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BadAss2961

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
3,069
The most exciting thought of the PS5 for me is the idea of playing all PS4 games at higher framerates and resolutions. At least all the major first party games could be patched to do this.

It's easily possible sticking to the architecture, but Sony's kinda iffy when they're on top. lol
 

OG_Thrills

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
4,655
Because a lot of these mid to late gen moves don't manifest in the market until the next system when people are upended from the ecosystem they've invested in. Everyone will take a hard look when they ask people to spend another $400-500.

Are you serious?

XBOX here in Europe is a non factor, No momentum, I'm talking less than Zero. No impact on the market. Gamepass doesn't mean shit here. Sony's lineup hasn't even been challenged this generation. XBOX as a platform here is an after thought in the realm of gaming and so I honestly am staggered that people believe BC will some how challenge the goodwill, momentum, and experiences Sony has delivered.

XBOX needs to bring experiences to the fore before they can even begin to think about a momentum shift. BC VS TLOU2 remastered on the PS5 isn't even a fair fight in terms of mindshare.

Outside of NA XB has zero mindshare. And that's something you need to factor in way before BC.
 

Delio

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,468
Nothing will happen. Some will complain but Sony will truck along like normal and we will get remasters of PS4 games. Tho i do expect BC this time around.
 

Rei

Member
Nov 1, 2017
200
Kuala Lumpur
Backwards compatible lol, as if most don't have a PS4 already tho. It's kinda a stupid excuse, when you can just get a cheap old console tho. While true it's nice having it, but my case, I can just boot the old console.

Not like I'm really thinking of getting a PS5 tho next gen. I just think the PS4 current exclusive is sorta lacking, and a PC seems to get most of it now. The selling point will be the exclusive games they get, not backwards compatible feature for me.
 

Clocian

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt account
Banned
Apr 23, 2018
839
Reading Era, you'd think people want services more instead of high quality games if they had to choose...but I digress...
 

KrigareN-

Banned
Dec 13, 2017
2,156
What a fantastic post in the context of this threads.
Did you want me to say that people in South America, large parts of Europe, and all of South East Asia will drop the Playstation in favor of an Xbox if they happen to repeat a PS4 situation?

Cause that is not happening.

I like many don't care for old games on my newest hardware. If I haven't played a game in the generation it released, there's a very good reason why.

Unless BC can magically produce the same upgrade present in SotC Remake, then I'd rather play remakes of gems.
 

Xeontech

Member
Oct 28, 2017
4,059
The internet would complain about it & that's about it
Lol yup.

Super Nintendo, Ps2, Wii, Ps4 none had bc. All won their generations and beyond.

PS3, WiiU, Xbone all have bc, and didn't really do anything spectacular sales wise.

BC is a great addition, but literally means nothing to the mainstream consumer mind share.

I personally think ps5 will have it. But it won't hurt sales much if it doesn't.
 

DigitalOp

Member
Nov 16, 2017
9,292
"But I personally don't care and Era isn't like the world!"

I'm still maintaining the position that pricing will dictate how the next gen starts. I imagine that Sony aims for $400 again and comes ready with a GaaS plan as it will be a major revenue driver.

Selling enhanced versions of PS4 exclusives that are running at true 4K over checkboard 4K would be fucking idiotic. You cannot sell at that. Maybe a remaster at 60fps could work, but it would be an insanely harder sell than some of the PS3 to PS4 upgrades. PS4 is putting out shit like TLoU 2. Diminishing returns are going hard here and create a different situation.

I'm really interested in how the standard generation lines get figured out as they begin to blur. MS will be the main ones to dictate this.

It will be easy for the new systems to check if a last gen game is running on PS5, and download a patch for 4K textures and better performance

But what deems software as something that can omly run on Next Gen? It used to be clean breaks, but now as platforms adopt BC, will it simply be a time thing?

Essentially will a game be considered next gen by when the development began, for example during the first year of PS5, would you make a PS4 game that runs on everything? Or make a PS5 game that immediately has limited sales by lower unit numbers in the wild.

I didn't say anything about Game Pass either (I was quoted with you so I'm not directing this at you haha).

It's a service that will help, but there's a lot of services and features being offered from Microsoft right now that Sony doesn't yet offer that'll be what can matter for next gen.

I like gamepass. It's true value is keeping mulitplayer communities alive in a nice amount of titles. Things like Zombie Army Trilogy and Vermintide 2 make alot of sense and are really healthy decisions.

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I think you guys are really conflating the remaster. Nobody is remastering Death Stranding or God of War even.... Those games and newer ones get patches.

Remasters will be from 360/PS3 and older. Older games that will get the chance for better performance and graphics.
 
Oct 27, 2017
999
I won't really care that much. I mean yeah it would be nice and I would prefer it but it wouldn't keep me from buying one.

Once Catherine releases on PS4 I can retire my PS3 from frequent use.

I can just keep my PS4.
 

Shrennin

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,685
I like gamepass. It's true value is keeping mulitplayer communities alive in a nice amount of titles. Things like Zombie Army Trilogy and Vermintide 2 make alot of sense and are really healthy decisions.

Oh definitely. It cements that populations for multiplayer games should all stay relatively healthy. That actually works alongside backwards compatibility too. It compliments it.
 

SigArthor7

Member
Feb 11, 2018
46
I think for the next generation I've decided that for any multiplatform games, I'll have to suck it up and go back to Xbox. If the whole blocking cross-play still exists then. I'll still get a PS5, but it will only be for exclusive. Maybe.
 
Oct 28, 2017
8,071
2001
Lol yup.

Super Nintendo, "Ps2", "Wii", Ps4 none had bc. All won their generations and beyond.

Are you very sure about that?

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OG_Thrills

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
4,655
What a fantastic post in the context of this threads.

I don't think a lot of people get that point or even factor it into their statements. The idea that BC has an impact beyond the core xbox gamers is questionable. But arguing that it'll affect Sony in any way shape or form outside of NA is mind blowing. Gamers waiting on sequels to exclusives that they fell in love with suddenly being like

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On PS5 launch day in places like Germany, France, Australia, Asian, because the PS5 doesn't let you play The Division from last generation is more comedic than it should be.

To the point where I need to ask a question here: Suppose gamers around the world do decide to forego the experiences they've had with the PS4 console and the anticipation of it's sequels, while also sidestepping the mindshare, and momentum built with that platform... Where do they go for the equivalent?
 

Skeeter49

I wish Jim Ryan would eat me
Member
Oct 25, 2017
17,297
Someone will make an Era thread with a poll asking if they'll buy a PS5 with no BC. The poll will be skewed to "yes I'll still buy one". People will say the polls isn't a representation of how the casual gamer feels. The world will still continue to exist, with a multitude of gamers pissed at Sony, but ultimately giving in to buy a PS5 eventually, proving the point that BC wasn't needed.


BC would be the one thing to get me to buy a PS5 Day 1, if the PS5 lineup is lackluster.
 

BoxManLocke

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,158
France
I don't think it would be a gamechanger, but it would definitely be a huge mistake from Sony and Microsoft would undoubtedly take advantage of that.
People comparing this to previous generations conveniently forget that this gen, plenty of people purchased hundreds of dollars worth of digital games. And that's not just the hardcore audience we're talking about. That was barely a thing for PS3/360. And there's also the massive rise of GaaS.
People could sell out their physical library before when switching to a new gen ; now you expect Sony to tell them to fuck off and say bye to their purchases, and there'd be no tangible repercussions ? Come on. Things have changed.
 

Rosebud

Two Pieces
Member
Apr 16, 2018
43,657
People moving to all digital purchases are going to be pissed if it doesn't carry over.

Yes, that's the big difference between PS4/PS5 and older systems. I'm 100% digital, so I would lose everything without BC or would have to keep my PS4 forever. Having a PS3, 4 and 5 to play al my games is stupid when the rival already have a great solution.
 

sora87

Member
Oct 27, 2017
6,871
I personally wouldn't care, i buy new consoles to play new games. One of the reasons my switch is collecting so much dust right now.
 

KalBalboa

Member
Oct 30, 2017
7,945
Massachusetts
I really hope they include BC in their next console...

One of the major perks of going x86 was having a more conventional architecture to allow for future proofing... It's why I was ok with losing PS3 BC.
 

Clowns

Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,880
Lol yup.

Super Nintendo, Ps2, Wii, Ps4 none had bc. All won their generations and beyond.

PS3, WiiU, Xbone all have bc, and didn't really do anything spectacular sales wise.

BC is a great addition, but literally means nothing to the mainstream consumer mind share.

I personally think ps5 will have it. But it won't hurt sales much if it doesn't.
Wii and PS2 were backwards compatible.
 

Mezoly

Jimbo Replacement
Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,401
I don't know how the market would react, but for me if no BC & no 4k Blu-ray would be a pretty big deal for me. I would certainly consider switching my 3rd party purchases to Xbox. If next Gen Xbox coming out the same year as PS5 then I would purchase that first if no 4k Blu ray and BC.
 

potatohead

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
3,889
Earthbound
Lol yup.

Super Nintendo, Ps2, Wii, Ps4 none had bc. All won their generations and beyond.

PS3, WiiU, Xbone all have bc, and didn't really do anything spectacular sales wise.

BC is a great addition, but literally means nothing to the mainstream consumer mind share.

I personally think ps5 will have it. But it won't hurt sales much if it doesn't.
Ps3 won its generation despite the poor start BTW and yea it lost bc otw but I don't think it is a minimal factor anymore in the growing digital age

Wii was bc with gc

And how did u not add that Ps2 is bc lmao too funny

50 percent of your examples of generation winners have full bc with prior console lol
 

reKon

Member
Oct 25, 2017
13,744
Did you want me to say that people in South America, large parts of Europe, and all of South East Asia will drop the Playstation in favor of an Xbox if they happen to repeat a PS4 situation?

Cause that is not happening.

I like many don't care for old games on my newest hardware. If I haven't played a game in the generation it released, there's a very good reason why.

Unless BC can magically produce the same upgrade present in SotC Remake, then I'd rather play remakes of gems.

I see what you're saying, but NA is still a significant market for Sony and one where there is definitely room for improvement vs Microsoft. They can't afford to lose momuntem that they've built up from this gen going into next.
 

El Bombastico

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
36,062
Sadly, this is the truth. Sony has such a stranglehold on some markets. It's nearly impossible for MS to take.

Sony has a stranglehold on these markets because they actually cater to them unlike MS' "second tier countries" bullshit that proved they don't give a shit about any nation but US/UK.

MS has no one to blame for this but themselves.
 

RedSwirl

Member
Oct 25, 2017
10,066
At the very least it'll make for a bad comparison to Xbox, which will almost certainly be BC next-gen.

That difference has existed before, but I feel like GaaS is gonna make a bigger difference this time around. I think it'll hurt if PS5 launches without Fortnite, Minecraft, Red Dead 2, GTAV, Overwatch, and whatever other GaaS game is really popular on current-gen at the time. These will be games where players have years of purchases and progress they'll want to carry over. What if Sony forces them to pay again for a PS5 version (which probably won't be there at launch) and Microsoft just lets everybody keep playing the same copy they already bought on their new console?

Because a remaster is a lot different when it's an OPTION. You can buy Gears remastered yeah, but you can also just play the gears you already own. You can buy MCC remastered, but you can still put in a Halo disc and play it as well. Also, these remasters you're mentioning are VERY SIGNIFICANT upgrades. Most 'remasters' that other games have gotten are barely some token resolution upgrades. Significant remasters (Like SOTC) will always exist, BC or not.

It's a big difference to say "Hey you can play your old games, and we might do a remaster for something people want" versus "Hey, if you want to play your old game, buy it again, with some token improvements"

Depending on what happens, next-gen could end up actually blurring the line between a remaster and a BC game. There's a real possibility that the next-gen systems could just download upgrade patches for BC games when you insert the disc. It might just be a more significant step up from PS4 Pro and Xbox One X when you really get under the hood. There's a good chance at least Microsoft will do this, and if Sony doesn't it could look bad.

At that point, can you even get away with selling a remaster that just ups the resolution from 1800p to 2160p, maybe improves the textures, adds some lighting effects, and ups the framerate? I feel like PS4 Pro-to-PS5 "remasters" would feel a lot less significant than PS3-to-PS4 remasters. I could understand if it was something on the level of total remakes like Resident Evil 2, Shadow of the Colossus, Crash, or some other game being pulled from at least two console generations in the past. We might reach a point where remasters on consoles are treated like they already are on PC: Simple resolution and asset bumps of games a few years old are either free or sold at significant discount for existing owners, and the only remasters sold at full-price are the ones where at the very least all the art assets are redone from nothing.
 

Anubseth

Member
Jan 10, 2018
109
Did you want me to say that people in South America, large parts of Europe, and all of South East Asia will drop the Playstation in favor of an Xbox if they happen to repeat a PS4 situation?

Cause that is not happening.

I like many don't care for old games on my newest hardware. If I haven't played a game in the generation it released, there's a very good reason why.

Unless BC can magically produce the same upgrade present in SotC Remake, then I'd rather play remakes of gems.

Here in Brazil Sony will screw itself by releasing the console costing $1000 with or without BC. It has been like that on last 2 generations and I don't expect it to change. If the PS4 has any market here is due to the imports and grey market and with Brazil in a deep economic crysis I don't see either of the consoles selling a lot. And people want to play FIFA here, if a console releases with the previous FIFA working it will sell, no matter the brand.
 

TheYanger

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
10,154
Lol yup.

Super Nintendo, Ps2, Wii, Ps4 none had bc. All won their generations and beyond.

PS3, WiiU, Xbone all have bc, and didn't really do anything spectacular sales wise.

BC is a great addition, but literally means nothing to the mainstream consumer mind share.

I personally think ps5 will have it. But it won't hurt sales much if it doesn't.

PS2 back compat was one of the single biggest selling points of the console, you kiddin rn?
 
Nov 30, 2017
1,563
I would still buy it. No one else puts out the amount of great exclusives they do.

Also, I still have a working PS3 and it's not even hooked up anymore because I used it maybe 4 times after I got the PS4. I tried and even bought a couple Batman games I missed I just couldn't do it.

Give me a PS5 and the new shiny games please.
 
Oct 28, 2017
8,071
2001
Lol yup.

Super Nintendo, Ps2, Wii, Ps4 none had bc. All won their generations and beyond.

PS3, WiiU, Xbone all have bc, and didn't really do anything spectacular sales wise.

BC is a great addition, but literally means nothing to the mainstream consumer mind share.

I personally think ps5 will have it. But it won't hurt sales much if it doesn't.


Below is an example of the ps2 smoothing the original ps1 game, vagrant story.
Clearly backwards compatible.

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StuBurns

Self Requested Ban
Banned
Nov 12, 2017
7,273
Just to note, the Wii did launch with BC, it just dropped it later. Like the PS3.
 

N.Domixis

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
9,208
I'd be pissed for Sony allowing MS free pot shots. Just include and get it over with.

You'd never hear the end of it on twitter for MS PR.
 

Falconbox

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
4,600
Buffalo, NY
I'm sure developers would love backward compatibility too.

Imagine you release a game toward the end of a generation. In the past, once the next console launches the sales of your game are all but totally gone (ie: PS3's Puppeteer).

Now, if backward compatibility existed, you'd never have to worry about that sales dropoff. Much like on Steam, all future players will be able to buy your game on the current hardware. Your game can continually be advertised and featured in Flash Sales without the handcuff that someone would need to boot up their old console to play it.


Much like crossplay, backward compatibility is a move that benefits both the developer and the consumer.
 

Shrennin

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,685
I think Xbox would become the heavy favorite once more!

I never actually anticipated Xbox 360 being the success it was, but that was purely because Sony messed things up at the start with PS3.

However, this is the first time I see Microsoft building something that'll be hard to topple. Particularly if Sony doesn't add some of those features like backwards compatibility.

Microsoft is lacking in one thing that Sony has and that is first party. However, Phil Spencer got control of the budget in September of 2017 and they've moved fast. Microsoft is heavily boosting its first party to be ready for next gen and there are rumors of even more acquisitions. Halo and Gears are also being given the time and budget they need too. Gears is moving in a different direction and Halo is getting a new engine and going with a new art style reminiscent of Bungie's Halo.
 

Jeffrey Guang

Member
Nov 4, 2017
724
Taiwn
Backwards compatible lol, as if most don't have a PS4 already tho. It's kinda a stupid excuse, when you can just get a cheap old console tho. While true it's nice having it, but my case, I can just boot the old console.

And that was the exact problem for PS4 and Xbox One early in this generation. Although PS4 and Xbox One sells like hot cake initially, many hold off for good reasons. Two of the biggest reasons people cited for not buying the then next gen consoles are
  1. Many "old games" still plays, and for some only plays on the old machine. Case in point, GTAV at that time.
  2. Lack of AAA games like GTAV on the new consoles.
If there's no back-compact on PS5 but on the Next Xbox, judging by the current implementation of back-compact on Xbox One, I imagine there will be several outcome.
  1. Xbox Owners who are used to upgrading premium hardware like iPhone buyers will be more willing to buy the new Xbox because the old games will just work on the new one, except being better like for features like the current PS4 Pro and Xbox One X enhancement (imagine the free 60 fps mode of Red Dead 2 on the next XBox).
  2. Some PS4 owners will just wait for the wave of great PS4 exclusives to arrive because they still got old PS4 exclusives to play (and can only play) on PS4.
  3. Fans of GAAS games like Destiny 2, GTAV and Red Dead Redemption 2 might delay their purchase of PS5 because they still need to play those games.
Although I can't say how widespread will the above scenario be, I am willing to bet they will have an impact on the marketing share ratio of the 2 brands. I am very interested to find out.
 
Oct 27, 2017
958
What if I want to keep playing GTAV, Overwatch, Destiny or Fortnite with my friends?

"We have a console for that and it's called PS4"

No way I'm buying a PS5 if I know all my PS4 digital library is going to be locked behind hardware DRM.
 

N.Domixis

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
9,208
I never actually anticipated Xbox 360 being the success it was, but that was purely because Sony messed things up at the start with PS3.

However, this is the first time I see Microsoft building something that'll be hard to topple. Particularly if Sony doesn't add some of those features like backwards compatibility.

Microsoft is lacking in one thing that Sony has and that is first party. However, Phil Spencer got control of the budget in September of 2017 and they've moved fast. Microsoft is heavily boosting its first party to be ready for next gen and there are rumors of even more acquisitions. Halo and Gears are also being given the time and budget they need too. Gears is moving in a different direction and Halo is getting a new engine and going with a new art style reminiscent of Bungie's Halo.
Sony has nothing to worry about, it took them decades to get to were they are, ms won't get there in 2 years in terms of first party.
 

SK4TE

Banned
Nov 26, 2017
3,977
Sadly, this is the truth. Sony has such a stranglehold on some markets. It's nearly impossible for MS to take.
Xbox would need a cheaper price point, be more powerful, no gold required for multiplayer and 5 decent exclusives in the launch year. Halo Infinite, Fable, Forza 8, The Initiative new IP and Ninja Theory new IP all included in Gamepass along with every exclusive from the XB1 included with better performance and graphics.

That mixed with PS5 having no BC and a weak lineup like the PS4 started with could give Xbox a fighting chance.
 

Vilix

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
6,055
Texas
There would be a minor internet meltdown. But once the games start coming things will settle down.