendo did not operate this way. This is now impacting their stock price, at what does it just become ridiculous that a company is so married to the idea of secrecy that they would chose that over their own self interest.
Yeah, I agree. Maybe not related to stock prices, but I'm pretty bummed that most of what the new president said was around mobile, while Kimi made his last comment on the shareholder meeting about new games for the Switch. This is not a good sign for me.
I mean, there's a sentiment that the nintendo e3 direct was terrible, more games could have fixed that.
-Pokémon game for 2019 it's just a yellow remake and not a new game (new games sell more)
-Fire emblem, Yoshi delayed to 2019 and misses holiday season
-New Mario party and new mecha game
And that's it from first party nintendo. Of course stock will drop if after E3 you are expecting less sales than before e3.
The other games have a thing in common that they were done as a form of damage control.
Zelda was announced in a Direct that was pretty much damage control
Pokemon was announced alongside Pokemon Let's Go where half of it's marketing is promising people it's not replacing the mainline games and there's one coming out next year
Metroid Prime 4 was also probably announced to cushion the announcement of Samus Returns being a 3DS exclusive
Bayonetta 3 was announced after the announcement of Bayonetta 1+2 ports and was even lampshaded by Reggie himself at TGA when he said they weren't going to just announce ports there.
Thank you daddy.
But I mean I can only blame Nintendo for this situation, didn't they themselves recently compare it to Nintendo dogs and Wii Fit?
Yes I know the quote is about some miraculous resurrection around the holidays and about it having huge longevity.
But I don't see how the general public is suddenly going to care about it, while being caught in the Pokémon and smash hype.
First of all, than you for calling me Daddy. (giggles)
But, while I don't think Labo met expectations, I think it still has potential for a slow burn. Maybe there will be a new set of plans for the Holidays. I will stay optimistic on Labo because I think it's a cool idea.
But I didn't even buy it, I tired my nephews. So I am part of the problem.
I am not saying that they don't announce a lot of games within a year or even 6 months after their announcement. It's just that they so often break this pattern that it becomes more than a few outliers. The Mario shown in the Switch reveal trailer was the Mexico level from Odyssey and both Fire Emblem and Yoshi would have had to be released by now in order to keep that <1year promise. I find it hard to believe that they were planned to be released in that time.
The point is that they break this rule often enough for me not to really buy it.
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